Who has more potential Anthony Bennet or Perry Jones III

[Eja117]

the perry jones love is funny.

Yep.  It really is.

I think it's more tragic actually

[chambers]

the perry jones love is funny.

Yep.  It really is.

I think it's more tragic actually

In the same tragedy basket as Bennet being better than Vonleh and Plumlee? 

[Eja117]

the perry jones love is funny.

Yep.  It really is.

I think it's more tragic actually

In the same tragedy basket as Bennet being better than Vonleh and Plumlee? 

No. It's not even close. PJ3 has had a very long injury free time to contribute in this league.

That would be more akin to suggesting Sebastian Telfair or Hasheem Thabeet is better than those guys.

A Bennet hasn't had anywhere near the same amount of time. That would be closer to suggesting CJ McCollum or Alex Len or Otto Poter or Shabbaz Muhammed is better than them. Maybe at most you could stretch it out to a Jeremy Lamb

Also did Vonleh win some sort of 2nd team all rookie thing when I wasn't looking? Or did he just have a good summer league? Didn't Bennett have a good summer league his 2nd year?

[TheSundanceKid]

For our team PJIII has more potential. Bennett wouldn't come anywhere near cracking our rotation of bigs so what would be the point? As Danny said when he introduced PJIII, he offers something different. The question is whether he can show enough in training camp to prove that it's worthwhile trying to get it out of him.

I mean seriously, even if we trade one of our bigs, where would Bennett fit in the rotation? And therefore what would be the point in signing him?

[Eja117]

It would be the exact same point as having James Young or Terry Rozier. You find excellent young talent, and give it time to develop. Eventually somebody gets hurt or he surpasses someone. It's entirely possible next year D Lee is outta here and so is Amir and so is Sully, and maybe even KO. Or one of them gets hurt real bad.  You gotta look ahead more than half a year.

The Patriots once had the same problem with whether or not to keep yet a 4th QB on their roster. 4th QBs don't have a great track record in the NFL, and you never need one. Saw the talent. Kept him anyway. It worked out fine.

[TheSundanceKid]

It would be the exact same point as having James Young or Terry Rozier. You find excellent young talent, and give it time to develop. Eventually somebody gets hurt or he surpasses someone. It's entirely possible next year D Lee is outta here and so is Amir and so is Sully, and maybe even KO. Or one of them gets hurt real bad.  You gotta look ahead more than half a year.

The Patriots once had the same problem with whether or not to keep yet a 4th QB on their roster. 4th QBs don't have a great track record in the NFL, and you never need one. Saw the talent. Kept him anyway. It worked out fine.

When you said excellent young talent I had to pause.. that is never going to be Bennett. Not his fault he was picked number 1 but he was never going to be a top player in that draft. And that was a weak draft too.
Although I get your point that next year our bigs lineup will be different. But I disagree on one front. They will be gone if they are packaged for a big name, otherwise Johnson will be kept as a large expiring, KO will be on his rookie contract an extra year and Danny will 100% not let Sully walk whilst getting nothing in return. Same with Zeller. So it's not like we'll suddenly have a torn down roster.

Bennett's "successful" summer with the Canadian national team was in a role as an effort rebounder. It's not like he's flashing solid dribble moves or showing of any kind of hook shot or post move. At least the other young prospects can point to something as evidence of a potential elite skill:

Rozier - Athleticism
Young - 3 point shooting (although I admit this can be highly debated)
Jones - Scoring and defensive versatility

Disclaimer: I said potential, I'm not saying they are elite in those skills, just that they could get there with the right mentality and coaching.

Basically I guess that's a long winded way of saying I don't think Bennett will ever be a star but our current young prospects might.

