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Re: Sully isn't going anywhere
« Reply #15 on: August 17, 2015, 11:25:52 AM »

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It's not like Sully is Clay Buchholz here.  I don't trust Clay.  Sully is only 23  years old.  I think it's a bad move to trade him.  Ainge has balked at guys like tony allen and rondo wanting the max.  Tony Allen should have been resigned.   He gave AB an extension and I hope the same happens here.

Re: Sully isn't going anywhere
« Reply #16 on: August 17, 2015, 11:30:02 AM »

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Sully and Zeller are likely goners.
I'd rather have Zeller leave than Sully but I agree with you those are the most two likely to go. All the rest of our bigs either have 3 point range (besides David Lee)
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Re: Sully isn't going anywhere
« Reply #17 on: August 17, 2015, 11:30:26 AM »

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Sully at 10-12 million he could legitamently outplay that contract if he starts coming into his own but this year will be telling.

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« Reply #18 on: August 17, 2015, 11:32:07 AM »

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Danny cant keep sully, ko, zeller

Something has to give. 

Lee is not part of the long term plan

Amir, ko, mickey, jerebko, trade or draft (key piece) is my guess

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« Reply #19 on: August 17, 2015, 11:32:40 AM »

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It's not like Sully is Clay Buchholz here.  I don't trust Clay.  Sully is only 23  years old.  I think it's a bad move to trade him.  Ainge has balked at guys like tony allen and rondo wanting the max.  Tony Allen should have been resigned.   He gave AB an extension and I hope the same happens here.

Wait a minute I thought the Celtics thought more like you? If that's the case, wouldn't Tony Allen have been re-signed?

Seriously though, Tony Allen leaving the Celtics was not on Danny. TA wanted a bigger role than he had on the Celtics because he felt "overshadowed". He knew he was going to be relegated to the bench for Ray which he didn't want to do. Get your facts straight nostradamus.

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« Reply #20 on: August 17, 2015, 11:33:53 AM »

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Team d and general play was better after sully injury

Maybe things will change with his improved body. Wont bank on it though

Re: Sully isn't going anywhere
« Reply #21 on: August 17, 2015, 11:34:20 AM »

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I'm interested to see how he can be as an interior presence.  Lee is good insurance but we still want sully to do well.  If his fg percentage goes up this year and he stays on teh court.

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« Reply #22 on: August 17, 2015, 11:36:14 AM »

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Sully at 10-12 million he could legitamently outplay that contract if he starts coming into his own but this year will be telling.

Yeah I don't think he wants it enough. I think Ainge's threat of him losing money because of how he's sucking up the joint will be good enough to get him to lose weight in the offseason. But he'll probably lose the habit during the season when things get more difficult, make a billion excuses like he's already done so far. I see so much leadership potential in him and literally nothing he has done in his career to this point screams out "leader" at all. Just a real shame.
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« Reply #23 on: August 17, 2015, 11:37:41 AM »

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I find it hard to believe that the team really sees developing Sullinger, Olynyk, and Zeller as much of a priority given that they signed Amir Johnson and traded for David Lee. 

The two things together just don't make logical sense to me.

I'm sure Danny would love for Sully and / or Olynyk to beat out the veterans ahead of them in the rotation, but giving them 30+ minutes a night to develop into the consistent performers we hope they will become is not going to be a focus.
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« Reply #24 on: August 17, 2015, 11:39:15 AM »

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He's in a contract year.  He's in good shape.  Probably is going to get a nice extension with us and be our first star out of the gate. David Lee is probably going to be relagated to the bench as a hardworker type and veteran  leader.  Amir same thing.  I don't see these guys coming in and taking starting jobs away from Sully and Zeller.  I think they are here to do the dirty work and push guys like that.

Regarding the bolded sections: I hope not. Lee was an All-Star just a couple seasons ago, and Amir is the best defensive big on the team.
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Re: Sully isn't going anywhere
« Reply #25 on: August 17, 2015, 11:40:25 AM »

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He's in a contract year.  He's in good shape.  Probably is going to get a nice extension with us and be our first star out of the gate. David Lee is probably going to be relagated to the bench as a hardworker type and veteran  leader.  Amir same thing.  I don't see these guys coming in and taking starting jobs away from Sully and Zeller.  I think they are here to do the dirty work and push guys like that.

Regarding the bolded sections: I hope not. Lee was an All-Star just a couple seasons ago, and Amir is the best defensive big on the team.

Dont expect alot from Lee. He is not the same player.  He cant shoot which is another problem in regards to "fit"

Re: Sully isn't going anywhere
« Reply #26 on: August 17, 2015, 11:40:54 AM »

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Lee and Sully are somewhat redundant.  Lee is 32 years old.  Unless we are getting Anthony Davis or Marc Gasol to pair with Lee which isn't happening, I more see Lee as insurance to push Sully to do well.  Maybe Cousins is coming here for Sully but I'll  believe it when I see it.  That stuff is so far fetched right now.

