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Trade top 3 pick for Cousins?  or draft a prospect?

Yes.  He's a franchise big man. Absolutely.
34 (37.8%)
No, would rather draft Ben Simmons or a top 3 pick and then go after Cousins in free agency. If we miss out then meh whatever we have Simmons/draft stud.
41 (45.6%)
Don't want anything to do with Cousins.
15 (16.7%)

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Re: If the Nets pick is top 3, would you trade it for DeMarcus Cousins?
« Reply #45 on: November 08, 2015, 08:44:08 AM »

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Sacramento was 29-53 with Cousins last year.
Cousins is overrated.

Yawn, what a tired argument. The fact that he dragged that heap of garbage to 29 wins is miraculous.

Not a team player.
They will be much better when he's gone.

I'll give you 1,000 TPs if you can provide one shred of evidence to indicate that the Kings are better without Boogie.

On January 1, 2012, head coach Paul Westphal sent Cousins home from the Kings' home game against the New Orleans Hornets, saying that Cousins was "unwilling/unable to embrace traveling in the same direction as his team; it cannot be ignored indefinitely."
On November 11, 2012, the league suspended Cousins for two games without pay for confronting San Antonio Spurs color commentator Sean Elliott "in a hostile manner" after he criticized Cousins for attempting to bully Tim Duncan on the court.
On December 22, 2012, Cousins was suspended indefinitely from the Kings, who accused him of "unprofessional behavior and conduct detrimental to the team."
On February 26, 2014, Cousins received a one-game suspension for punching Patrick Beverley in the stomach.

Notice how this is all in the past.


Right now Cousins is a definite MVP if he can ever will his team into the playoffs, but its not just on him to do so, considering the level of talent in Gay, Rondo, and Collison having to all mesh together.

Cousins has matured, and if you ever watched his Bill Simmons interview, you'll know that Cousins has always been perceived as a violent guy, but hes absolutely chill.

538 Carmelo's evaluation favorably dotes on him... Comparing him to Blake Griffin, Shawn Kemp, Kevin Garnett, Hakeem, and Duncan... Besides the fact his impact last year, and his WAR was around 6.0, which is pretty dang good, there is absolutely no evidence to suggest that Cousins sucks; albeit being a headcase...

I have no doubt in my mind if Cousins was coached by Stevens, that the two would get along really well.

ROFL is it suppose to be in the future? ::)

He's a very talented player that has not made anyone better on his team or the team any better. People that want to make up excuses for him can do so but to me it's very worrisome that a player with his talent can't win 30 games, 30!!!!! I know you guys guys drooling over this knuckle head will scream it's the West but frankly I don't want to hear it. Lets deal with facts and those are the facts, period!

Re: If the Nets pick is top 3, would you trade it for DeMarcus Cousins?
« Reply #46 on: November 08, 2015, 09:43:13 AM »

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Sacramento was 29-53 with Cousins last year.
Cousins is overrated.

Yawn, what a tired argument. The fact that he dragged that heap of garbage to 29 wins is miraculous.

Not a team player.
They will be much better when he's gone.

I'll give you 1,000 TPs if you can provide one shred of evidence to indicate that the Kings are better without Boogie.

On January 1, 2012, head coach Paul Westphal sent Cousins home from the Kings' home game against the New Orleans Hornets, saying that Cousins was "unwilling/unable to embrace traveling in the same direction as his team; it cannot be ignored indefinitely."
On November 11, 2012, the league suspended Cousins for two games without pay for confronting San Antonio Spurs color commentator Sean Elliott "in a hostile manner" after he criticized Cousins for attempting to bully Tim Duncan on the court.
On December 22, 2012, Cousins was suspended indefinitely from the Kings, who accused him of "unprofessional behavior and conduct detrimental to the team."
On February 26, 2014, Cousins received a one-game suspension for punching Patrick Beverley in the stomach.

Notice how this is all in the past.


Right now Cousins is a definite MVP if he can ever will his team into the playoffs, but its not just on him to do so, considering the level of talent in Gay, Rondo, and Collison having to all mesh together.

Cousins has matured, and if you ever watched his Bill Simmons interview, you'll know that Cousins has always been perceived as a violent guy, but hes absolutely chill.

538 Carmelo's evaluation favorably dotes on him... Comparing him to Blake Griffin, Shawn Kemp, Kevin Garnett, Hakeem, and Duncan... Besides the fact his impact last year, and his WAR was around 6.0, which is pretty dang good, there is absolutely no evidence to suggest that Cousins sucks; albeit being a headcase...

I have no doubt in my mind if Cousins was coached by Stevens, that the two would get along really well.

ROFL is it suppose to be in the future? ::)

He's a very talented player that has not made anyone better on his team or the team any better. People that want to make up excuses for him can do so but to me it's very worrisome that a player with his talent can't win 30 games, 30!!!!! I know you guys guys drooling over this knuckle head will scream it's the West but frankly I don't want to hear it. Lets deal with facts and those are the facts, period!

