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Re: Lowe on the C's
« Reply #30 on: November 19, 2015, 04:29:09 PM »

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Re: Lowe on the C's
« Reply #31 on: November 19, 2015, 04:31:00 PM »

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  I mean, Toronto is currently hovering around the 8th seed... DeMar DeRozan for the unprotected Brooklyn pick... who says no at this point?

Right, it makes complete sense for the Celts to trade a potential top 5 pick for half a season of Demar Derozan.

Why are you so eager to peddle that pick for a meager deal in every thread?

It's the Celtics' pick so it loses -10 points in value for Lar.  :P JK, Lar, but it's okay to start turning the optimistic shades on!

Demar, Rudy Gay, and Marc Gasol are not anywhere close in value to a top 5 pick in this draft considering the hype Simmons, Ingram, Bender, Skal, and Jaylen are getting. If the Celtics trade the 16 BKN pick for a player of the level of those three listed, we will need to have a serious conversation about Ainge, haha.

I mean, I'd probably trade the pick for Marc Gasol age 31-35, even if he is already on the decline, just because I like Marc Gasol a lot and I think he'd be amazing in Brad's system.  But I do not for a second think Memphis would consider that.


Rudy Gay is a resounding no thank you.
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Re: Lowe on the C's
« Reply #32 on: November 19, 2015, 04:37:03 PM »

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  I mean, Toronto is currently hovering around the 8th seed... DeMar DeRozan for the unprotected Brooklyn pick... who says no at this point?

Right, it makes complete sense for the Celts to trade a potential top 5 pick for half a season of Demar Derozan.

Why are you so eager to peddle that pick for a meager deal in every thread?

It's the Celtics' pick so it loses -10 points in value for Lar.  :P JK, Lar, but it's okay to start turning the optimistic shades on!

Demar, Rudy Gay, and Marc Gasol are not anywhere close in value to a top 5 pick in this draft considering the hype Simmons, Ingram, Bender, Skal, and Jaylen are getting. If the Celtics trade the 16 BKN pick for a player of the level of those three listed, we will need to have a serious conversation about Ainge, haha.

I mean, I'd probably trade the pick for Marc Gasol age 31-35, even if he is already on the decline, just because I like Marc Gasol a lot and I think he'd be amazing in Brad's system.  But I do not for a second think Memphis would consider that.


Rudy Gay is a resounding no thank you.

I like Gasol a lot too, and I'd consider it if he were a couple years younger, but adding Gasol to this team scares me. I stay away from the term treadmill a lot, but to me that would be the true definition of hitting the treadmill. We need to hit big, really big, on the BKN pick. Sure, we'd still have the 17 and 18 BKN pick to play with, and I'm pretty confident those will also be top 7-10 picks, but the '16 pick is looking like a sure thing for being top 10 at the worst. Considering the average age of the current roster, I'd rather see them hit a homerun with the pick by either drafting or trading for a superstar. I wanted Gasol in free agency somehow really badly because I think he is a perfect fit here, but for the BKN pick? Eh..I dunno.

Gay and Demar are definite no-no's. I don't think I'd even trade the DAL or our pick for them.

Re: Lowe on the C's
« Reply #33 on: November 19, 2015, 04:38:16 PM »

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  I mean, Toronto is currently hovering around the 8th seed... DeMar DeRozan for the unprotected Brooklyn pick... who says no at this point?

Right, it makes complete sense for the Celts to trade a potential top 5 pick for half a season of Demar Derozan.

Why are you so eager to peddle that pick for a meager deal in every thread?
I'm not.   You're not getting my point.   Boston wouldn't trade that pick for Demar Derozan.   But you probably could... hence, Boston could "add an impact player" without giving up a rotation player.   This is what I believe Lowe was referring to... Boston COULD add an impact player without giving up any of their contributors... but does it make sense to pull the trigger on a deal for a borderline star like DeRozan or an aging star like Noah/Gasol if they believe they might be on the cusp of landing a transcendent talent in the draft?  Probably not.  Lowe's saying the team is interesting, because they have that opportunity if they want it.  I'm merely pointing out what I think he's referring to.

At this point, Brooklyn pick is indeed looking like it is headed for the lottery... I'm not anxious to move it without top 5 protection.

Re: Lowe on the C's
« Reply #34 on: November 19, 2015, 04:50:34 PM »

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  I mean, Toronto is currently hovering around the 8th seed... DeMar DeRozan for the unprotected Brooklyn pick... who says no at this point?

Right, it makes complete sense for the Celts to trade a potential top 5 pick for half a season of Demar Derozan.

Why are you so eager to peddle that pick for a meager deal in every thread?

It's the Celtics' pick so it loses -10 points in value for Lar.  :P JK, Lar, but it's okay to start turning the optimistic shades on!

