If the Nets pick is top 3, would you trade it for DeMarcus Cousins?

[Monkhouse]

DMC is better than anyone in this draft.

I'm sorry, but I don't ever see Simmons putting up numbers like DMC can. Simmons/Ingram couldn't also carry the sorry team that is SAC either. So people judging DMC for being unable to carry his team due to being defensively inefficient, should remind themselves that drooling over players in the draft doesn't mean jack squat until they prove themselves.

I would ten times out of ten, take a proven talent that has the potential to be a top 5 MVP candidate in the right situation and team than a player that has yet to prove himself yet.

[CelticsJG]

Top 1-2 pick I say...But if it is top 3 then yes

[Monkhouse]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWwC5UXpb2g
56 points against Hornets.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ICU74MYDtQ
48 points against Pacers.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKddj6ILX7s
40 pts 13 rebounds against Nets.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKddj6ILX7s
37 points, 20 rebounds, and 4 blocks against Nuggets.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gPlFAlRkTwo
35 points, 12 rebounds against Thunder.

I could keep going on.

But do you think Ben Simmons or Brandon Ingram have the potential to drop those numbers? And still be a two way player? Allstar? Possible MVP candidate?

Who knows. I'm taking a sure thing though every freaking darn time. Cousins gives up way too easily on a terrible and sadly forgotten team, and I think its his time with the Kings is seriously come to an all-time low. Not firing Karl, or at least bringing in more pieces is going to prove to be a mistake. Its going to be hard to convince Cousins to try to stay after this year. He is a very loyal guy.

But someone like Cousins need the right situation to thrive. He needs teammates that care too. I don't know what we'll give up, but having at least one of Crowder, and IT or Bradley/Smart on his team should give him the energy dominate offensively. I'm okay with having Crowder, Smart or Bradley on the perimeter keeping our defense in tip top shape.

The real question is, (if it came down to an Isaiah Thomas involved in one of the trades), would you get rid of him, in order to get Cousins? I always wondered if the 76ers would be willing to bite on an exchange of IT, for their lottery pick, (Lakers?) and one or two of our first round picks this year.

[BornReady]

id take my chances with simmons or ingram
but would trade if 3rd and under

with cousins its difficult as stat wise he is dominant
but he has a ton of issues that people keep saying have gone away
they said it when he was in USA team for FIBA that he matured but he's still the same

idk if this may impact on the chemistry of our team
that has been an advantage for us this season

[D Dub]

Well.  He checks the 'chip on shoulder' box on Brad's recruiting checklist.

[PhoSita]

3, yes.

1 or 2, probably not.

[Hemingway]

3, yes.

1 or 2, probably not.

This seems like the safe answer. I don't watch college ball so I'm not sure how good Simmons and Ingram are/will be. But unless you think those guys have a good shot at someday soon being better than DMC is now, you probably make the trade. There just are not so many great big guys and it seems like DMC would be a good fit and put us into true contention. 

[PaulP34]

Let's look at the possibility of landing the #1 pick. Factors are, Philadelphia is going to get the top pick, no questions asked, IMO the lottery is fixed. How else did Cleveland win the lottery three years in a row. The Lakers have all the motive to tank the season and not win another game, if they fall out of the #3 pick, Philly owns their pick. So that leaves Simmons and Ingram already off the board. Brooklyn is most likely gonna hand the Celtics a top 5 pick at best for they are trying to win as much as possible to screw Boston for robbing their future. I say our only option is going to package both 2016 and 2018 1st round picks for a super star stud. My guess is its going to be a Anthony Davis/Demarcus Cousins. If we do trade for Cousins, we gotta sign him to a max deal.

If Ainge trades Brooklyn's pick, it would be smart to package either the Dallas pick with the 2017 swap or our own pick with the swap to move up and draft Scale Labissiere ( who IMO will develop into the same player as Ingram ) of course at a cheaper rate...

[chambers]

Let's look at the possibility of landing the #1 pick. Factors are, Philadelphia is going to get the top pick, no questions asked, IMO the lottery is fixed. How else did Cleveland win the lottery three years in a row. The Lakers have all the motive to tank the season and not win another game, if they fall out of the #3 pick, Philly owns their pick. So that leaves Simmons and Ingram already off the board. Brooklyn is most likely gonna hand the Celtics a top 5 pick at best for they are trying to win as much as possible to screw Boston for robbing their future. I say our only option is going to package both 2016 and 2018 1st round picks for a super star stud. My guess is its going to be a Anthony Davis/Demarcus Cousins. If we do trade for Cousins, we gotta sign him to a max deal.

Anthony Davis? I'll never get back the 25 seconds I spent reading that.

[Big333223]

3, yes.

1 or 2, probably not.

This seems like the safe answer. I don't watch college ball so I'm not sure how good Simmons and Ingram are/will be. But unless you think those guys have a good shot at someday soon being better than DMC is now, you probably make the trade. There just are not so many great big guys and it seems like DMC would be a good fit and put us into true contention.

