Sully isn't going anywhere

[mmmmm]

Team d and general play was better after sully injury

Gee, I wonder what other roster changes occurred at almost that exact same time?

[Tr1boy]

Team d and general play was better after sully injury

Gee, I wonder what other roster changes occurred at almost that exact same time?

Even with obtaining IT , our team D and overall play was smoother/better (no jacking ill advised 3s for example)

Sully at best is an off the bench guy in this league. But his agent will want near starters money.   Sully also is not a great fit under cbs system.

Imo he is going to be showcased and traded as soon as danny gets a decent offer

[rocknrollforyoursoul]

He's in a contract year.  He's in good shape.  Probably is going to get a nice extension with us and be our first star out of the gate. David Lee is probably going to be relagated to the bench as a hardworker type and veteran  leader.  Amir same thing.  I don't see these guys coming in and taking starting jobs away from Sully and Zeller.  I think they are here to do the dirty work and push guys like that.

Regarding the bolded sections: I hope not. Lee was an All-Star just a couple seasons ago, and Amir is the best defensive big on the team.

Dont expect alot from Lee. He is not the same player.  He cant shoot which is another problem in regards to "fit"

I am, in fact, expecting a lot—not necessarily 20 points and 10 rebounds per game, but at least 15 and 7, so long as he gets a reasonable number of minutes, which I think he should.

He might not be a good outside shooter (I have no idea; haven't looked at his numbers), but he's a GREAT inside shooter, and even though CBS and the NBA in general have gone more to a pace-and-space offense, I think teams still need an inside offensive presence, and Lee provides that.

[D.o.s.]

You can check out his shot chart on the previous page. 

[BudweiserCeltic]

He's in a contract year.  He's in good shape.  Probably is going to get a nice extension with us and be our first star out of the gate. David Lee is probably going to be relagated to the bench as a hardworker type and veteran  leader.  Amir same thing.  I don't see these guys coming in and taking starting jobs away from Sully and Zeller.  I think they are here to do the dirty work and push guys like that.

Regarding the bolded sections: I hope not. Lee was an All-Star just a couple seasons ago, and Amir is the best defensive big on the team.

Dont expect alot from Lee. He is not the same player.  He cant shoot which is another problem in regards to "fit"

David Lee, who "cant shoot [sic]" was a better shooter than Jared Sullinger last season.
http://bkref.com/tiny/IvS7h

Or, rather, he had a higher field goal percentage, which is not the same thing, however their shot charts indicate that perhaps Lee was taking smarter attempts and converting more of them:
http://vorped.com/1-nba/2014-2015/player/1464/jared-sullinger/shotchart/
http://vorped.com/1-nba/2014-2015/player/1038/david-lee/shotchart/

Sully took 48% of his shots from inside the paint, Lee took 79% of his shots from inside the paint.

In general Sullinger is currently a better shooter than Lee, though Lee has been successful from mid-range in the past, though a bit inconsistent season to season.

Also, from players that take mid-range shots with a semblance of regularity, Sullinger is among the top 15 players from the mid-range, about top 8 between PF/Cs.

Of course, this comes with the caveat of players that didn't reach the numbers due to lack of playing time/injuries but it should give an idea that Sullinger's mid-range shot is widely understated around here.

[rocknrollforyoursoul]

You can check out his shot chart on the previous page. 

Ha, that'll teach me to not read through the whole thread. 

[D.o.s.]

He's in a contract year.  He's in good shape.  Probably is going to get a nice extension with us and be our first star out of the gate. David Lee is probably going to be relagated to the bench as a hardworker type and veteran  leader.  Amir same thing.  I don't see these guys coming in and taking starting jobs away from Sully and Zeller.  I think they are here to do the dirty work and push guys like that.

Regarding the bolded sections: I hope not. Lee was an All-Star just a couple seasons ago, and Amir is the best defensive big on the team.

Dont expect alot from Lee. He is not the same player.  He cant shoot which is another problem in regards to "fit"

David Lee, who "cant shoot [sic]" was a better shooter than Jared Sullinger last season.
http://bkref.com/tiny/IvS7h

Or, rather, he had a higher field goal percentage, which is not the same thing, however their shot charts indicate that perhaps Lee was taking smarter attempts and converting more of them:
http://vorped.com/1-nba/2014-2015/player/1464/jared-sullinger/shotchart/
http://vorped.com/1-nba/2014-2015/player/1038/david-lee/shotchart/

Sully took 48% of his shots from inside the paint, Lee took 79% of his shots from inside the paint.

In general Sullinger is currently a better shooter than Lee, though Lee has been successful from mid-range in the past, though a bit inconsistent season to season.

Also, from players that take mid-range shots with a semblance of regularity, Sullinger is among the top 15 players from the mid-range, about top 8 between PF/Cs.

Of course, this comes with the caveat of players that didn't reach the numbers due to lack of playing time/injuries but it should give an idea that Sullinger's mid-range shot is widely understated around here.

Yeah that's why I added the addendum about FG% (and by extension TS% and eFG%) with the shot charts.

