Noel to the bench

[Monkhouse]

Why are people so enamored with Noel?

A big that shoots 39.6% on 2PA is impressive?

Wait, but he can block shots right? He can rebound?

8.8 RPG isn't impressive when you take into account, other than Okafor, that entire team is bench warmers or D-Leaguers.

He can't even average over 2 BPG, and his defense is actually by the metrics considered slightly above average, (I haven't checked it recently, so not 100% sure). You don't have to be a genius to see how good Smart is on defense. I've seen it first hand, and now he neutralized Harden and Westbrook, and how much hustle plays he's done.

I wouldn't even trade Smart for Noel straight up.

I think Smart is going to be a better player than Noel.

Also people compare Noel to Chandler, but Chandler was by all means the late bloomer. If the comparison is actually close to the truth, you guys want to wait a few years for Noel to break out?

Just see if he opts out, and try to sign him in FA. No point in giving up assets for a center that is so limited offensively.

[LarBrd33]

Why are people so enamored with Noel?

A big that shoots 39.6% on 2PA is impressive?

Wait, but he can block shots right? He can rebound?

8.8 RPG isn't impressive when you take into account, other than Okafor, that entire team is bench warmers or D-Leaguers.

He can't even average over 2 BPG, and his defense is actually by the metrics considered slightly above average, (I haven't checked it recently, so not 100% sure). You don't have to be a genius to see how good Smart is on defense. I've seen it first hand, and now he neutralized Harden and Westbrook, and how much hustle plays he's done.

I wouldn't even trade Smart for Noel straight up.

I think Smart is going to be a better player than Noel.

Also people compare Noel to Chandler, but Chandler was by all means the late bloomer. If the comparison is actually close to the truth, you guys want to wait a few years for Noel to break out?

Just see if he opts out, and try to sign him in FA. No point in giving up assets for a center that is so limited offensively.

Saying that Noel's 8.8 RPG is unimpressive for a big is a lot like saying Marcus Smart's 32% shooting (24% from three) is unimpressive for a guard. 

Both of those guys will be better than they look right now.  They are 21 years old born a month apart.  They have a year of NBA experience.   If we're looking at small sample sizes, look at the 17 games Noel played in the month of March, Noel averaged 14 points, 11.2 rebounds, 1.8 assists, 2.1 blocks, 2.4 blocks with 50% shooting in 33mpg.

[Monkhouse]

Why are people so enamored with Noel?

A big that shoots 39.6% on 2PA is impressive?

Wait, but he can block shots right? He can rebound?

8.8 RPG isn't impressive when you take into account, other than Okafor, that entire team is bench warmers or D-Leaguers.

He can't even average over 2 BPG, and his defense is actually by the metrics considered slightly above average, (I haven't checked it recently, so not 100% sure). You don't have to be a genius to see how good Smart is on defense. I've seen it first hand, and now he neutralized Harden and Westbrook, and how much hustle plays he's done.

I wouldn't even trade Smart for Noel straight up.

I think Smart is going to be a better player than Noel.

Also people compare Noel to Chandler, but Chandler was by all means the late bloomer. If the comparison is actually close to the truth, you guys want to wait a few years for Noel to break out?

Just see if he opts out, and try to sign him in FA. No point in giving up assets for a center that is so limited offensively.

Saying that Noel's 8.8 RPG is unimpressive for a big is a lot like saying Marcus Smart's 32% shooting (24% from three) is unimpressive for a guard. 

Both of those guys will be better than they look right now.  They are 21 years old born a month apart.  They have a year of NBA experience.   If we're looking at small sample sizes, look at the 17 games Noel played in the month of March, Noel averaged 14 points, 11.2 rebounds, 1.8 assists, 2.1 blocks, 2.4 blocks with 50% shooting in 33mpg.

I'm not that impressed with Marcus Smart's offense either.

But I like Marcus Smart's hustle and intangibles.

I'm just not that sold on Noel. Plus you forget Noel recently had an ACL tear. Am I convinced that he'll bounce back? Of course. I like Noel, don't get me wrong. But users on here really overrate the heck out of him.

I also don't get why people think Okafor won't be good. His hands are big, and he has amazing touch for a big. I think he'll be a better and healthier version of Al Jefferson, which is a pretty dominant 16/9 type of guy.

If I'm the 76ers, I try to get an excellent guard prospect for Noel, while building around Okafor, and seeing if Embiid can indeed stay healthy enough to overtake the position or fulfill his expectations/back up big.

[LarBrd33]

Why are people so enamored with Noel?

A big that shoots 39.6% on 2PA is impressive?

Wait, but he can block shots right? He can rebound?

8.8 RPG isn't impressive when you take into account, other than Okafor, that entire team is bench warmers or D-Leaguers.

He can't even average over 2 BPG, and his defense is actually by the metrics considered slightly above average, (I haven't checked it recently, so not 100% sure). You don't have to be a genius to see how good Smart is on defense. I've seen it first hand, and now he neutralized Harden and Westbrook, and how much hustle plays he's done.

