Bunch of guys can be traded as of Dec 14. What's your "shake it up" idea?

[MrMorrill]

Is Noel really who everyone wants this bad? Sully puts up better per 36 stats and his defense hasn't been terrible. If you add Noel and drop Sully you'd lose a bit on the Offensive end for an extra block or two. Is he really worth it?

I think SF is the Celtics weak spot. Jae is great but they need more scoring from that position. Who do they grab? Not sure...

[Vermont Green]

I surprised at all the interest in Kevin Love.  Isn't he showing that he isn't even good enough to be a good number 2 in an contending situation?  Not sure how he would be come someone to build around if we had him here in Boston.

To me, he is not the guy that we sell the farm for.

[D Dub]

Now that the Knicks are settling into the bottom of the east, might be time to gauge Melo interest.   I could see Phil wanting to clear out his 4yr deal & build fresh around Pozingus.   

3-team deal w/ Chicago. 

Celts get Melo
Chicago gets Lee, 16' Minny 1st
NYK gets Noah, Zeller, Bradley + 16' Dal 1st, 16' Phil 2nd, 17' Bos 1st (w/ BK swap rights), 18' BK first.   

That's three firsts, a solid 2-guard on a nice deal, and nice chunk of expiring money for Melo.   I personally would be willing to part with 2 of 3 BK picks so long as we keep this years.   The Knicks should get a pick in the top 10 as is, would now get another mid 1st and an early 2nd this year, and two future 1sts from their crosstown rival.

Chicago gets something for nothing (mid 1st) by dealing Noah for Lee.

For the Celtics dealing AB hurts but also opens up the back court rotation a bit.   I'd look to return Isaiah to the bench role and start rugged defenders like Smart & Jae around Carmelo.

I'd then try and deal Sully for a shooter to open up the front court.  I feel the team really needs to choose between Kelly and Sully so that the other can take the next step.  For me, I'd keep Kelly and start him alongside Amir.    Now all the sudden their is a role for Mickey to play, and we'll be more flexible to go small with another shooter, JJ, Young and Hunter.

Smart, Thomas, Rozier
Crowder, Turner, Hunter
Carmelo, Young
Kelly, Jerebko
Amir, Mickey

Seems like a nice core to add that BK 2016 draftee into...

[PhoSita]

Why would Chicago want to be involved in that trade just to get another big man who can't play next to Pau Gasol?

[D Dub]

Why would Chicago want to be involved in that trade just to get another big man who can't play next to Pau Gasol?

To get a first round pick.   
Same expiring money, same big game experience. 

[D Dub]

Here's another one.  No picks, straight up;

Greg Monroe and Jabari Parker

for

Smart, Sully & Lee

[SparzWizard]

Here's another one.  No picks, straight up;

Greg Monroe and Jabari Parker

for

Smart, Sully & Lee

Milwaukee laughs and hangs up the phone.

[MikeJelly]

Here's another one.  No picks, straight up;

Greg Monroe and Jabari Parker

for

Smart, Sully & Lee

Milwaukee laughs and hangs up the phone.

What happens if you add Brooklyn 2016...

[MikeJelly]

To BOS: Jerebko, Zeller and the Minny First/seconds (its probably gonna be 2 seconds instead)

To NO: Anderson

You might have to sweeten the pot with the Memphis pick instead of the conditional Minny pick but I'd still do it. Anderson would fit great in our system as a shooter and I dont wanna give up on Young.

Why BOS: Consolidates roster space/tightens rotations. Gives us a 27 year old (Same age as IT and ET) great shooter and SF off the bench. Still an expiring contract so we have flexibility.

It's a minor shake up but gives Zeller/Jerebko a good home to possibly continue their careers, rids us of a couple second rounders that we clearly have enough of this year, and gives us at least a one year rental of a guy who can help us make a playoff run. Depending on how the draft goes in June, we might resign him as our continual backup SF if he fits well in Brad's system (which i expect him to).

Most believable worst case with this trade is that he let go of the Minny First Rounder/second rounders for nothing. We still get the same cap space that we wouldve gotten with Zeller and Jerebko so the flexibility is still there.

Why NO: They get draft picks and expiring contracts. Zeller gives them a big that can run and Jerebko (theoretically) gives them a replacement shooter. On the flip side, if they really do suck this bad this year then giving up Anderson could help them tank.

Salaries essentially match up too.

[MikeJelly]

Now that the Knicks are settling into the bottom of the east, might be time to gauge Melo interest.   I could see Phil wanting to clear out his 4yr deal & build fresh around Pozingus.   

3-team deal w/ Chicago. 