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« Reply #27 on: August 17, 2015, 11:43:49 AM »

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He's in a contract year.  He's in good shape.  Probably is going to get a nice extension with us and be our first star out of the gate. David Lee is probably going to be relagated to the bench as a hardworker type and veteran  leader.  Amir same thing.  I don't see these guys coming in and taking starting jobs away from Sully and Zeller.  I think they are here to do the dirty work and push guys like that.

Regarding the bolded sections: I hope not. Lee was an All-Star just a couple seasons ago, and Amir is the best defensive big on the team.

Dont expect alot from Lee. He is not the same player.  He cant shoot which is another problem in regards to "fit"

David Lee, who "cant shoot [sic]" was a better shooter than Jared Sullinger last season.
http://bkref.com/tiny/IvS7h

Or, rather, he had a higher field goal percentage, which is not the same thing, however their shot charts indicate that perhaps Lee was taking smarter attempts and converting more of them:
http://vorped.com/1-nba/2014-2015/player/1464/jared-sullinger/shotchart/
http://vorped.com/1-nba/2014-2015/player/1038/david-lee/shotchart/
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Re: Sully isn't going anywhere
« Reply #28 on: August 17, 2015, 11:54:14 AM »

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That's a true statement.  Discuss away though at your hearts content.
  It is not a true statement until it happens.   I too, do not think he is going anywhere but I think he will have to earn his keep this year.   No more lazy play, not running the court, chucking a three early in the possession.   

Also, things to keep in mind, Sully is a our worst shooting big,   that isn't just threes, folks.  That being said he is also our best rebounder.  I think he looks thinner but he looks still earthbound and slow in the videos we have seen from this summer.   He still has a ways to go, but he will never be a stud athletic-wise.

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I'm far more optimistic about Sullinger than many on this board. He appears to be working hard this offseason to get in shape. He'll never have a "classic" basketball shape but he looks far fitter than he has. His work with John Lucas can only help him. If he's healthy - and that's the big if - I think he'll take the next step and could end up putting up 18/10 type numbers in 30 minutes or so.

I doubt he will ever be in classic basketball shape.   The man is built like a pear.  He does look like he is getting in better shape but his body type is not your typical basketball player body with wide shoulders and narrow hips.  That kind of body is not good at running but does well with that rump at rebounding.

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He will still be a slow and incredibly earthbound player. Not to mention if Sully has even a reasonable year he's gonna be worth 10-12M at least. I am not interested in paying that for him. I don't trust him and I don't see how anyone else could at this point.

I agree.   I know some hear claim want Blake Griffin athletic ability from him.  That is never going to happen.   He is such a poor athlete, in terms of footspeed and vertical.  I think he will be better able to compete some if he is in better shape.  But he is not athlete by any means.   He struggles on D to help and contain penetration.   He is not a guy you really build around as a central cog, as a result.   Good PFs defend better and most of them shoot a whole lot better than Sully. 

He is 21st in 2 point FG %, the bottom third of the league for PF at .49% which is great if your not a big.   He is 19th in overall FG% which is not a stud by any means which was 44%. 

http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/player/_/stat/field-goals/position/power-forwards

He does not even make the list on 3 Point shooting for PF.  So well under 20th on that stat as well.

http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/player/_/stat/3-points/sort/threePointFieldGoalPct/position/power-forwards

He is top 11 in rebounds for a PF which is good.

http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/player/_/stat/rebounds/position/power-forwards

 14th in Scoring, not elite but not shabby by any means but hardly the most efficient scorer with his FG% and especially three point misses.

http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/player/_/stat/scoring-per-game/position/power-forwards

I also think those three point misses hamper his great strength which is rebounding.

So low to mid teens in his strengths, which is solid but he has many weaknesses as well.   I wonder if Ainge trusts him with it being a contact year.   Why didn't he do this earlier in his career?  He did not, of course, I do not want another Mark Blount situation, where he only plays hard his contract years.

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Sully and Zeller are likely goners.

We can hope on the former, I suppose.   But I agree, things may be a lot harder to earn the starter position with Amir and Mickey hounding his butt in practice.   The same is true of Olynyk.   Those guys have skills but it will be harder to get past  the competition this year.  Lee is a poor defender but he is a better rebounder, shooter and scorer than Sully.  He was benched last year, it is possible he is decline.  But he may have been replaced by other players.

I want to the best five, to play for us, even if that means Sully.   I trust CBS will determine this and play them accordingly.   I would yank Sully the moment he takes a play off, this next year.  Prior to this year, CBS really did not have a lot of great options when this happened so he sometimes left him in.  That won't be the case this year.

Don't think the Celtics Brass did not notice that our team won a lot of games without Sully.   Was this solely because of his injury, nope.   IT really helped.   But the team did get quicker and we did play better D.

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Re: Sully isn't going anywhere
« Reply #29 on: August 17, 2015, 12:07:13 PM »

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If Ainge sees a deal for Sully that he thinks is a good deal, he's going to trade him. (Edit:) And if he doesn't see a good deal, he won't. (End edit.) That's what Ainge does, that's what Ainge has always done, and that is almost certainly what Ainge will continue to do. There's a reason why he's "trader Danny" and not "Should have been the GM of the Utah Jazz" Danny.

I agree completely, with the inserted caveat.
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