I wouldn't even trade Smart for Noel straight up.

I think Smart is going to be a better player than Noel.

Also people compare Noel to Chandler, but Chandler was by all means the late bloomer. If the comparison is actually close to the truth, you guys want to wait a few years for Noel to break out?

Just see if he opts out, and try to sign him in FA. No point in giving up assets for a center that is so limited offensively.

Saying that Noel's 8.8 RPG is unimpressive for a big is a lot like saying Marcus Smart's 32% shooting (24% from three) is unimpressive for a guard. 

Both of those guys will be better than they look right now.  They are 21 years old born a month apart.  They have a year of NBA experience.   If we're looking at small sample sizes, look at the 17 games Noel played in the month of March, Noel averaged 14 points, 11.2 rebounds, 1.8 assists, 2.1 blocks, 2.4 blocks with 50% shooting in 33mpg.

I'm not that impressed with Marcus Smart's offense either.

But I like Marcus Smart's hustle and intangibles.

I'm just not that sold on Noel. Plus you forget Noel recently had an ACL tear. Am I convinced that he'll bounce back? Of course. I like Noel, don't get me wrong. But users on here really overrate the heck out of him.

I also don't get why people think Okafor won't be good. His hands are big, and he has amazing touch for a big. I think he'll be a better and healthier version of Al Jefferson, which is a pretty dominant 16/9 type of guy.

If I'm the 76ers, I try to get an excellent guard prospect for Noel, while building around Okafor, and seeing if Embiid can indeed stay healthy enough to overtake the position or fulfill his expectations/back up big.

Is that you, Danny?

[LarBrd33]

Every discussion about elite prospects around here inevitably turns to Smart, because he's really our only elite prospect.  I'd love to have Noel on this team.  Ideally, we'd do it without moving the Brooklyn pick or Smart.  Having both of those guys on defense would be crazy.  I think I'd be comfortable moving Sully + Avery Bradley right now for Noel... probably even more than that.  Give them a really solid guard and a PF who can play next to Okafor.   Even if it made sense for Philly, they probably wouldn't do it.  It's in their best interest to tank again this year.

[SHAQATTACK]

Noel to Boston

Is the headline I want to read


With OUT Marcus Smarts name mentioned in the trade .



Btw ...I agree with Bird33 ....I d do AB , Sully , and a none Net first  for Noel

[max215]

Every discussion about elite prospects around here inevitably turns to Smart, because he's really our only elite prospect.  I'd love to have Noel on this team.  Ideally, we'd do it without moving the Brooklyn pick or Smart.  Having both of those guys on defense would be crazy.  I think I'd be comfortable moving Sully + Avery Bradley right now for Noel... probably even more than that.  Give them a really solid guard and a PF who can play next to Okafor.   Even if it made sense for Philly, they probably wouldn't do it.  It's in their best interest to tank again this year.

Spot on. I'd pretty happily do AB, Sully, and the Mavs pick.

[Eddie20]

Why are people so enamored with Noel?

A big that shoots 39.6% on 2PA is impressive?

Wait, but he can block shots right? He can rebound?

8.8 RPG isn't impressive when you take into account, other than Okafor, that entire team is bench warmers or D-Leaguers.

He can't even average over 2 BPG, and his defense is actually by the metrics considered slightly above average, (I haven't checked it recently, so not 100% sure). You don't have to be a genius to see how good Smart is on defense. I've seen it first hand, and now he neutralized Harden and Westbrook, and how much hustle plays he's done.

I wouldn't even trade Smart for Noel straight up.

I think Smart is going to be a better player than Noel.

Also people compare Noel to Chandler, but Chandler was by all means the late bloomer. If the comparison is actually close to the truth, you guys want to wait a few years for Noel to break out?

Just see if he opts out, and try to sign him in FA. No point in giving up assets for a center that is so limited offensively.

Saying that Noel's 8.8 RPG is unimpressive for a big is a lot like saying Marcus Smart's 32% shooting (24% from three) is unimpressive for a guard. 

Both of those guys will be better than they look right now.  They are 21 years old born a month apart.  They have a year of NBA experience.   If we're looking at small sample sizes, look at the 17 games Noel played in the month of March, Noel averaged 14 points, 11.2 rebounds, 1.8 assists, 2.1 blocks, 2.4 blocks with 50% shooting in 33mpg.

Why is it that March and early April of the 14-15 season are things you constantly bring up when it comes to both Noel and the Nets? Considering how both are doing this season it could very well be an aberration likely as a result of opponents packing it in for the off-season.

Have you seen any offensive improvement whatsoever in regards to Noel? What has changed between early 2013 and now? This was Draft Express' scouting report on him back in 2013 and it might have well been written today:

Offensively, Noel is a fairly limited offensive player at this stage of his career, both in terms of instincts and production. He was not a focal point by any means for a Kentucky squad that struggled badly to produce points in many key games this season, only using 18% of his team's possessions in his time on the floor, which ranked just sixth on a team that may not make the NCAA tournament.

