Lowe on the C's

[TheTruthFot18]

We just don't need Eric Gordon he's a two guard. Smart looks good at the two, so does Bradley, Hunter, Rozier plays like a shooting guard, and that's Young's position too.

while I like Smart a lot and AB has looked better this year, I think we can still upgrade at the 2.  I don't see Gordon as that upgrade though because his D is average at best. 

Smart has not looked good at the 2 spot this year.  Call me old-fashioned but I think a SG (2) should, you know, actually be able to shoot.

Like Tony Allen? You can have a defensive stopper in your starting lineup at any position. Although our lineup would probably be better all around if Crowder was that stopper and we had a 2 guard to shoot.

[Hemingway]

4 pages in and no one has mentioned Zeller. He belongs in the NBA and at this point it seems like he will never resign here. Why not trade him? Lee too.

Zeller, Lee, Young and the rookies and all the picks except nets ones (unless we are getting KG or DMC), Maybe add Sully to that list too.

How about Melo? We could have:

IT
Smart/AB
Crowder
Melo
Amir

That would go along with our get better step by step plan

[slamtheking]

We just don't need Eric Gordon he's a two guard. Smart looks good at the two, so does Bradley, Hunter, Rozier plays like a shooting guard, and that's Young's position too.

while I like Smart a lot and AB has looked better this year, I think we can still upgrade at the 2.  I don't see Gordon as that upgrade though because his D is average at best. 

Smart has not looked good at the 2 spot this year.  Call me old-fashioned but I think a SG (2) should, you know, actually be able to shoot.

Like Tony Allen? You can have a defensive stopper in your starting lineup at any position. Although our lineup would probably be better all around if Crowder was that stopper and we had a 2 guard to shoot.

agree on Crowder.  It's one thing to have a defensive stopper as a wing but the other wing slot needs to be able to score consistantly.  We also don't have any other players on the roster besides IT and Turner that can consistantly create their own shots which doesn't help.  With a bunch of players that need to be fed/set up, we could really use a PG that was a top facilitator as well.   
Hunter and Rozier could hopefully address that issue as early as next year.  If we can get a scoring SF in this year's draft with that Brooklyn pick, C's will definitely be on the upswing.

TA wasn't much of a shooter but he was developing into a solid scorer prior to blowing out his knee.

[Big333223]

4 pages in and no one has mentioned Zeller. He belongs in the NBA and at this point it seems like he will never resign here. Why not trade him? Lee too.

Yeah, if Zeller isn't going to be part of the rotation, I think he's good trade bait. He showed some nice signs last season and this season just can't get minutes on this roster. I think there are teams out there who need a solid backup center with his skills. Packaging Zeller a couple other players to bring back and impact guy makes sense.

[BDeCosta26]

BOS: Tyler Zeller, James Young, 2016 Boston 1st (or DAL 1st if necessary)

DEN: Danilo Gallinari

That's how we add an impact guy who fits what we need and we lose almost none of our current roster. Zeller is still a pretty good player, and I bet they'd love anyone not named JJ Hickson to be there back-up C going forward. He would fit really well here, he'd give us another go-to scoring presence and he's locked up on a reasonable deal. I think that's the kinda thing Lowe is talking about. Impact players aren't necessarily stars.

[PhoSita]

BOS: Tyler Zeller, James Young, 2016 Boston 1st (or DAL 1st if necessary)

DEN: Danilo Gallinari

That's how we add an impact guy who fits what we need and we lose almost none of our current roster. Zeller is still a pretty good player, and I bet they'd love anyone not named JJ Hickson to be there back-up C going forward. He would fit really well here, he'd give us another go-to scoring presence and he's locked up on a reasonable deal. I think that's the kinda thing Lowe is talking about. Impact players aren't necessarily stars.

I agree, I think this is the sort of thing he's talking about.

[arctic 3.0]

BOS: Tyler Zeller, James Young, 2016 Boston 1st (or DAL 1st if necessary)

DEN: Danilo Gallinari

That's how we add an impact guy who fits what we need and we lose almost none of our current roster. Zeller is still a pretty good player, and I bet they'd love anyone not named JJ Hickson to be there back-up C going forward. He would fit really well here, he'd give us another go-to scoring presence and he's locked up on a reasonable deal. I think that's the kinda thing Lowe is talking about. Impact players aren't necessarily stars.

I like but don't see Denver biting

[Big333223]

BOS: Tyler Zeller, James Young, 2016 Boston 1st (or DAL 1st if necessary)

DEN: Danilo Gallinari

That's how we add an impact guy who fits what we need and we lose almost none of our current roster. Zeller is still a pretty good player, and I bet they'd love anyone not named JJ Hickson to be there back-up C going forward. He would fit really well here, he'd give us another go-to scoring presence and he's locked up on a reasonable deal. I think that's the kinda thing Lowe is talking about. Impact players aren't necessarily stars.

I like but don't see Denver biting

Me neither. Denver would almost certainly want more than that. I would.

[Lucky17]

BOS: Tyler Zeller, James Young, 2016 Boston 1st (or DAL 1st if necessary)

DEN: Danilo Gallinari

That's how we add an impact guy who fits what we need and we lose almost none of our current roster. Zeller is still a pretty good player, and I bet they'd love anyone not named JJ Hickson to be there back-up C going forward. He would fit really well here, he'd give us another go-to scoring presence and he's locked up on a reasonable deal. I think that's the kinda thing Lowe is talking about. Impact players aren't necessarily stars.

