Celtics too talented not to win 50 games in the East.

[Celtics18]

Celtics are no closer to a championship today than they were last yr.

and if they win 50 games they'll still be no closer.

but if winning a lot of games is the goal? then congrats!

I disagree with this point.  I think that if this young Celtics team can manage 50 wins, they'll be in a much better position to continue building towards contender status.

For this team to win 50, some of our young guys--like Smart and KO--would have to show significant improvement.  I don't see how that would represent a step back as you seem to be implying. 

[colincb]

we may not have the best talent, but we have a really Deep roster----Stevens can throw numbers at teams, and wear them down...by the 4th quarter, we'll be in every game.

  Trouble is, that we have had quite of few years of trouble scoring in the fourth.   Now Ainge made some additions that ought to help.   But do we really have a guy with the clutch gene?   Rozier has promise in that regard.   I am spoiled having watch PP for years.

IT has a TS% of 58% which is very good and he's been within half a point of that every year. He's a oroven big time 4th quarter scorer. We've added an able scorer and PnR threat in Lee (and Hunter's a pretty impressive shooter though counting on a rook for much is a reach). You're going to have to have Smart on the floor and another good defender at the 3 (Crowder) or 4 (Johnson) to balance IT and Lee out and BCS picks the 5th player to finish out the game.

[Future Celtics Owner]

Celtics are no closer to a championship today than they were last yr.

and if they win 50 games they'll still be no closer.

but if winning a lot of games is the goal? then congrats!

I disagree with this point.  I think that if this young Celtics team can manage 50 wins, they'll be in a much better position to continue building towards contender status.

For this team to win 50, some of our young guys--like Smart and KO--would have to show significant improvement.  I don't see how that would represent a step back as you seem to be implying.

I agree so much with GreenWarrior that I might even make his post my sig. KO will never be a franchise player or even start on a championship team and neither will AB ET Crowder, Zeller...IMO. People really think Crowder, Lee, and Johnson are gonna help us. Wow. Lee is/was the worst defender in the league backed up by SCIENCE , Amir has knee probe and TOR had many people cheering he left, and we inflated Crowders status so much that we paid him 7mil for 5 years when he was almost out of the league.

[Celtics18]

Celtics are no closer to a championship today than they were last yr.

and if they win 50 games they'll still be no closer.

but if winning a lot of games is the goal? then congrats!

I disagree with this point.  I think that if this young Celtics team can manage 50 wins, they'll be in a much better position to continue building towards contender status.

For this team to win 50, some of our young guys--like Smart and KO--would have to show significant improvement.  I don't see how that would represent a step back as you seem to be implying.

I agree so much with GreenWarrior that I might even make his post my sig. KO will never be a franchise player or even start on a championship team and neither will AB ET Crowder, Zeller...IMO. People really think Crowder, Lee, and Johnson are gonna help us. Wow. Lee is/was the worst defender in the league backed up by SCIENCE , Amir has knee probe and TOR had many people cheering he left, and we inflated Crowders status so much that we paid him 7mil for 5 years when he was almost out of the league.

So even if our team were to reach the lofty goal of 50 wins, you still think it would be despite all those players sucking?

[Ilikesports17]

Celtics are no closer to a championship today than they were last yr.

and if they win 50 games they'll still be no closer.

but if winning a lot of games is the goal? then congrats!

I disagree with this point.  I think that if this young Celtics team can manage 50 wins, they'll be in a much better position to continue building towards contender status.

For this team to win 50, some of our young guys--like Smart and KO--would have to show significant improvement.  I don't see how that would represent a step back as you seem to be implying.

I agree so much with GreenWarrior that I might even make his post my sig. KO will never be a franchise player or even start on a championship team and neither will AB ET Crowder, Zeller...IMO. People really think Crowder, Lee, and Johnson are gonna help us. Wow. Lee is/was the worst defender in the league backed up by SCIENCE , Amir has knee probe and TOR had many people cheering he left, and we inflated Crowders status so much that we paid him 7mil for 5 years when he was almost out of the league.

So even if our team were to reach the lofty goal of 50 wins, you still think it would be despite all those players sucking?

TP.

records do not exist in a vacuum. Its not like the nba hands out records at the end of the season and everyone is hoping either for a championship or the top pick. Records are produced by performances of coaches and players. If Boston wins 50 it will mean huge leaps have been made by many of our players and thus we will undeniably be closer to contention.

[D.o.s.]

Yeah that actually makes no sense in the slightest.

I don't think this team is a championship contender because I don't think they're talented enough to win 50 games, let alone the 55+ that most actual championship/seriously contending squads have (lower in lockout seasons, obviously), but you can't say they're not contenders in spite of their record should they wind up with 50 wins.

Which would be awesome, by the way. The C's haven't won 50 games a season since 2010-2011. That team was a lot better than the team we have now, at least on paper, so someone would've had to really make strides (which is what we all want to see, right?).

The gulf between 30 and 40 wins is not huge. That is not true for the span from 40 to 50 wins.

[TheTruthFot18]

Based on our impressive core of Isaiah Thomas, David Lee, Marcus Smart, and Amir Johnson?

How well did a group like that work out for the Knicks?

http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/NYK/2009.html


Just sayin'.

