Bunch of guys can be traded as of Dec 14. What's your "shake it up" idea?

[chambers]

Only top 20 guy that could possibly be available would be Love, and that's if things get bad towards the playoffs, so I don't think any moves happen right now. Lebron needs all the help he can get and they aren't getting anyone close to K Love back in any kind of trade.

Problem with a Kevin Love trade is that they probably don't want the Brooklyn pick either given their contender status.
You could send them the pick and perhaps Lebron could mentor Simmons but they'd want contributors right away like Olynyk, Sully, Bradley etc..

Perhaps they'd entertain something like
Bradley
Dallas pick
future Brooklyn pick
Amir Johnson

for Kevin Love, but only if it was getting messy/bad in Cleveland.

I'd really love to keep Bradley but there's nothing else that we have, that they'd want.

[max215]

Only top 20 guy that could possibly be available would be Love, and that's if things get bad towards the playoffs, so I don't think any moves happen right now. Lebron needs all the help he can get and they aren't getting anyone close to K Love in any kind of trade.

Problem with a Kevin Love trade is that they probably don't want the Brooklyn pick either given their contender status.
You could send them the pick and perhaps Lebron could mentor Simmons but they'd want contributors right away like Olynyk, Sully, Bradley etc..

Perhaps they'd entertain something like
Bradley
Dallas pick
future Brooklyn pick
Amir Johnson

for Kevin Love, but only if it was getting messy/bad in Cleveland.

I'd really love to keep Bradley but there's nothing else that we have, that they'd want.

I think Love is definitely a decent target as I don't see him playing out his deal in Cleveland. I also agree that they're probably not interested in the Brooklyn Pick; they need depth and cost-controlled players. Something like:

KO, Bradley, Hunter, Mavs Pick, Celts Pick (Top 10 protected) for Love and flotsam.

[tarheelsxxiii]

But you gotta think that any team that's a willing trade partner, with Ainge calling first, is going to want a BKN pick. It'd be crazy not to ask for it. With DA as the aggressor in any trade, and the other team knowing how desperate we are for a star, I think we'd be hard pressed to pull off something big without the inclusion of one or more of those picks.

[MBunge]

As we saw with Charlotte at the draft, it doesn't matter what the offer is if the other team doesn't want to trade.  So the question is who is going to be looking to deal.

The likely trade partners would seem to be:

1.  Knicks.  If they're sub .500 around the All Star break, Melo should be available for relatively little.  Expiring salaries and the 2017 and 2018 Brooklyn picks might do it.

2.  Kings.  Probably hate the idea of starting over again but could be tempted with some combination of players, the 2016 Nets pick and a couple of our lesser first rounders.

3.  Nets.  Lopez for the 2017 and 2018 Nets picks.  Heck, they might trade Lopez and Thad for that.

4.  Lakers.  Hibbert should be gettable for some of our expiring contracts and the Dallas pick.

5.  Orlando.  Might be interested in swapping one of their rookie contract wings for one of our rookie contract bigs.

Mike

[saltlover]

As we saw with Charlotte at the draft, it doesn't matter what the offer is if the other team doesn't want to trade.  So the question is who is going to be looking to deal.

The likely trade partners would seem to be:

1.  Knicks.  If they're sub .500 around the All Star break, Melo should be available for relatively little.  Expiring salaries and the 2017 and 2018 Brooklyn picks might do it.

2.  Kings.  Probably hate the idea of starting over again but could be tempted with some combination of players, the 2016 Nets pick and a couple of our lesser first rounders.

3.  Nets.  Lopez for the 2017 and 2018 Nets picks.  Heck, they might trade Lopez and Thad for that.

4.  Lakers.  Hibbert should be gettable for some of our expiring contracts and the Dallas pick.

5.  Orlando.  Might be interested in swapping one of their rookie contract wings for one of our rookie contract bigs.

Mike

I'm glad you're not Ainge.  Hibbert for the Dallas pick? The Lakers got him for a 2nd rounder over the summer, and he's performed pretty much the same as the last two years.  Lopez for two unprotected firsts?  No thanks.  I think you're undervaluing the value of picks pretty significantly.

[Monkhouse]

Only top 20 guy that could possibly be available would be Love, and that's if things get bad towards the playoffs, so I don't think any moves happen right now. Lebron needs all the help he can get and they aren't getting anyone close to K Love back in any kind of trade.