Celts get Melo
Chicago gets Lee, 16' Minny 1st
NYK gets Noah, Zeller, Bradley + 16' Dal 1st, 16' Phil 2nd, 17' Bos 1st (w/ BK swap rights), 18' BK first.   

That's three firsts, a solid 2-guard on a nice deal, and nice chunk of expiring money for Melo.   I personally would be willing to part with 2 of 3 BK picks so long as we keep this years.   The Knicks should get a pick in the top 10 as is, would now get another mid 1st and an early 2nd this year, and two future 1sts from their crosstown rival.

Chicago gets something for nothing (mid 1st) by dealing Noah for Lee.

For the Celtics dealing AB hurts but also opens up the back court rotation a bit.   I'd look to return Isaiah to the bench role and start rugged defenders like Smart & Jae around Carmelo.

I'd then try and deal Sully for a shooter to open up the front court.  I feel the team really needs to choose between Kelly and Sully so that the other can take the next step.  For me, I'd keep Kelly and start him alongside Amir.    Now all the sudden their is a role for Mickey to play, and we'll be more flexible to go small with another shooter, JJ, Young and Hunter.

Smart, Thomas, Rozier
Crowder, Turner, Hunter
Carmelo, Young
Kelly, Jerebko
Amir, Mickey

Seems like a nice core to add that BK 2016 draftee into...

So you wanna give up TWO Brooklyn picks, the Dallas 1st, the Minny 1st, and AB for Melo? I'm not gonna be rude because some people absolutely love Melo but I just think thats a bit too much for a 31 year old Volume scorer. If you took out one of the Brooklyn picks and Smart showed he could contribute offensively then I would consider it... sad to part with AB though (tear streams down cheek)

[D Dub]

Now that the Knicks are settling into the bottom of the east, might be time to gauge Melo interest.   I could see Phil wanting to clear out his 4yr deal & build fresh around Pozingus.   

3-team deal w/ Chicago. 

Celts get Melo
Chicago gets Lee, 16' Minny 1st
NYK gets Noah, Zeller, Bradley + 16' Dal 1st, 16' Phil 2nd, 17' Bos 1st (w/ BK swap rights), 18' BK first.   

That's three firsts, a solid 2-guard on a nice deal, and nice chunk of expiring money for Melo.   I personally would be willing to part with 2 of 3 BK picks so long as we keep this years.   The Knicks should get a pick in the top 10 as is, would now get another mid 1st and an early 2nd this year, and two future 1sts from their crosstown rival.

Chicago gets something for nothing (mid 1st) by dealing Noah for Lee.

For the Celtics dealing AB hurts but also opens up the back court rotation a bit.   I'd look to return Isaiah to the bench role and start rugged defenders like Smart & Jae around Carmelo.

I'd then try and deal Sully for a shooter to open up the front court.  I feel the team really needs to choose between Kelly and Sully so that the other can take the next step.  For me, I'd keep Kelly and start him alongside Amir.    Now all the sudden their is a role for Mickey to play, and we'll be more flexible to go small with another shooter, JJ, Young and Hunter.

Smart, Thomas, Rozier
Crowder, Turner, Hunter
Carmelo, Young
Kelly, Jerebko
Amir, Mickey

Seems like a nice core to add that BK 2016 draftee into...

So you wanna give up TWO Brooklyn picks, the Dallas 1st, the Minny 1st, and AB for Melo? I'm not gonna be rude because some people absolutely love Melo but I just think thats a bit too much for a 31 year old Volume scorer. If you took out one of the Brooklyn picks and Smart showed he could contribute offensively then I would consider it... sad to part with AB though (tear streams down cheek)

Considering, of all those picks, we'd keep the 16' Bk pick -- certainly.  We have too many solid young players as-is to draft another five first rounders in the next two season.   

We are in a unique position to consolidate some of that young talent without really sacrificing our depth.  I can only assume Carmelo is on a very short list of players for whom Ainge would be willing to make such a move.  Not only is he that go-to scorer we lack, but he fits a position of need. 

[CFAN38]

I would love to see a 3-1 trade happen that makes this team better in the short term and the long term the problem is I just don't see one happening.

I could see maybe something like Lee + Young + Dallas pick +2 2nds for Noah

I also expect Zeller to be moved for a something rather then losing him to FA

[chilidawg]

Now that the Knicks are settling into the bottom of the east, might be time to gauge Melo interest.   I could see Phil wanting to clear out his 4yr deal & build fresh around Pozingus.   

3-team deal w/ Chicago. 

Celts get Melo
Chicago gets Lee, 16' Minny 1st
NYK gets Noah, Zeller, Bradley + 16' Dal 1st, 16' Phil 2nd, 17' Bos 1st (w/ BK swap rights), 18' BK first.   