TP for you.
Cousins is also averages 3.3 turnovers per game.

Re: If the Nets pick is top 3, would you trade it for DeMarcus Cousins?
« Reply #47 on: November 08, 2015, 10:07:36 AM »

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For me I don't ever see Kings Giving up on Boogie ....they would be 10 years behind once again

But that said


I would maybe trade a 4-5 round Nets pick for Nerlins Noel

Re: If the Nets pick is top 3, would you trade it for DeMarcus Cousins?
« Reply #48 on: November 08, 2015, 10:31:50 AM »

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Cousins is all the negative things everyone says about him. But he's just so good as an individual player you have to roll the dice that you can make it work out.
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Re: If the Nets pick is top 3, would you trade it for DeMarcus Cousins?
« Reply #49 on: November 08, 2015, 11:06:57 AM »

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TP for you.
Cousins is also averages 3.3 turnovers per game.

So right in line with just about every other superstar player ever?

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Re: If the Nets pick is top 3, would you trade it for DeMarcus Cousins?
« Reply #50 on: November 08, 2015, 11:14:13 AM »

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Cousins is all the negative things everyone says about him. But he's just so good as an individual player you have to roll the dice that you can make it work out.

As a final piece maybe you roll the dice on him a la Rasheed with the Pistons. But he would only be the 1st piece.

I would rather have my first piece or potential cornerstone with a top 3 pick where you have them on a rookie contract for the next 4 years, and are pretty much guaranteed to be able to sign him to an extension after that because you own his bird rights and can offer more than any other team .

Plus it would probably take more than one of those Brooklyn picks to get him

I want no part of him being our cornerstone if it means giving up a top 3 pick or multiple brk picks. Those picks have way to much value and could set us up to be contenders for years to come . ( Could end up with a trio like Westbrook, Durant and Harden, only Danny wouldn't be stupid enough to trade a future MVP)
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Re: If the Nets pick is top 3, would you trade it for DeMarcus Cousins?
« Reply #51 on: November 08, 2015, 11:24:44 AM »

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Celtics are in it to win championships. 
Cousins is no Bill Russell or Shaq or Duncan.  He may not even be the best center out there. 
If we have to trade for him and then convince him to resign in two years, just wait the two years and convince him to come.  Sure, it would only happen if he is unhappy where he is:  but they would only trade him if he is unhappy or not fitting in. 
Again:  if Sac wants to trade Cousins because he does not fit in with the talent around him, he is not worth trading for.  He would be like Carmelo:  great player, no success.
Definitely keep the draft picks and be patient with our young guys and get the draft picks.
The Wyc Grousbeck interview recently made it clear that the Celtics target certain guys and are just waiting for the opportunity:  free agency being the last resort.  He said they would take risks.

Re: If the Nets pick is top 3, would you trade it for DeMarcus Cousins?
« Reply #52 on: November 08, 2015, 12:57:56 PM »

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Those of you concerned with DeMarcus' past incidents - I don't blame you. He's always been - to  me - rather rough around the edges.

Most stars ARE.

I have no doubt that if he were to land in BOS, CBS would smooth those edges out some. He'd be a Star in BOS.

Re: If the Nets pick is top 3, would you trade it for DeMarcus Cousins?
« Reply #53 on: November 08, 2015, 12:58:31 PM »

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Yes, absolutely.

I don't think it's that much of a certainty.  Cousins is worth a top 3 pick for sure, maybe more, but if there is a guy in the draft like Durant, you keep the pick.

I would not want them to keep the pick and draft a big if Cousins is available. 

Re: If the Nets pick is top 3, would you trade it for DeMarcus Cousins?
« Reply #54 on: November 08, 2015, 01:06:48 PM »

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Yes, absolutely.

I don't think it's that much of a certainty.  Cousins is worth a top 3 pick for sure, maybe more, but if there is a guy in the draft like Durant, you keep the pick.

I would not want them to keep the pick and draft a big if Cousins is available. 

Yeah, I could understand if you think the player available at our draft slot is on the level of LeBron, Durant or Anthony Davis you probably have to keep the pick.

Anything less than that and I absolutely trade the pick for Boogie.  DMC is a top 10 player in this league.  And with a stable front office, good coaching staff, and complementary surrounding talent I think Cousins could reach even higher levels of play.

Re: If the Nets pick is top 3, would you trade it for DeMarcus Cousins?
« Reply #55 on: March 22, 2016, 10:49:40 PM »

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So as we get closer to the draft, what are people's  thoughts on this?
Anyone lost faith in Simmons or more faith in Ingram? More/less faith in trading the pick  for Cousins?
I think if we get a top 2 pick, we will strongly consider drafting the player and let Stevens groom them.
"We are lucky we have a very patient GM that isn't willing to settle for being good and coming close. He wants to win a championship and we have the potential to get there still with our roster and assets."

quoting 'Greg B' on RealGM after 2017 trade deadline.
Read that last line again. One more time.

