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Re: ESPN POWER RANKINGS
« Reply #15 on: October 26, 2015, 04:19:58 PM »

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I will be thrilled if we could get 2 top ten picks... that will be not ours

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« Reply #16 on: October 26, 2015, 04:31:51 PM »

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In all seriousness, why are we getting hype across websites now? There must be some reason for it... yet, I can't imagine an entire forum overlooking legitimate reasons we may be really good this season.
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« Reply #17 on: October 26, 2015, 04:34:22 PM »

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Seems optimistic.  Brooklyn in the bottom 2?  We can only dream.

You know, if you think Brooklyn is going to be better than we all think they will be, you should just come out and say it. Tell us how you really feel. There's no need to hold back.
I'll surprised if the Brooklyn pick ends up in the top 10.  Sure hope so, tho. 

Man... imagine if the pick actually did end up #2... how stupid will the Hornets look for passing up #16 (Rozier), #28 (Hunter), Brooklyn's #2 and other picks just to end up taking Kaminsky.  Oof.

I still doubt the validity of Danny offering up the 2016 Brooklyn pick, among others, to Charlotte. That just seems totally against Danny's philosophy of not making panic moves just to make a move.

Yeah, rumors were "a" Brooklyn pick.  Seriously doubt it was the next one.  More likely 2018.

2018 makes a lot more sense.

The Nets will probably be up to the newly-huge cap in 2018 with as many mediocre-to-decent veterans as they can sign.  That's probably gonna be a mid 1st round pick.
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« Reply #18 on: October 26, 2015, 05:06:11 PM »

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29th for #2 draft odds  is low for Brooklyn.

I'm more with Tankcity. I think that Brooklyn will fall in the 7-12 range (which is a big range, if you asked me to narrow it down is guess 7-10)

I think people look at Brooklyn as a hugely depressing basketball organization in that they have no hope of competing and no first rounders. This is true but I think it tends to lead to exaggerations into how bad they actually arE.


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« Reply #19 on: October 26, 2015, 05:47:16 PM »

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The pre-season buzz is a bit hyperbolic for the Celts.  I think they'll be a middle of the road team, but placing them ahead of the Wizards and putting them right there in contention with the Raps for the Atlantic Division seems premature.

Deep though they may be, the Celtics still lack top end talent, so I expect them to have their ups and down and finish close to .500. 

The Raps may have underwhelmed in the playoffs yet again, but they've still won 48 and 49 games the last two seasons, and they might be better this year.  The Wizards have John Wall.  I think the Pacers will be right there with the Celts, too, thanks to the return of Paul George.


I sure hope they're right about the Nets.  I still think not having any reason to tank makes a difference, especially in the East.  Hard to get a bottom 5 record when you have no reason not to try to win as many games as possible.  It's not like they have any younger players that need to see the floor.  The vets in Brooklyn will get all the floor time they could ever want and then plenty more.

The sudden rise in our projected finish (from fighting for the 8th seed a couple months ago seemingly everywhere to middle of the playoff pack or better seemingly everywhere now) kind of worries me a bit as EvanTime said, but I think it's more in line with what's realistic.

After the carousel of trades ended and the core of our current team (Smart, Crowder, Thomas, Olynyk, Bradley, Zeller, Turner) was in place getting good PT, this team went 24-12 and managed to finish the season one game under .500. After starting the season like a sure fire top half of the lottery team. I really don't think it would be much of a stretch to say that great play continues to some degree this year to the tune of 45-47 or 8 wins. I think it's actually more of a stretch to say the C's don't continue building on last year and barely scrap .500. Were one of the youngest teams in the league.

But also, we improved on a lot of our weaknesses. IMO, our biggest weaknesses last year were interior defense, rebounding and scoring. I think we're learning that Amir is a really valuable player who does a lot of things really well including interior defense. We had a middle of the pack defense last year even though we had pretty bad interior defense. With the addition of Amir, the ability to play one of Johnson/Zeller almost all the time, an improved Kelly Olynyk and Jordan Mickey available in case of injury or ineffectiveness we could certainly field a top 10 defense.