Demar, Rudy Gay, and Marc Gasol are not anywhere close in value to a top 5 pick in this draft considering the hype Simmons, Ingram, Bender, Skal, and Jaylen are getting. If the Celtics trade the 16 BKN pick for a player of the level of those three listed, we will need to have a serious conversation about Ainge, haha.

I mean, I'd probably trade the pick for Marc Gasol age 31-35, even if he is already on the decline, just because I like Marc Gasol a lot and I think he'd be amazing in Brad's system.  But I do not for a second think Memphis would consider that.


Rudy Gay is a resounding no thank you.

Yeah no thanks.

I was set on Gasol last year, when we had Rondo and Green, but on this team right now? Nope.

Memphis is struggling, because of floor spacing, and besides Conley or Gasol, who is the next to go scorer? He's also been a notoriously bad rebounder for his position and size. We're a team that can't grab the boards, so I don't know.

I like Gasol, but for the Nets pick? I'll pass any time of the day on that.

  I mean, Toronto is currently hovering around the 8th seed... DeMar DeRozan for the unprotected Brooklyn pick... who says no at this point?

Right, it makes complete sense for the Celts to trade a potential top 5 pick for half a season of Demar Derozan.

Why are you so eager to peddle that pick for a meager deal in every thread?

It's the Celtics' pick so it loses -10 points in value for Lar.  :P JK, Lar, but it's okay to start turning the optimistic shades on!

Demar, Rudy Gay, and Marc Gasol are not anywhere close in value to a top 5 pick in this draft considering the hype Simmons, Ingram, Bender, Skal, and Jaylen are getting. If the Celtics trade the 16 BKN pick for a player of the level of those three listed, we will need to have a serious conversation about Ainge, haha.

I mean, I'd probably trade the pick for Marc Gasol age 31-35, even if he is already on the decline, just because I like Marc Gasol a lot and I think he'd be amazing in Brad's system.  But I do not for a second think Memphis would consider that.


Rudy Gay is a resounding no thank you.

I like Gasol a lot too, and I'd consider it if he were a couple years younger, but adding Gasol to this team scares me. I stay away from the term treadmill a lot, but to me that would be the true definition of hitting the treadmill. We need to hit big, really big, on the BKN pick. Sure, we'd still have the 17 and 18 BKN pick to play with, and I'm pretty confident those will also be top 7-10 picks, but the '16 pick is looking like a sure thing for being top 10 at the worst. Considering the average age of the current roster, I'd rather see them hit a homerun with the pick by either drafting or trading for a superstar. I wanted Gasol in free agency somehow really badly because I think he is a perfect fit here, but for the BKN pick? Eh..I dunno.

Gay and Demar are definite no-no's. I don't think I'd even trade the DAL or our pick for them.

Completely agree.

I mean, what's the point? Do people seriously think Gasol would lead players like Conley or Durant here? Maybe. But you're willing to take that kind of calculated risk, instead of making a smart decision or drafting right, or trading for cost controlled young talent?

I would take DMC over Gasol, but maybe that's just me.

I think DMC improving his 3pt shot, and actually making them at a 41.2% clip is almost unbelievable.

Gasol also doesn't really get to the free throw line like that.

We need floor spacers, rebounders, scorers that can get to the free throw line, and uptempo offensive players.
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Re: Lowe on the C's
« Reply #35 on: November 19, 2015, 05:48:11 PM »

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Re: Lowe on the C's
« Reply #36 on: November 19, 2015, 05:53:38 PM »

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I thought his podcast was dead? I deleted all grantland podcasts  :o

I did too. Maybe he started up a separate one to keep going? I'm gonna look into this..

EDIT: Yep, the Lowe Post has still been going on under ESPN. My feed hasn't been updating, though..ugh. I'll fix that later.

Re: Lowe on the C's
« Reply #37 on: November 19, 2015, 06:06:22 PM »

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  I mean, Toronto is currently hovering around the 8th seed... DeMar DeRozan for the unprotected Brooklyn pick... who says no at this point?

Right, it makes complete sense for the Celts to trade a potential top 5 pick for half a season of Demar Derozan.

Why are you so eager to peddle that pick for a meager deal in every thread?
I'm not.   You're not getting my point.   Boston wouldn't trade that pick for Demar Derozan.   But you probably could... hence, Boston could "add an impact player" without giving up a rotation player.   This is what I believe Lowe was referring to... Boston COULD add an impact player without giving up any of their contributors... but does it make sense to pull the trigger on a deal for a borderline star like DeRozan or an aging star like Noah/Gasol if they believe they might be on the cusp of landing a transcendent talent in the draft?  Probably not.  Lowe's saying the team is interesting, because they have that opportunity if they want it.  I'm merely pointing out what I think he's referring to.