A team that shipped it's two best players out after 11 games and that were lead my mike d'antoni? I'm struggling to find the comparison other than they were also in the Atlantic division.

[Celtics18]

Based on our impressive core of Isaiah Thomas, David Lee, Marcus Smart, and Amir Johnson?

How well did a group like that work out for the Knicks?

http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/NYK/2009.html


Just sayin'.

A team that shipped it's two best players out after 11 games and that were lead my mike d'antoni? I'm struggling to find the comparison other than they were also in the Atlantic division.

It's tenuous at best, but I think he made the comparison because they both had David Lee and a point guard under 5'10" on their roster.

[PhoSita]

Based on our impressive core of Isaiah Thomas, David Lee, Marcus Smart, and Amir Johnson?

How well did a group like that work out for the Knicks?

http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/NYK/2009.html


Just sayin'.

A team that shipped it's two best players out after 11 games and that were lead my mike d'antoni? I'm struggling to find the comparison other than they were also in the Atlantic division.

David Lee, Nate Robinson, Wil Chandler, Al Harrington, Chris Duhon, and Quentin Richardson.

Similar talent level and skillset to the Celts' current core group (especially the first two).

The Celts are skewed more defensively, and have a better coach.  So, again, I think the Celts will win more than 32 games.

Still, I don't think Celts fans would be crowing about how good the Nets or Sixers were going to be this year if the heart of their roster was Isaiah Thomas, David Lee, Amir Johnson, Marcus Smart, Avery Bradley, and Evan Turner.

[Celtics18]

Based on our impressive core of Isaiah Thomas, David Lee, Marcus Smart, and Amir Johnson?

How well did a group like that work out for the Knicks?

http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/NYK/2009.html


Just sayin'.

A team that shipped it's two best players out after 11 games and that were lead my mike d'antoni? I'm struggling to find the comparison other than they were also in the Atlantic division.

David Lee, Nate Robinson, Wil Chandler, Al Harrington, Chris Duhon, and Quentin Richardson.

Similar talent level and skillset to the Celts' current core group (especially the first two).

The Celts are skewed more defensively, and have a better coach.  So, again, I think the Celts will win more than 32 games.

Still, I don't think Celts fans would be crowing about how good the Nets or Sixers were going to be this year if the heart of their roster was Isaiah Thomas, David Lee, Amir Johnson, Marcus Smart, Avery Bradley, and Evan Turner.

"Crowing"?

Please. 

[PhoSita]

"Crowing"?

Please.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iuz9c6eK2pc


Your wish is my command.

[BitterJim]

Celtics are no closer to a championship today than they were last yr.

and if they win 50 games they'll still be no closer.

but if winning a lot of games is the goal? then congrats!

I disagree with this point.  I think that if this young Celtics team can manage 50 wins, they'll be in a much better position to continue building towards contender status.

For this team to win 50, some of our young guys--like Smart and KO--would have to show significant improvement.  I don't see how that would represent a step back as you seem to be implying.

I agree so much with GreenWarrior that I might even make his post my sig. KO will never be a franchise player or even start on a championship team and neither will AB ET Crowder, Zeller...IMO. People really think Crowder, Lee, and Johnson are gonna help us. Wow. Lee is/was the worst defender in the league backed up by SCIENCE , Amir has knee probe and TOR had many people cheering he left, and we inflated Crowders status so much that we paid him 7mil for 5 years when he was almost out of the league.

Lee is/was the worst defender in the league backed up by SCIENCE

Proved by SCIENCE!  WOW! 
Source?

Amir has knee probe and TOR had many people cheering he left

It was his ankles, not his knees, and any source for people cheering when he left?  Most things that I saw were people wishing him well, we was a very well liked player

we inflated Crowders status so much that we paid him 7mil for 5 years when he was almost out of the league

Source saying Crowder was almost out of the league?

I expect ...controversial... posts from you, but this is just ridiculous

[Donoghus]

There's no way this team is winning 50 games, as optimistic as I'd like to be.

With this roster, I find it extremely far-fetched that they could win 50 games. 

I think they'll be grittier and more competitive than last year and win more games, but I'd be shocked if they approached 50 wins.  Even in a diminished East (which is actually going to be better than last year's East).

[Celtics18]

"Crowing"?

Please.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iuz9c6eK2pc


Your wish is my command.

Cute, I gave you a TP.

I still don't think predicting that the team will win somewhere in the 40s with 50 being the high water mark amounts to "crowing."

It strikes me as very sober realism. 

[D.o.s.]

That is absolutely not what is being said.

read:

I don't think Celts fans would be crowing about how good the Nets or Sixers were going to be this year if the heart of their roster was Isaiah Thomas, David Lee, Amir Johnson, Marcus Smart, Avery Bradley, and Evan Turner.

read again:

I don't think Celts fans would be crowing about how good the Nets or Sixers were going to be this year if the heart of their roster was Isaiah Thomas, David Lee, Amir Johnson, Marcus Smart, Avery Bradley, and Evan Turner.

Read a third time:

I don't think Celts fans would be crowing about how good the Nets or Sixers were going to be this year if the heart of their roster was Isaiah Thomas, David Lee, Amir Johnson, Marcus Smart, Avery Bradley, and Evan Turner.