As far as rebounding goes, Sully was really our only plus rebounder on the team and considering his physical limitations, we got eaten alive on the boards far too often last year. Now with Amir and David Lee, who are both plus rebounders (and Mickey on reserve) we can have one or two plus rebounders out on the floor nearly all the time. Lee also brings a scoring/playmaking ability to the starters this year that will really help the offense. Running some plays through him in the high post can help ease Smart into the lead ball handling role and he can provide a go-to scoring option when you need a bucket. Bradley will be able to be more efficient in his reduced role, Smart will continue to improve, so will Crowder and Zeller to a degree. Plus with improvement from Olynyk off the bench and the IT/Amir P&R combo our bench is going to be more devastating than ever. We've really improved in areas that were our biggest weaknesses last year.

When you combine all that with having Stevens, one of the brightest young minds in the league and a team culture that's all about effort, tenacity and bringing it every night, I think it's more likely we win 47-49 games for the 5th or 6th seed than go 40-42 and barely scrape into the playoffs. And the pre- season kinda reinforced that notion with more national outlets taking notice.

To me though, the biggest development of the pre-season is just how bad the Nets really look. There one Lopez injury from being a genuine, 100% dumpster fire that would be one of the worst teams in the league. As is, they'll be lucky to give us anything higher than a top-ten pick. If they start slow, which they certainly could considering their schedule, that pick will gain some serious value by the deadline. Start praying for the Kings to implode. There's a real legit chance we could make the 2nd round of the playoffs and get a top 5 pick from Brooklyn. I think you could make a case that there's at least a 1 in. 3 or 50/50 chance of that happening.
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Re: ESPN POWER RANKINGS
« Reply #20 on: October 26, 2015, 05:48:26 PM »

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29th for #2 draft odds  is low for Brooklyn.

I'm more with Tankcity. I think that Brooklyn will fall in the 7-12 range (which is a big range, if you asked me to narrow it down is guess 7-10)

I think people look at Brooklyn as a hugely depressing basketball organization in that they have no hope of competing and no first rounders. This is true but I think it tends to lead to exaggerations into how bad they actually arE.

I think the thing with the Nets is that when you look around the East, everybody else is arguably at least a tiny bit improved from last season and could make a move or two to get better.  While the Nets lost Deron Williams for nothing and can almost only get worse as the season goes along.

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« Reply #21 on: October 26, 2015, 06:01:38 PM »

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I think we'll be solid this year but I'm surprised we're ranked ahead of the Bucks and Wiz. Love seeing the Nets at 29, hopefully they'll be 30 by the end of the year with an 0-82 record... Can always dream :)

Best case scenario actually is Nets winning the lottery from the #29 or better position and the Sixers ending at #30 -- giving the C's the 1st pick in the 2nd round.

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« Reply #22 on: October 26, 2015, 06:08:07 PM »

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If these rankings are somewhere near the ballpark for C's, Nets and Mavs, the future looks exciting.  Already at mediocrity with a very young team, two 2016 lottery picks, our own 2016 pick around 17, and plenty of cap space.  Whether Danny goes patience/development or big impact trade, possibilities abound.

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« Reply #23 on: October 26, 2015, 06:43:57 PM »

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Seems optimistic.  Brooklyn in the bottom 2?  We can only dream.

You know, if you think Brooklyn is going to be better than we all think they will be, you should just come out and say it. Tell us how you really feel. There's no need to hold back.
I'll surprised if the Brooklyn pick ends up in the top 10.  Sure hope so, tho. 

Man... imagine if the pick actually did end up #2... how stupid will the Hornets look for passing up #16 (Rozier), #28 (Hunter), Brooklyn's #2 and other picks just to end up taking Kaminsky.  Oof.

Wasn't it the 2018 Nets pick that was rumored to be in the package?

Anyhoo, I think the Nets finish with a better than bottom 10 record is less likely than finishing bottom 3.

It would have been difficult for Billy King to do a better job setting them up for failure. I mean he could have let Lopez and Young go, but that would have been too obvious (and Lopez' right foot has great potential anyways).  But paying D-Will to go away, signing 4 of the worst guys from 4 of the 5 worst teams in the league last year, and burning two roster spots on injured rooks (McCullough and Reed) when all he's got behind Lopez and Young is T-Rob and Bargs? That's artistry.
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« Reply #24 on: October 26, 2015, 08:17:46 PM »

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The pre-season buzz is a bit hyperbolic for the Celts.  I think they'll be a middle of the road team, but placing them ahead of the Wizards and putting them right there in contention with the Raps for the Atlantic Division seems premature.

Deep though they may be, the Celtics still lack top end talent, so I expect them to have their ups and down and finish close to .500. 

The Raps may have underwhelmed in the playoffs yet again, but they've still won 48 and 49 games the last two seasons, and they might be better this year.  The Wizards have John Wall.  I think the Pacers will be right there with the Celts, too, thanks to the return of Paul George.