[BudweiserCeltic]

He's in a contract year.  He's in good shape.  Probably is going to get a nice extension with us and be our first star out of the gate. David Lee is probably going to be relagated to the bench as a hardworker type and veteran  leader.  Amir same thing.  I don't see these guys coming in and taking starting jobs away from Sully and Zeller.  I think they are here to do the dirty work and push guys like that.

Regarding the bolded sections: I hope not. Lee was an All-Star just a couple seasons ago, and Amir is the best defensive big on the team.

Dont expect alot from Lee. He is not the same player.  He cant shoot which is another problem in regards to "fit"

David Lee, who "cant shoot [sic]" was a better shooter than Jared Sullinger last season.
http://bkref.com/tiny/IvS7h

Or, rather, he had a higher field goal percentage, which is not the same thing, however their shot charts indicate that perhaps Lee was taking smarter attempts and converting more of them:
http://vorped.com/1-nba/2014-2015/player/1464/jared-sullinger/shotchart/
http://vorped.com/1-nba/2014-2015/player/1038/david-lee/shotchart/

Sully took 48% of his shots from inside the paint, Lee took 79% of his shots from inside the paint.

In general Sullinger is currently a better shooter than Lee, though Lee has been successful from mid-range in the past, though a bit inconsistent season to season.

Also, from players that take mid-range shots with a semblance of regularity, Sullinger is among the top 15 players from the mid-range, about top 8 between PF/Cs.

Of course, this comes with the caveat of players that didn't reach the numbers due to lack of playing time/injuries but it should give an idea that Sullinger's mid-range shot is widely understated around here.

Yeah that's why I added the addendum about FG% (and by extension TS% and eFG%) with the shot charts.

Was expanding on what you were mentioning, though considering that the posts you're quoting are talking specifically about shooting (and by extension the role of spacing the floor, or "fit" [not that I'm buying much of that argument mind you]) then it's important to point out that Lee taking 79% of his shots last year from inside the paint, masking his poor performance from outside it, is a key element in the context of the envisioned role some have for him. 79% from inside the paint is a very significant portion of his shots.

But that said, his high success inside the paint is nothing to sniff at. As I mentioned also, Lee has had some very very good mid-range shooting seasons in the past, among the top in the league also. Consistency from season to season is the negative coupled with his most recent performance in that specific range.

So in all I was expanding, disagreeing, and agreeing with you all at once.

[D.o.s.]

Yeah, I got that much out of it. 

TP for the analysis I am buried over here, however I think one aspect of Lee's offensive game being overlooked is his passing from the low post and from the pick and pop, which is not something that should vanish and will help mitigate his decidedly-spotting midrange shooting.

[spikelovetheCelts]

I find it hard to believe that the team really sees developing Sullinger, Olynyk, and Zeller as much of a priority given that they signed Amir Johnson and traded for David Lee. 

The two things together just don't make logical sense to me.

I'm sure Danny would love for Sully and / or Olynyk to beat out the veterans ahead of them in the rotation, but giving them 30+ minutes a night to develop into the consistent performers we hope they will become is not going to be a focus.

We had cap space we used it on Lee and Johnson Neither are on contract for next year. They play good we can trade them for the future or sign them if we can get a young star. This is going to be a fun rumor year for sure. Go Danny We trust you.

[BudweiserCeltic]

I find it hard to believe that the team really sees developing Sullinger, Olynyk, and Zeller as much of a priority given that they signed Amir Johnson and traded for David Lee. 

The two things together just don't make logical sense to me.

I'm sure Danny would love for Sully and / or Olynyk to beat out the veterans ahead of them in the rotation, but giving them 30+ minutes a night to develop into the consistent performers we hope they will become is not going to be a focus.

We had cap space we used it on Lee and Johnson Neither are on contract for next year. They play good we can trade them for the future or sign them if we can get a young star. This is going to be a fun rumor year for sure. Go Danny We trust you.

Small clarification, Lee wasn't brought in via cap space. He was traded for using Wallace and Babb.

[walker834]

Sully is in better shape plus David Lee to spell him and push him for spurts is why Lee is here imo.  He isn't here to replace Sully. He's here to compliment him and as insurance and to give us flexibility.   I want to see what happens to Sully's fg percentage when he is forced more to play down low and in better spurts.  All our other bigs have been mentioned as stretch players. 

It's a contract year for Sully and this is really it.

[walker834]

Sully is either going to step up or lally gag and get frustrated.   I'd rather it be the former.  He's apparently worked hard this offseason so hopefully he comes through.  All signs make me think he will but we will see.

Best case for us is really Smart and Sully becoming staples.  That would work well. Along with Isaiah and a few other guys(Lee probably included),  they are our most talented guys.

[tarheelsxxiii]

Do late-night runs to T-Bell count?

All reports from Lee and the Warriors suggest that they worked together to find him a good situation to reestablish himself as a top PF in the league. He was okay with being sidelined to win a championship - not the case here. He, his agent, and the Dubs likely assume he will be getting far more minutes here.

[walker834]

If Isaiah, Smart, Lee and Sully are our best players don't you think they can all get time?  25 plus minutes?  I'm hop ing Sully isn't a dud and we don't trade here.  It could happen I guess, but talentwise I'd like to see him play and do well.

Lee and Sully is kind of redundant so having them play together might be interesting defensively at times.