Cousins is the most talented big man in the league and his skill set would actually fit perfectly with what Stevens does. But it would be weighing the gamble that a 26 year old man is going to change his entire personality versus the gamble that Simmons/Ingram is going to become an MVP candidate.

Tough call. I honestly don't know how to make the decision having not actually met Cousins. But I sure don't like him from where I'm sitting.

[PaulP34]

Let's look at the possibility of landing the #1 pick. Factors are, Philadelphia is going to get the top pick, no questions asked, IMO the lottery is fixed. How else did Cleveland win the lottery three years in a row. The Lakers have all the motive to tank the season and not win another game, if they fall out of the #3 pick, Philly owns their pick. So that leaves Simmons and Ingram already off the board. Brooklyn is most likely gonna hand the Celtics a top 5 pick at best for they are trying to win as much as possible to screw Boston for robbing their future. I say our only option is going to package both 2016 and 2018 1st round picks for a super star stud. My guess is its going to be a Anthony Davis/Demarcus Cousins. If we do trade for Cousins, we gotta sign him to a max deal.

Anthony Davis? I'll never get back the 25 seconds I spent reading that.

Lol, well sorry I robbed you 25 seconds of your precious time. I can say that is not nearly as bad as Ainge robbing Brooklyn. Is that why J-Z backed out of that ownership ? 😜 anyways, I'm not saying Since is gonna trade the future for Anthony Davis but he wants a big man that can be dominant on the boards. We can speculate 100 different formulas on which way he's gonna go. I'm just glad the trade for Phillies Okeafor fell through or we would be sitting on a injured player...

Did it really take u 25 seconds to read (Anthony Davis)? 😂

[PaulP34]

Just for the record, the trade for Demarcus Cousins is not the top goal here. Acquiring top talent to attract Kevin Durrant is. I'd almost guarantee that signing All Horford alone is not gonna work. And a Brandon Ingram or Ben Simons won't work either. But if we trade for ( Demarcus Cousins ) and sign (Al Horford ) along with a sure perimeter shooter like ( Kevin Martin ) and Draft a ( Scal Labissiere ), we could be that much more attractive to the final piece/prize in ( Kevin Durrant ). Just my thoughts.

Big

Al Horford C
Demarcus Cousins PF
Kevin Durrant SF
Kevin Martin SG
Isaiah Thomas PG

Small

Jae Crowder F
Kevin Durrant SF
Avery Bradley SG
Marcus Smart G
I. Thomas PG

[Jon]

wrong thread.

[PaulP34]

wrong thread.

Oh [dang] my mistake. I'm new here n still having quite a hard time with the board. Probly would help if I didn't post from my phone

[slamtheking]

Let's look at the possibility of landing the #1 pick. Factors are, Philadelphia is going to get the top pick, no questions asked, IMO the lottery is fixed. How else did Cleveland win the lottery three years in a row. The Lakers have all the motive to tank the season and not win another game, if they fall out of the #3 pick, Philly owns their pick. So that leaves Simmons and Ingram already off the board. Brooklyn is most likely gonna hand the Celtics a top 5 pick at best for they are trying to win as much as possible to screw Boston for robbing their future. I say our only option is going to package both 2016 and 2018 1st round picks for a super star stud. My guess is its going to be a Anthony Davis/Demarcus Cousins. If we do trade for Cousins, we gotta sign him to a max deal.

If Ainge trades Brooklyn's pick, it would be smart to package either the Dallas pick with the 2017 swap or our own pick with the swap to move up and draft Scale Labissiere ( who IMO will develop into the same player as Ingram ) of course at a cheaper rate...

just a couple of things:
1. The worst team rarely wins the lottery.  feel free to validate that for yourself.  it's been covered in numerous threads here so I'm not going to go post the historical lottery results for you.  Your own example of Cleveland winning the lottery 3 times is an excellent example of a team that can win the lottery without having the worst record.  Fixed?  ok, whatever.

2. Lakers have an incentive to tank?  well duh.  interesting how you concede the top pick to Philly yet the Lakers coming into the lottery at #2 suddenly have a chance to fork over their pick to Philly because 2 team could jump over them (but not Philly)

3. Brooklyn handing the C's a top 5 pick at best?  Brooklyn's tied for #3 going to the lottery right now and have a more difficult schedule than Phx the rest of the way.  C's figure to have #3 going into the lottery with a fair chance to move up (as well as a chance to slide back).  missing the top 5 would require 2 teams to jump them which is unlikely.

4. Packaging the picks? I have little doubt Danny is looking at all options to get top talent here.  Davis is a pipe dream.  NO isn't moving him unless he demands a trade.  He's not in a position this offseason to force that issue.  Cousins is a top player worth considering but his mental approach to the game/team is a concern at this point.  No matter what changes are made in Sac, he always seems to have issues.  A change of scenery may not resolve those issues.  As for adding either of those 2 players, consider the fact that just having them on the team in no way guarantees success --> hence the futility their current franchises have experienced in trying to get to the playoffs.