At this point, Brooklyn pick is indeed looking like it is headed for the lottery... I'm not anxious to move it without top 5 protection.

I think Lowe's referring to trading a superfluous player with a large expiring (i.e. Lee), one or two youngsters currently out of the rotation because of our depth (i.e. Hunter, Rozier, or Mickey), and offering one or two of the lesser (but still valuable) picks they've got coming in this draft (Minnesota, Dallas, Philadelphia, etc). 

I'm not sure who, exactly, but I imagine the Celts could add a player to upgrade the talent in the rotation (ahead of, say, Evan Turner or David Lee) if they wanted to do so.
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Re: Lowe on the C's
« Reply #38 on: November 19, 2015, 06:25:15 PM »

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Right, it makes complete sense for the Celts to trade a potential top 5 pick for half a season of Demar Derozan.

I just do not see this happening, he can score but he can't shoot, and is not a CBS floor spreader.

42% from the field, 17% from the trey line.   I think Ainge passes.

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« Reply #39 on: November 19, 2015, 08:40:58 PM »

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Why do we have to keep the team we have? Plenty of room to upgrade every position, no one on this team is untouchable, not even close IMO. Hard workers for sure, but not the most talented roup.

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« Reply #40 on: November 19, 2015, 08:44:44 PM »

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I think he's just saying that he's planning on writing an article about the topic (potential Cs targets) in the near future so he doesn't want to talk about specifics on the podcast.

I look forward to reading it.
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I'm also excited to read what he thinks we might be able to get this season with the roster we have.
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Re: Lowe on the C's
« Reply #41 on: November 19, 2015, 08:45:52 PM »

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A really good player that we could get without hurting our current roster?
Noah would be okay but he's not starting over Amir (unless we trade/bench Sully).
The other perfect fit would be Eric Gordon...

Lowe says 'I'm not gonna name any names because I have some stuff in the works'

He prefaces that by saying 'this is a different story' (than the Celtics general discussion he was having with Thorpe about being better than Toronto and how good Brad is etc).

I take that as he has a specific name/names that are being discussed.

Anyone notice he talked about how New Orleans were almost done, and then soon after that went into the Celtics talk about getting a player without giving anyone up?

Thorpe says 'The West isn't what it was...Pelicans are 1 and 10 for cyrin' out loud'. Lowe then says ' the Pelicans are close to done'. He then lets Thorpe finish and moves on to 'Last question' being about the Celtics.

If the Pelicans are 'almost done'...
Eric Gordon would fit our system here very well. Elite three point shooter, good defender, willing passer only 26 years old. From Indiana like Brad, is a team first kinda kid (polite, humble, hard working).
Expiring at the end of this year. Would probably take nothing to get him here if they decide to tank the rest of the year
ie future draft pick, 2 or 3 2nd rounders (which we have way too many of).

eg:
2016 Cleveland 2nd round pick
2016 Dallas 2nd round pick
2017 Clippers 2nd round pick.

Smart
Gordon
Crowder
Sully
Amir

IT
Bradley
Turner
Olynyk
Jerebko
RJ
Zeller

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Re: Lowe on the C's
« Reply #42 on: November 20, 2015, 01:17:22 AM »

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We just don't need Eric Gordon he's a two guard. Smart looks good at the two, so does Bradley, Hunter, Rozier plays like a shooting guard, and that's Young's position too.

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« Reply #43 on: November 20, 2015, 05:26:43 AM »

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We just don't need Eric Gordon he's a two guard. Smart looks good at the two, so does Bradley, Hunter, Rozier plays like a shooting guard, and that's Young's position too.

I think if we could re-sign him on a value deal that he would definitely be an upgrade over Bradley at the SG.
We don't know if Stevens is going to keep IT as the starting PG or go back to Smart/Bradley, but if he goes back to Smart at PG and Bradley at SG, then Eric Gordon would be an immediate upgrade over Bradley.
He's a 20ppg scorer with excellent efficiency- we desperately need that kind of scoring and especially his three point shooting.

Anyway, I think he's a guy we could take a shot at for cheap. He knows Stevens well, he's a team player and he's young whilst being pretty healthy for the past 2 seasons.

Worth a shot IMO.
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« Reply #44 on: November 20, 2015, 08:13:16 AM »

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We just don't need Eric Gordon he's a two guard. Smart looks good at the two, so does Bradley, Hunter, Rozier plays like a shooting guard, and that's Young's position too.
while I like Smart a lot and AB has looked better this year, I think we can still upgrade at the 2.  I don't see Gordon as that upgrade though because his D is average at best. 

Smart has not looked good at the 2 spot this year.  Call me old-fashioned but I think a SG (2) should, you know, actually be able to shoot.