[Celtics4ever]

Bennett's "successful" summer with the Canadian national team was in a role as an effort rebounder. It's not like he's flashing solid dribble moves or showing of any kind of hook shot or post move. At least the other young prospects can point to something as evidence of a potential elite skill:

You mean this qualifying tournament that they lost where he posted

Main Statistics
Points per Game   7.6
Rebounds per Game   5.4
Assists per Game   1.2

Sundance, In what world is 5 RPG a success?  Granted he played 17 MPG a game.   But he was no show the last two.

http://www.fiba.com/pages/eng/fa/player/p/pid/75916/pid2//sid/8062/tid/257/tid2//_/2015_FIBA_Americas_Championship_for_Men_Olympic_Qualifying_Tournament/index.html

These are the stats from the "summer" tournament.

[crimson_stallion]

Bennett's "successful" summer with the Canadian national team was in a role as an effort rebounder. It's not like he's flashing solid dribble moves or showing of any kind of hook shot or post move. At least the other young prospects can point to something as evidence of a potential elite skill:

You mean this qualifying tournament that they lost where he posted

Main Statistics
Points per Game   7.6
Rebounds per Game   5.4
Assists per Game   1.2

Sundance, In what world is 5 RPG a success?  Granted he played 17 MPG a game.   But he was no show the last two.

http://www.fiba.com/pages/eng/fa/player/p/pid/75916/pid2//sid/8062/tid/257/tid2//_/2015_FIBA_Americas_Championship_for_Men_Olympic_Qualifying_Tournament/index.html

These are the stats from the "summer" tournament.

My bigger concern is that he only played 17 MPG...

He was one of only four NBA players on that roster IIRC, so you would think he'd be starting for them.  Or at least playing >25 MPG.

I mean KO only averaged around 20 MPG for the Celtics this year, and he was far and away the best player on that Canada team.  So if Bennett can't earn more than 17 mintutes a night on that same team...well, it doesn't say much for him does it?

Yet most people seem to think KO doesn't have upside, and Bennett does.  Go figure.  Amazing what getting drafted #1 does for a person - even if you are hot trash, people still want to give you a chance.  Bennett owes the Cav's big time - if they weren't complete morons and didn't draft Bennett 1st overall, then he'd undoubtedly be in the D-League right now! 

[crimson_stallion]

No. It's not even close. PJ3 has had a very long injury free time to contribute in this league.

That would be more akin to suggesting Sebastian Telfair or Hasheem Thabeet is better than those guys.

A Bennet hasn't had anywhere near the same amount of time. That would be closer to suggesting CJ McCollum or Alex Len or Otto Poter or Shabbaz Muhammed is better than them. Maybe at most you could stretch it out to a Jeremy Lamb

Also did Vonleh win some sort of 2nd team all rookie thing when I wasn't looking? Or did he just have a good summer league? Didn't Bennett have a good summer league his 2nd year?

Oh come on...

Perry Jones spent the first two seasons of his career playing behind Kevin Durant and Serge Ibaka on a contending Western Conference powerhouse.  No perimeter-oriented SF/PF rookie stands a chance of getting playing under those circumstances.

On the other hand Bennett spent the first two seasons of his career playing for the lottery bound Cleveland Cavs (behind Luol Deng and Tristan Thompson) and Minnesota Timberwolves (behind Theddeus Young and Gorgeiu Dieng). 

Even TRYING to argue that Jones had as much opportunity as Bennett is would be embarrassingly laughable.

The Bennett supporters will quickly bring up Jones' third year, when Durant was injured and he still struggled to get substantial playing time.  Well that OKC team was still a playoff contender in the West and far, far better than any team Bennett has ever played on.   

Plus all this basically means that Jones has had one season where he's had a legit shot at earning a role, and didn't.  Bennett has had two such years, so the argument does not go in his favor

ANYBODY who plans to try and tell me Bennett didn't have opportunity to earn playing time when playing on the hot-garbage Cavs and Timberwolves please...do yourself a favor and save the energy.  Much as I always appreciate a good laugh, I've already had my share today. 

[chambers]

No. It's not even close. PJ3 has had a very long injury free time to contribute in this league.