That's three firsts, a solid 2-guard on a nice deal, and nice chunk of expiring money for Melo.   I personally would be willing to part with 2 of 3 BK picks so long as we keep this years.   The Knicks should get a pick in the top 10 as is, would now get another mid 1st and an early 2nd this year, and two future 1sts from their crosstown rival.

Chicago gets something for nothing (mid 1st) by dealing Noah for Lee.

For the Celtics dealing AB hurts but also opens up the back court rotation a bit.   I'd look to return Isaiah to the bench role and start rugged defenders like Smart & Jae around Carmelo.

I'd then try and deal Sully for a shooter to open up the front court.  I feel the team really needs to choose between Kelly and Sully so that the other can take the next step.  For me, I'd keep Kelly and start him alongside Amir.    Now all the sudden their is a role for Mickey to play, and we'll be more flexible to go small with another shooter, JJ, Young and Hunter.

Smart, Thomas, Rozier
Crowder, Turner, Hunter
Carmelo, Young
Kelly, Jerebko
Amir, Mickey

Seems like a nice core to add that BK 2016 draftee into...

So you wanna give up TWO Brooklyn picks, the Dallas 1st, the Minny 1st, and AB for Melo? I'm not gonna be rude because some people absolutely love Melo but I just think thats a bit too much for a 31 year old Volume scorer. If you took out one of the Brooklyn picks and Smart showed he could contribute offensively then I would consider it... sad to part with AB though (tear streams down cheek)

Considering, of all those picks, we'd keep the 16' Bk pick -- certainly.  We have too many solid young players as-is to draft another five first rounders in the next two season.   

We are in a unique position to consolidate some of that young talent without really sacrificing our depth.  I can only assume Carmelo is on a very short list of players for whom Ainge would be willing to make such a move.  Not only is he that go-to scorer we lack, but he fits a position of need.

I'm hoping that Ainge has no interest in Carmelo.  He's shooting 41% overall and 34% from 3, which is worse than Crowder.  When scoring is your main skill and you're inefficient at it, and you get paid boatloads, that makes for a rather unattractive package.

[ssspence]

Simple, real-world deals I'd do:

1) Zeller for Plumlee

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=zrqud7c

2) Zeller & Philly 2016 2nd for Oubre

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=q8t2o93

3) Rozier for Covington

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=h5vymdc

4) Zeller for Nogueira

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=p9mvfxv

5) Zeller for Jeff Withey

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6) Zeller & Jerebko for Jamal Crawford; Cs use open roster spot to sign Jonathan Holmes

(not available until tomorrow)

[D Dub]

3 way deal with Philly and Brooklyn.  We know both teams need work, are likely to do something before the deadline.  In Brooklyn's case, it's be nice to shed some long term salary to preparation for the offseason.  Philly, they need to get better and address the on-court fit of their front court players.

Boston gets Thad Young, Joel Embiid
Philly gets Bradley, Jerebko, Rozier + 2016 Bos 1st, 2016 Dal 1st, 2016 Min 1st, 2018 BKL 1st
Nets gets Noel & Sully

First off, if Philly doesn't feel this is enough of a return for two of their blue chip players, then I'd be happy to swap in the 2016 BK pick so long as they swap Okafor for Embiid.  Fact is, I don't see them getting this kind of combo of quality vets and relevant picks from any other trading partner.  That's FOUR first round picks along with three good/young rotation players.  Bradley could step in and immediately change the identity of that locker room in the positive direction, end up being the Cap't of that team.  Jerebko is another solid pro they could use in their rotation.  Most importantly, they free up the front court rotation to go small.  And I wouldn't be surprised at all if Rozier ends up taking the starting pg role in that situation.  Fabulous package for Philly, one of its kind available pre-deadline.

For the Nets, Thad Young is still quite talented, but is also on an expensive 4yr deal and not moving the needle.  Billy King should get GM of the year if we can take back less money in an exchange for Noel and Sully.  Both are the types of guys Nets need to put themselves in position to sign this offseason if they are ever to turn themselves around.  They would push hard for this kind of deal, I'd imagine.

The Celt's end up with a nice upgrade to our SF/PF position and take an expensive flyer on Embiid.  Like I said, so long as we keep the 2016 BK pick, I think its worth the risk because coming along with him is an impact player (Young) who fits right in with the identity of this team.  This kind of lineup would be Lebron's worst nightmare in the playoffs. 

Smart \ Thomas
Crowder \ Turner
Thad Young
Kelly \ Mickey
Amir \ Lee 

And then next year, we add Embiid and a lotto pick -- which could really make things interesting.  We also keep all our 2nd rounder's and the 2017 BK pick swap, while preserving 2016 cap space for a run at Durant.