Noel garnered around three possessions per game with his back to the basket, but only converted 45% of his field goal attempts once there, a relatively poor rate. His instincts inside the post look fairly crude, as he lacks great balance and doesn't possess much in the way of footwork or counter moves, turning the ball over more often (16.4% of the time) than he draws a foul (15.1%). With his extremely narrow frame, he struggles to establish good post-position even against the relatively unimpressive slate of big men defenders he matched up with in the SEC. He's mostly relegated to shooting simple jump-hooks with either hand, but doesn't show very good touch on these types of shots, which, along with his poor lower body strength, makes it difficult to envision him developing into a prolific option with his back to the basket down the road.

[celticsclay]

Is there a way we can do a 4 or 5 team trade that nets us Bismack, Anthony Bennett, Stauskas and McLemore right now? All those guys are looking elite right now. I think those 4 with Noel would be a dynasty. #playerevaluation #onpoint

[Eddie20]

Is there a way we can do a 4 or 5 team trade that nets us Bismack, Anthony Bennett, Stauskas and McLemore right now? All those guys are looking elite right now. I think those 4 with Noel would be a dynasty. #playerevaluation #onpoint

Spot on. Don't forget Embiid too though. When LB likes you, it's pretty much a kiss of death.

[oldtype]

Ultimately I think if you offered up Noel for Smart straight up, both sides say no because there's some value to keeping "your guy" who's already embedded into the team culture (assuming Philly even has something that could be called a culture.)

If this were a video game, it would make perfect sense though. They have pretty much completely equal trade value (same age, similar stage of development, Noel plays a position where starters are harder to find but Smart is under team control for a year longer.) You could make arguments for why one is better than the other but it's all marginal.

[celticsclay]

Ultimately I think if you offered up Noel for Smart straight up, both sides say no because there's some value to keeping "your guy" who's already embedded into the team culture (assuming Philly even has something that could be called a culture.)

If this were a video game, it would make perfect sense though. They have pretty much completely equal trade value (same age, similar stage of development, Noel plays a position where starters are harder to find but Smart is under team control for a year longer.) You could make arguments for why one is better than the other but it's all marginal.

It is funny that about 8 months ago this would be considered a steal for the celtics, but now due some regression from Noel and improvement from Smart it is viewed as a fair swap.

[trickybilly]

Is there a way we can do a 4 or 5 team trade that nets us Bismack, Anthony Bennett, Stauskas and McLemore right now? All those guys are looking elite right now. I think those 4 with Noel would be a dynasty. #playerevaluation #onpoint

That's funny and TP, but mclemore is still getting better.. like Smart

[celticsclay]

Is there a way we can do a 4 or 5 team trade that nets us Bismack, Anthony Bennett, Stauskas and McLemore right now? All those guys are looking elite right now. I think those 4 with Noel would be a dynasty. #playerevaluation #onpoint

That's funny and TP, but mclemore is still getting better.. like Smart

I liked the way McLemore looked last season myself, however it seems like he has not really added anything to his game this season and has looked a bit worse. He is playing about the same as Belinelli this year which is probably less than you would expect in year 3.

[LarBrd33]

Why are people so enamored with Noel?

A big that shoots 39.6% on 2PA is impressive?

Wait, but he can block shots right? He can rebound?

8.8 RPG isn't impressive when you take into account, other than Okafor, that entire team is bench warmers or D-Leaguers.

He can't even average over 2 BPG, and his defense is actually by the metrics considered slightly above average, (I haven't checked it recently, so not 100% sure). You don't have to be a genius to see how good Smart is on defense. I've seen it first hand, and now he neutralized Harden and Westbrook, and how much hustle plays he's done.

I wouldn't even trade Smart for Noel straight up.

I think Smart is going to be a better player than Noel.

Also people compare Noel to Chandler, but Chandler was by all means the late bloomer. If the comparison is actually close to the truth, you guys want to wait a few years for Noel to break out?

Just see if he opts out, and try to sign him in FA. No point in giving up assets for a center that is so limited offensively.

Saying that Noel's 8.8 RPG is unimpressive for a big is a lot like saying Marcus Smart's 32% shooting (24% from three) is unimpressive for a guard. 

Both of those guys will be better than they look right now.  They are 21 years old born a month apart.  They have a year of NBA experience.   If we're looking at small sample sizes, look at the 17 games Noel played in the month of March, Noel averaged 14 points, 11.2 rebounds, 1.8 assists, 2.1 blocks, 2.4 blocks with 50% shooting in 33mpg.

Why is it that March and early April of the 14-15 season are things you constantly bring up when it comes to both Noel and the Nets? Considering how both are doing this season it could very well be an aberration likely as a result of opponents packing it in for the off-season.

WHy is it that March and early April of the 14-15 season acted as proof that Boston wasn't going to end up in the lotto this year?