This includes Lee going out as well, I assume?

[Greyman]

Thread has been an interesting read though I don't think Lowe told us anything we don't know or DA hasn't more or less said. We want impact player/players and have a deep squad and assets to trade without weakening what we have. Recently saw a quote from DA saying he was waiting for the right player but would be looking at any major impact player/ star who became available.

What underlines a lot of this approach though is that the present 'deep and talented' squad need to keep producing, getting wins against playoff teams and highlighting CBS as a coach. When the time to deal comes it will be the assets that are staying to help attract the impact player/s that are most important. The outgoing players/pics will obviously have value but not take away something that can't be covered.

I like Smart a lot but with IT, AB, ET and Rozier (when he develops), you might trade a defensive dynamo who might start hitting more shots and develop as a ball handler. Smart has great attitude, but so do all of those guys. I think he probably gets better but can't be sure how much. I'm not saying trade Smart, just suggesting a way you might put value in a trade and not weaken yourself.

I imagine some see Smart as one of the assets that will attract other players here, when I look through the Celtics' roster I see players you want to keep but find it hard to name a player who is a must keep to attract other players and who we don't have cover for. I think IT is the closest to being that.

[BDeCosta26]

BOS: Tyler Zeller, James Young, 2016 Boston 1st (or DAL 1st if necessary)

DEN: Danilo Gallinari

That's how we add an impact guy who fits what we need and we lose almost none of our current roster. Zeller is still a pretty good player, and I bet they'd love anyone not named JJ Hickson to be there back-up C going forward. He would fit really well here, he'd give us another go-to scoring presence and he's locked up on a reasonable deal. I think that's the kinda thing Lowe is talking about. Impact players aren't necessarily stars.

This includes Lee going out as well, I assume?

For salaries sake? Yeah, or Jerebko. Might see him as a better fit for them and he's non-guaranteed going into next year.

Denver may want a little more than that. Maybe Hunter/Rozier/Mickey instead of Young they'd try for. Maybe an additional 1st or something, but I'd think it's clear both Smart and the 2016 Brooklyn pick would be off limits for now in a Gallo deal. Say it's Zeller, Young, Lee, the 2016 Dallas 1st and the 2018 Boston 1st (Top-10 protected) for Gallo, would you want to do that? Denver gets a good long term back-up at C, an SF prospect with upside to fill the bench role behind Chandler and Barton, a likely 12-17 pick and a hopefully 20-or-later pick in 2018 to add to the better of their own/the Knicks pick and their good young core. I think that's a pretty fair deal.

Who else do you guys think he'd be talking about?

[oldtype]

BOS: Tyler Zeller, James Young, 2016 Boston 1st (or DAL 1st if necessary)

DEN: Danilo Gallinari

That's how we add an impact guy who fits what we need and we lose almost none of our current roster. Zeller is still a pretty good player, and I bet they'd love anyone not named JJ Hickson to be there back-up C going forward. He would fit really well here, he'd give us another go-to scoring presence and he's locked up on a reasonable deal. I think that's the kinda thing Lowe is talking about. Impact players aren't necessarily stars.

I like but don't see Denver biting

Don't know why Denver wouldn't bite on this to be honest. Gallo's nothing more than a really good starter and probably isn't young enough to be part of their next contending team. Obviously in the real world teams get attached to their own players for all sorts of reasons, but if this were a video game and I was the Denver GM then I would probably do that trade.

It's essentially the same as what we did with Jeff Green. Gallo is a better player than Green, but we didn't get Tyler Zeller from Memphis and that first rounder won't convey until the distant future.

[chambers]

BOS: Tyler Zeller, James Young, 2016 Boston 1st (or DAL 1st if necessary)

DEN: Danilo Gallinari

That's how we add an impact guy who fits what we need and we lose almost none of our current roster. Zeller is still a pretty good player, and I bet they'd love anyone not named JJ Hickson to be there back-up C going forward. He would fit really well here, he'd give us another go-to scoring presence and he's locked up on a reasonable deal. I think that's the kinda thing Lowe is talking about. Impact players aren't necessarily stars.

This is a realistic and solid idea.

The thing is, this team is predicated around it's defensive toughness.
If Gallinari comes in, he replaces Crowder as our starting SF and we immediately lose our defensive identity.
If Gallo comes to the C's, then IT needs to go to the bench, or Crowder goes to the bench.
You can't have IT and Gallo with just Smart and and Amir out there as the two defensive beasts.

The guy that comes in is going to fit our scheme of defense, loads of three point shots and heavy ball movement.

Gallinari, although a great player who we could- as you highlight- get for basically nothing, doesn't fit that defensive identity. He's also paid 17 million a year and I can't see Danny giving up that cap room because Gallo would be signed until 2018 (this year, next season and the season after).

[chambers]

Also, I love how people are worried about Eric Gordon's injury history but have no second thoughts about Gallinari's knees. He's averaged 50 games a year over his career. If you remove his completely missed season from knee injury from that total he's averaged 59 games a year...
Just an observation.

[JSD]

Let's connect some dots.

Noah?