I sure hope they're right about the Nets.  I still think not having any reason to tank makes a difference, especially in the East.  Hard to get a bottom 5 record when you have no reason not to try to win as many games as possible.  It's not like they have any younger players that need to see the floor.  The vets in Brooklyn will get all the floor time they could ever want and then plenty more.

Other than the Sixers, though, I don't really see any other Eastern conference teams looking to "tank."
Most of the younger teams--Orlando, Detroit, Milwaukee, Charlotte--seem to be in spots where they probably feel that they gain more by starting to turn their young players into winners than taking their chances at the lottery yet again. 

The Knicks have a healthy and motivated Melo.  They aren't tanking on purpose. 

Nobody is going to gift the Nets wins.  The bottom line is that on paper they look pretty bad.  It certainly feels good to know that it's not just us being complete homers that has us thinking the Nets are going to suck royally.  You'll have to dig fairly deep to find a NBA projection that doesn't have the Nets near the very bottom.

I know that optimism is hard for some of you guys, but there sure seems to be plenty of legitimate reason for it heading into this season. 
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« Reply #25 on: October 26, 2015, 09:56:26 PM »

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Might be a little high. It's making me nervous how high everyone is projecting us. I wish we were more under the radar

Spot on.
I could very well see the Hawks... starting Taurean Prince at the 3, who is already better than Crowder, imo.

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« Reply #26 on: October 26, 2015, 10:30:11 PM »

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Seems optimistic.  Brooklyn in the bottom 2?  We can only dream.

You know, if you think Brooklyn is going to be better than we all think they will be, you should just come out and say it. Tell us how you really feel. There's no need to hold back.
I'll surprised if the Brooklyn pick ends up in the top 10.  Sure hope so, tho. 

Man... imagine if the pick actually did end up #2... how stupid will the Hornets look for passing up #16 (Rozier), #28 (Hunter), Brooklyn's #2 and other picks just to end up taking Kaminsky.  Oof.

Wasn't it the 2018 Nets pick that was rumored to be in the package?

Dunno... according to Simmons, we offered 4 first round picks... and multiple sources have said at least one Brooklyn pick was included.  My guess is #16, #28, a Brooklyn pick and another 1st were included.

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« Reply #27 on: October 26, 2015, 10:32:08 PM »

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In all seriousness, why are we getting hype across websites now? There must be some reason for it... yet, I can't imagine an entire forum overlooking legitimate reasons we may be really good this season.
My girlfriend's dad had season tickets to the Seattle Mariners this year.  I ended up going to probably 20 games.  Pre-season projections had us as one of the favorites... The Mariners ended up sucking.

Screw this pre-season projection jinx.  We're probably winning 34 games and Brooklyn is probably sneaking into the playoffs.

All this media love feels like an over-correction for people who undervalue advanced metrics.  OoOO Amir Johnson's advanced defensive stats show he's the impact player Boston needs!  Look at all that depth!  I get it, I'm just saying that on old school paper, this team is garbage.  Our best player just spent the playoffs averaging 9 minutes off the bench with 9 coach decision DNP's.   It's nice that we're living in a new world where Brandon Wright is legitimate trade chip, but convention wisdom says this Boston team is a bottomfeeder.  Here's hoping conventional wisdom is dead wrong.  I'm a pessimist and even I buy into the advanced metric koolaid that we're winning 45+ this year.   It makes me feel dirty.
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« Reply #28 on: October 26, 2015, 11:26:11 PM »

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i agree with brooklyn at the bottom 4 team

but celtics over wizards + bucks

wiz and bucks have some pretty good young talent

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« Reply #29 on: October 26, 2015, 11:38:42 PM »

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I'm just saying that on old school paper, this team is garbage.  Our best player just spent the playoffs averaging 9 minutes off the bench with 9 coach decision DNP's.   It's nice that we're living in a new world where Brandon Wright is legitimate trade chip, but convention wisdom says this Boston team is a bottomfeeder.

Even on old school paper, this team looks decent.  Smart, Bradley, Thomas, Lee, Crowder, Zeller, Amir, ET (the way he's played in Boston) and even Sully and KO have all looked like guys who are or will be at least top 8 or 9 quality rotation players in the NBA.  The problem is that outside of Smart and an in-shape Sully, none of them look like quality starters on a great team.  But that is somewhat made up for by having a greatish coach.

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