Problem with a Kevin Love trade is that they probably don't want the Brooklyn pick either given their contender status.
You could send them the pick and perhaps Lebron could mentor Simmons but they'd want contributors right away like Olynyk, Sully, Bradley etc..

Perhaps they'd entertain something like
Bradley
Dallas pick
future Brooklyn pick
Amir Johnson

for Kevin Love, but only if it was getting messy/bad in Cleveland.

I'd really love to keep Bradley but there's nothing else that we have, that they'd want.

I would trade Bradley/KO/Dallas Pick/Future Brooklyn pick and Amir for Love any day...

I know people like Bradley, and Amir for defensive purposes. But with the plethora of assets, getting a rim protector next to Love would still be feasible.

I have a feeling Melo and Cousins will be on the trade block by the trade deadline or in the summer.

[tazzmaniac]

As we saw with Charlotte at the draft, it doesn't matter what the offer is if the other team doesn't want to trade.  So the question is who is going to be looking to deal.

The likely trade partners would seem to be:

1.  Knicks.  If they're sub .500 around the All Star break, Melo should be available for relatively little.  Expiring salaries and the 2017 and 2018 Brooklyn picks might do it.

2.  Kings.  Probably hate the idea of starting over again but could be tempted with some combination of players, the 2016 Nets pick and a couple of our lesser first rounders.

3.  Nets.  Lopez for the 2017 and 2018 Nets picks.  Heck, they might trade Lopez and Thad for that.

4.  Lakers.  Hibbert should be gettable for some of our expiring contracts and the Dallas pick.

5.  Orlando.  Might be interested in swapping one of their rookie contract wings for one of our rookie contract bigs.

Mike

Melo has a no trade clause and I doubt he'd agree to be traded to us.  He'd probably only want to go to the Lakers or the Bulls.  I'd definitely make that deal for Cousins.  I wouldn't want Lopez or Hibbert. 

[celticsclay]

Neeeerliiiiins

[SHAQATTACK]

Neeeerliiiiins

I hope he forces his way off the team .  It's obvious body language etc .....he is not happy , while the Celtics ...a team he is know to admire is actually starting to move back up,the ladder of success . 

I'm kinda hoping Emiid returns .....it will only help make Noel decision easier .

[ssspence]

Trade #1 - David Lee's expiring, Evan Turner, James Young, Brooklyn's unprotected 2016 1st, and some other picks... for Kevin Love.   I covered this in the "how good would we be with Kevin Love right now" thread: http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=81669.msg1990189#msg1990189  ... I'm not going to be stunned if Love is moved this year.  I am convinced he signed as part of a handshake agreement and they'll move him if ultimately he's not happy with his long-term role on the team. 

Trade #2 - Sully, Rozier, Sota 1st (most likely two 2nds) for Nerlens Noel.   As covered in this thread:  http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=81658.0  I don't even think Philly would do it, but I'm throwin it out there.  Sully is a better fit next to Okafor.  Rozier gives them a PG. 


Trade #3 - Amir's expiring, Jerebko and Dallas 1st, some 2nds for Tobias Harris.    Orlando is paying a hell of a lot of money (16 mil) for a player who I'm not sure they even wanted to retain.   They get to clear out some money, get a 1st rounder, free up minutes for Gordon/Hezonja and have a couple vets that can help them this year.

I'm not doing Deal 1. Too much for Love -- balky knees, poor defender, poor fit for Brad's offense, etc. I just think you move on from Love, and wait for a better deal / player to come along. He's not a guy who puts us over the top.

You're not giving up enough in Deal 2. Doubtful the Sixers want Sully (disagree on his fit), and they have zero need for more 2nd round picks. You've got to build a better package for Noel. I'll ask again: would you trade Smart for him straight up?

Same on Deal 3. Yes, Orlando signed Harris in part (just as CLE did with Love) to avoid losing him for nothing. But Harris is good -- there's zero indication that ORL wishes to dump him. You'll have to part with more meaningful assets than 1 pick in the 20s to get him.

[GC003332]

Ainge should try and shake down the Suns or Pelicans , see if they are willing to give up a first rounder this season for a package based around Sullinger and Zeller if he is not going to pay them, help give them a boost to their seasons, could be a great asset to move up in the draft along with helping New Orleans finish with a better record than Brooklyn along with making it tougher for the Mavs to maintain a playoff birth in the west.

[Evantime34]

I really like the OP's trade targets.