Re: If the Nets pick is top 3, would you trade it for DeMarcus Cousins?
« Reply #56 on: March 22, 2016, 10:50:49 PM »

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If Cousins is available.

Re: If the Nets pick is top 3, would you trade it for DeMarcus Cousins?
« Reply #57 on: March 22, 2016, 10:51:24 PM »

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So as we get closer to the draft, what are people's  thoughts on this?
Anyone lost faith in Simmons or more faith in Ingram? More/less faith in trading the pick  for Cousins?
I think if we get a top 2 pick, we will strongly consider drafting the player and let Stevens groom them.

Top 2, keep it. If we are willing to go with one of Murray or Hield at 3, also keep it. If we don't plan on taking them, trade it. I don't want bender or brown or whoever
I could very well see the Hawks... starting Taurean Prince at the 3, who is already better than Crowder, imo.

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Re: If the Nets pick is top 3, would you trade it for DeMarcus Cousins?
« Reply #58 on: March 22, 2016, 10:52:02 PM »

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Yup. He's an MVP candidate in Boston.
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Re: If the Nets pick is top 3, would you trade it for DeMarcus Cousins?
« Reply #59 on: March 22, 2016, 11:03:48 PM »

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Sacramento was 29-53 with Cousins last year.
Cousins is overrated.


Yawn, what a tired argument. The fact that he dragged that heap of garbage to 29 wins is miraculous.

Not a team player.
They will be much better when he's gone.

I'll give you 1,000 TPs if you can provide one shred of evidence to indicate that the Kings are better without Boogie.

On January 1, 2012, head coach Paul Westphal sent Cousins home from the Kings' home game against the New Orleans Hornets, saying that Cousins was "unwilling/unable to embrace traveling in the same direction as his team; it cannot be ignored indefinitely."
On November 11, 2012, the league suspended Cousins for two games without pay for confronting San Antonio Spurs color commentator Sean Elliott "in a hostile manner" after he criticized Cousins for attempting to bully Tim Duncan on the court.
On December 22, 2012, Cousins was suspended indefinitely from the Kings, who accused him of "unprofessional behavior and conduct detrimental to the team."
On February 26, 2014, Cousins received a one-game suspension for punching Patrick Beverley in the stomach.

Notice how this is all in the past.


Right now Cousins is a definite MVP if he can ever will his team into the playoffs, but its not just on him to do so, considering the level of talent in Gay, Rondo, and Collison having to all mesh together.

Cousins has matured, and if you ever watched his Bill Simmons interview, you'll know that Cousins has always been perceived as a violent guy, but hes absolutely chill.

538 Carmelo's evaluation favorably dotes on him... Comparing him to Blake Griffin, Shawn Kemp, Kevin Garnett, Hakeem, and Duncan... Besides the fact his impact last year, and his WAR was around 6.0, which is pretty dang good, there is absolutely no evidence to suggest that Cousins sucks; albeit being a headcase...

I have no doubt in my mind if Cousins was coached by Stevens, that the two would get along really well.

ROFL is it suppose to be in the future? ::)

He's a very talented player that has not made anyone better on his team or the team any better. People that want to make up excuses for him can do so but to me it's very worrisome that a player with his talent can't win 30 games, 30!!!!! I know you guys guys drooling over this knuckle head will scream it's the West but frankly I don't want to hear it. Lets deal with facts and those are the facts, period!

How does any of that indicate the kings are better without him?

Cousins has consistently had one of the top Real Plus Minus ratings in the entire NBA, and if you collaborate all of his seasons since his sophomore year the Kings have been approximately 12 wins a season better when Cousins has played compared to when he hasn't.

They are clearly a better team with him then they are without him, and anybody who tries to argue otherwise is just clinging to their own personal bias.

12 wins is a HUGE difference - add 12 wins to our record and we'd be the 3rd best team in the NBA, trailing only Golden State and San Antonio. 

Also yes - I would DEFINATELY trade out pick for Cousins if it falls top 3.  Even if it falls #1 I would STILL trade it for Cousins. 

How many top 3 picks in the past 10 years have become as good as Cousins? Over roughly 600 draftees (about 60 players per draft, over 10 years) I can think of maybe 3-5 at most who you could argue have become good enough to be somewhat close to Cousins' level.   Even if you only consider top 5 players, that's STILL 50 candidates, and only some 10% of those (at most) can be compared to Cousins' talent.

If you want to take a chance on that draft pick you go right ahead.  I'll stick to the proven 27/12 monster.

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