Markieff Morris Wants Out

[celticsclay]

You know for all of the people claiming he's a monster because him and a large group attacked a defenseless man, I hope you all have the same criticisms for Kevin Garnett.

KG moved to Chicago from South Carolina in his last year of high school because he was facing lynching (Legally defined in SC as attacking a person with more than 2 people) charges for participating in a group that beat another kid to a pulp.

Now the Morris' clearly orchestrated this case, and KG was only proven to be at most a participant but it's a lot more common a tactic for dishing out "justice" than some here are giving it credit for.

So you have already identified a major difference between the alleged responsibility between the two, it also warrants mentioning that there is a difference in my mind, and a lot of courts, between doing something at 17 (or 16) versus when you are 25. I am not a fan of any of these behaviors. I did take issue with someone comparing sullingers weight to this kind of crime and saying they are comparable.

[PhoSita]

I did take issue with someone comparing sullingers weight to this kind of crime and saying they are comparable.

No one has done that here.

The point that was made is that Sullinger's weight has a greater chance of actually keeping him off the court.

Which, since we don't know these players as people nor do we interact with them as such, should probably be the primary consideration. 

[hwangjini_1]

You know for all of the people claiming he's a monster because him and a large group attacked a defenseless man, I hope you all have the same criticisms for Kevin Garnett.

KG moved to Chicago from South Carolina in his last year of high school because he was facing lynching (Legally defined in SC as attacking a person with more than 2 people) charges for participating in a group that beat another kid to a pulp.

Now the Morris' clearly orchestrated this case, and KG was only proven to be at most a participant but it's a lot more common a tactic for dishing out "justice" than some here are giving it credit for.

i am not sure what your point is here. as you state, these are not the same, so what conclusion are you trying to have us draw?

[truthhurts34]

Let's not conveniently disregard sullingers domestic violence dispute last year with his girlfriend.

If we are going to bring up Morris' case let's put everything on the table to make it fair.


At the end of the day, both players bring immense baggage. As I've said before, if I'm picking between the two it really comes down to durability. On top of that, Morris' contract is really the icing on the cake.

Even if sullinger magically gets in real shape, his back issues long term are still a red flag. Morris has a great contract, I really don't see how you could pick sullinger over morris after taking everything into consideration.

Their legal situations are not at all similar. Morris is currently facing pending charges and jail time. Sullinger obviously is not.

Im not comparing their legal similarities, even though morris won't be serving any time whatsoever.

It was more so the amount of baggage both players come with, both on and off the court. Either way you cut it, both have multiple red flags  and like I said it really comes down to the more durable player if im choosing one.

[Beat LA]

I'm surprised no one has decided to fill in the blank/finish the sentence yet - Markieff Morris Wants Out...Of Jail . He's certainly headed that way.

[rollie mass]

might like living and playing in boston-unfortunately another power forward
trade sully and lee-and get a loyal tough guy to go with smart ,crowder,avery  and rozier and mickey

[Smartacus]

might like living and playing in boston-unfortunately another power forward
trade sully and lee-and get a loyal tough guy to go with smart ,crowder,avery  and rozier and mickey

Or he could just go to... Philly.

Actually not a terrible fit. They could use a real pf and in the spirit of brotherly love send Nerlens Noel home to Boston.

[rollie mass]

might like living and playing in boston-unfortunately another power forward
trade sully and lee-and get a loyal tough guy to go with smart ,crowder,avery  and rozier and mickey

Or he could just go to... Philly.

Actually not a terrible fit. They could use a real pf and in the spirit of brotherly love send Nerlens Noel home to Boston.
  tp for that thought

[celticsclay]

Turner and Sullinger for Markieff.  I'd do it happily.


Not worried about the personality stuff.  It's whatever.  Sounds to me like the Suns made some half-promises to him that they didn't keep.


Markieff's a quality player and I think Stevens could get plenty of value out of him.  He's a better version of Jerebko.

Really?  If you compare their per 36 minute stats from last year, Sully averaged 17.7 points and 10.1 rebounds versus 17.5 and 7.1 for Markieff.  Sully is clearly the better rebounder, and their shooting range stats are practically identical.  Plus Sully is three years younger and has more upside.  I would take Jared Sullinger and his weight issues over Markieff Morris and his mental issues any day of the week.

Sully's defense and weight issues concern me a lot more than whatever Markieff's personality issues supposedly are.

Markieff's been an everyday starting power forward for a quality team in the Western Conference.  His positional versatility makes him a better fit for what the Celts are trying to do, anyway.

You literally compared his weight issues and "whats Markeiff's personality issue supposedly are" here. Don't pretend you said this was all about their ability to stay on the court. Its pretty weak to backtrack off it and move the goalposts.

[celticsclay]

I did take issue with someone comparing sullingers weight to this kind of crime and saying they are comparable.

No one has done that here.

The point that was made is that Sullinger's weight has a greater chance of actually keeping him off the court.

Which, since we don't know these players as people nor do we interact with them as such, should probably be the primary consideration.

You did it repeatedly.

[Ilikesports17]

I did take issue with someone comparing sullingers weight to this kind of crime and saying they are comparable.

No one has done that here.

The point that was made is that Sullinger's weight has a greater chance of actually keeping him off the court.

Which, since we don't know these players as people nor do we interact with them as such, should probably be the primary consideration.

You did it repeatedly.

why do you take issue with it? They are both red flags and things to take into account.

For Sully he has shown that his innability to make good decisions and take care of his weight/health makes him a gamble just as Morris's legal issues make him a gamble.

[86MaxwellSmart]

I'd take Markieff for Sullinger/parts.....let's not pretend that Sully didn't slap around his girlfriend a couple years ago.

[celticsclay]

I did take issue with someone comparing sullingers weight to this kind of crime and saying they are comparable.

No one has done that here.

The point that was made is that Sullinger's weight has a greater chance of actually keeping him off the court.

Which, since we don't know these players as people nor do we interact with them as such, should probably be the primary consideration.

You did it repeatedly.

why do you take issue with it? They are both red flags and things to take into account.

For Sully he has shown that his innability to make good decisions and take care of his weight/health makes him a gamble just as Morris's legal issues make him a gamble.

My biggest issue in this particular post is the fact that Phosita did make the comparison and then denied ever making it. That just rubs me the wrong way personally, because I don't like it when I feel like someone is going out of their way to be disingenuous rather just owning up to what they write. 

That part aside, I do think it is a bit offensive to compare someone having some weight issues to a guy that is charged with aggravated assault and beating up an older man until he was unconscious as part of a gang. As a person, I want him to go to jail for that and i have no wiggle room on that.
People that engage in gang beatings (and they could have very well killed this guy) don't deserve to just be making millions of dollars without a day behind bars. At the very least, i can really strongly hope my team doesn't pick up that guy until he serves some penalty for that kind of grotesque action.

I know we can get on a slippery slope because Sullinger had his own actions that were possibly horrible with his partner. If people were comparing the two in that regard, I still think there is a difference, but I have much less of a leg to stand on. Overall, the teams I root for i don't want players that have beat up old men, their partners, committed rape or done other horrible crimes. I hold this true for all the teams i follow.

[D.o.s.]

The comparison being made had to do with whether it would affect their ability to play in the NBA. In that regard, they're similar.

[celticsclay]

The comparison being made had to do with whether it would affect their ability to play in the NBA. In that regard, they're similar.

D.O.S that is not actually what he said. He was commenting on how much they "concerned him." As usual this will just get brought down to verbal wordplay and nothing will really be resolved. I will say again I hope the dude goes to jail, but i know you sort of think i am the morality police