I would do each of the deals he listed individually. My issue is that doing all 3 at once uses pretty much all our assets. I would still like to keep some young talent and draft picks so the team can continue to grow and isn't capped by these trades.

Question on Noel. Does his trade value take a hit, because the Sixers have often preferred to close games with Okafor and not him? I know people are really high on him, but if he is really just a back up for the Sixers is it necessary to pay the farm for him? (I don't think the OP's idea is paying the farm but most have said that isn't enough for Noel)

As to whether the other team would accept?
1. The Cavs are trying to win right now, there is no chance they trade Love away unless they are giving up on their current group. This could be a possibility in the offseason but I don't see it now.

2. Value wise I think the Sixers move is fair. However, I don't see the Sixers wanting to bring back a big as the main piece in any deal for Noel. They already have lots of front court players. I could see this deal making sense if the C's could convince a third team to take Sullinger, and have that team send a pick and a young guard to Philly. I think Noel will get traded in the offseason when Colangelo attempts to turn the Sixers assets into a team.

3. The Harris deal is plausible, especially if Aaron Gordon shows he needs playing time.

[Moranis]

How about this massive crazy and totally unrealistic, yet realistic trade (i.e. the components seem like reasonable value but it would never happen)

IN
Boston - Cousins, Hibbert
New York - Lee, Zeller, Kelly (filler), BKN 2016 1st, DAL 2016 1st
Sacramento - Russell, Randle
LA - Anthony, Bradley

OUT
Boston - Lee, Zeller, Bradley, BKN 2016 1st, DAL 2016 1st
New York - Anthony
Sacramento - Cousins
LA - Russell, Randle, Kelly, Hibbert

So Boston picks up a defensive center and a monster PF.  Gives up its most valuable asset (BKN pick), another 1st, and Bradley.

New York goes full on rebuilding by trading Anthony.  Picks up the BKN 1st to pair with its own pick which will be a better pick, plus the Dallas 1st for some more depth.  Clear rebuilding and build around Porzingis type trade.

LA gives up its two young pieces, but picks up a star to bridge the gap in the post-Kobe era.  Bradley is a nice solid compliment to Clarkson and Melo going forward.  LA likely loses its own pick in this trade, but has a shot at the playoffs (they surprisingly aren't that far back as the west hasn't been that good except for the two teams at the top).

Sacto gets out of the Cousins business and picks up two recent high level prospects in the process to pair with WCS. 

In a vacuum I think this trade is reasonable for all four teams, but as I said it will never happen.

[arctic 3.0]

as fun (and work procrastination enabling) as trade season is I really think we need to sit tight for the time being.
This team is playing at a much higher level than the individual parts would suggest and the players we have are more valuable as a whole than as individual trade pieces.

While it would be exciting  to bring in Harris, Gallo, or Noel I'm not sure the team would improve  enough to justify the move and loss of future flexibility.

We have three or four bright young prospects who are getting limited to no minutes but  may be able to play the role these players would fill.

-Noel would bring shot blocking: Mickey brings that with more offense

-Gallo spaces the floor and could be a average number 1 option. Young and Hunter both space the floor and Young has shown the potential to be as viable an offensive option.

-Harris is a skilled swing forward who plays d and could be an "average number 1 option. Young has the length and strength to play lock down D and has shown amazing improvement in both awareness and defensive hustle. he has the scorers mentality and stroke to be as good as harris. Hunter is a better distributor already than harris, has a better 3 point shot and is a smart defender.

our young guns are not there yet but I feel no urgency to shake things up.
While the team is rolling I'd prefer to wait and see what young, hunter and mickey bring to the table.

If we stay on pace we'll net ~47 wins. IMO we are ahead of schedule with the rebuild and are essentially playing with free money this year.
would hate to cash in chips  to bring in players who we may already have.

IMO we hold our cards, wait to see what they are worth and only move when we know exactly what pieces are needed to put us over the top.

[mef730]

Love the Orlando trade, but don't think we could pull it off at that price. Too much upside for Harris.

Neeeerliiiiins

I hope he forces his way off the team .  It's obvious body language etc .....he is not happy , while the Celtics ...a team he is know to admire is actually starting to move back up,the ladder of success . 

I'm kinda hoping Emiid returns .....it will only help make Noel decision easier .

I haven't really seen it, but those guys who have an "I'm gonna mope because I don't like it here" attitude make me nervous. Not saying enough that I wouldn't trade for him, but the best thing he could do for himself would be to work his butt off and increase his value.

Mike