That would be more akin to suggesting Sebastian Telfair or Hasheem Thabeet is better than those guys.

A Bennet hasn't had anywhere near the same amount of time. That would be closer to suggesting CJ McCollum or Alex Len or Otto Poter or Shabbaz Muhammed is better than them. Maybe at most you could stretch it out to a Jeremy Lamb

Also did Vonleh win some sort of 2nd team all rookie thing when I wasn't looking? Or did he just have a good summer league? Didn't Bennett have a good summer league his 2nd year?

Oh come on...

Perry Jones spent the first two seasons of his career playing behind Kevin Durant and Serge Ibaka on a contending Western Conference powerhouse.  No perimeter-oriented SF/PF rookie stands a chance of getting playing under those circumstances.

On the other hand Bennett spent the first two seasons of his career playing for the lottery bound Cleveland Cavs (behind Luol Deng and Tristan Thompson) and Minnesota Timberwolves (behind Theddeus Young and Gorgeiu Dieng). 

Even TRYING to argue that Jones had as much opportunity as Bennett is would be embarrassingly laughable.

The Bennett supporters will quickly bring up Jones' third year, when Durant was injured and he still struggled to get substantial playing time.  Well that OKC team was still a playoff contender in the West and far, far better than any team Bennett has ever played on.   

Plus all this basically means that Jones has had one season where he's had a legit shot at earning a role, and didn't.  Bennett has had two such years, so the argument does not go in his favor

ANYBODY who plans to try and tell me Bennett didn't have opportunity to earn playing time when playing on the hot-garbage Cavs and Timberwolves please...do yourself a favor and save the energy.  Much as I always appreciate a good laugh, I've already had my share today.

Pretty much my sentiments too.

I mean I don't think Jones is going to be a world beater and probably won't ever be a starter in the NBA but Anthony Bennett just sucks. He's tuuurrrrible.

[Eja117]

Bennett's "successful" summer with the Canadian national team was in a role as an effort rebounder. It's not like he's flashing solid dribble moves or showing of any kind of hook shot or post move. At least the other young prospects can point to something as evidence of a potential elite skill:

You mean this qualifying tournament that they lost where he posted

Main Statistics
Points per Game   7.6
Rebounds per Game   5.4
Assists per Game   1.2

Sundance, In what world is 5 RPG a success?  Granted he played 17 MPG a game.   But he was no show the last two.

http://www.fiba.com/pages/eng/fa/player/p/pid/75916/pid2//sid/8062/tid/257/tid2//_/2015_FIBA_Americas_Championship_for_Men_Olympic_Qualifying_Tournament/index.html

These are the stats from the "summer" tournament.

I'm a little confused. Are people trying to say here if PJ3 or Alex Len or Jordan Mickey or someone played 17 mpg in FIBA this summer they would have had better stats than this?

[jambr380]

Gotta say that I am not totally psyched that the Raptors signed Bennett. I guess we made our choice first by taking a flier on PJIII. Hopefully that decision doesn't come back to bite us in the fight for the division.

[Vermont Green]

Gotta say that I am not totally psyched that the Raptors signed Bennett. I guess we made our choice first by taking a flier on PJIII. Hopefully that decision doesn't come back to bite us in the fight for the division.

I hadn't seen this.  It makes a lot of sense for both.  The following was a comment from the ESPN story:

The move to Toronto, after a strong summer with the Canadian national team, might be the spark Bennett needs to kick-start his career after rough stints with the Cavaliers and Timberwolves.

Strong Summer?  Hmmmm.

Trying to compare Jones and Bennett is hard.  Both have been pretty bad so far.  I am happy we are giving Jones a look but it is hard to expect much.  I don't see all that much potential in either but you never know.

[SHAQATTACK]

My Beagle caught another bunny

I doubt either of them could

[ahonui06]

I believe PJIII has more potential than Bennett but that's not saying much.