any current news on sully and weight

[D.o.s.]

If I lived in Boston (although I was there this past weekend) I would certainly take your advice.

[hwangjini_1]

I just don't like the dude's mentality since he's been a Celtic

I dislike his mentality too.  I am from Ohio and saw more OSU games than most of you.   I did not want us to take him.  I never thought he is a guy you build around.   I also dislike it when Ainge, takes guys with poor athletic ability.   It is true we have got some miles and good play from these risky picks and truth be told not bad for where they are picked but we are missing out on the franchise guys because these guys have finite ceilings if they are alreayd skilled.

However, I would love to be wrong and eat crow and have him a 20/12 guy who plays lockdown D and plays 30 mpg.  Face, it would help the team and I love this team.  But I fear in the end, I will be more right than wrong.

ainge had the 21st pick that year. it is normal for there to be less than all star talents available by then. i cant think of many picks in the 20s where everyone says, "now THERE'S a guy we can build our team around." getting a player who can put up 20/12 is rare even in the lottery. at the 21st spot? it becomes as rare as hen's teeth.

as has been rehashed numerous times here at cb, for the draft positions available to the celtics ainge has done a good job of drafting. sully at the 21st spot was a gamble, but one well worth taking. even out of shape he puts up credible nba pf numbers. whether he pans out in the long run, or, simply turns into another "20s pick" pumpkin we will have to wait and see.

[PhoSita]

I think Sully was a good pick, and I liked him a lot early on (the Celts had really lacked a big man who could grab boards, post-up a bit, and finish lots of easy looks inside).

That said, I agree about his attitude.  It's frustrating to read that a guy needed a freaking intervention to take some responsibility for his fitness in the off-season.  That is the sort of off-court "intangible" that I care about. 

Give me a guy with 1000 tattoos, a foul mouth, technicals up the wazoo, whatever.  If he works like a maniac on his game and gives a crap about what happens on the court, that's the guy I want on my team (basically, Marcus Smart).

[Timdawgg]

I think Sully was a good pick, and I liked him a lot early on (the Celts had really lacked a big man who could grab boards, post-up a bit, and finish lots of easy looks inside).

That said, I agree about his attitude.  It's frustrating to read that a guy needed a freaking intervention to take some responsibility for his fitness in the off-season.  That is the sort of off-court "intangible" that I care about. 

Give me a guy with 1000 tattoos, a foul mouth, technicals up the wazoo, whatever.  If he works like a maniac on his game and gives a crap about what happens on the court, that's the guy I want on my team (basically, Marcus Smart).

Minus the tattoos, foul mouth & technicals...

[PhoSita]

I think Sully was a good pick, and I liked him a lot early on (the Celts had really lacked a big man who could grab boards, post-up a bit, and finish lots of easy looks inside).

That said, I agree about his attitude.  It's frustrating to read that a guy needed a freaking intervention to take some responsibility for his fitness in the off-season.  That is the sort of off-court "intangible" that I care about. 

Give me a guy with 1000 tattoos, a foul mouth, technicals up the wazoo, whatever.  If he works like a maniac on his game and gives a crap about what happens on the court, that's the guy I want on my team (basically, Marcus Smart).

Minus the tattoos, foul mouth & technicals...

Heh, Marcus isn't J.R. Smith or Rasheed Wallace, but he's got his fair share of all three of those things.  Again, doesn't bother me. 

To paraphrase Danny Ainge, I like a guy with fire.  That's not a problem.

[Celtics4ever]

ainge had the 21st pick that year. it is normal for there to be less than all star talents available by then. i cant think of many picks in the 20s where everyone says, "now THERE'S a guy we can build our team around." getting a player who can put up 20/12 is rare even in the lottery. at the 21st spot? it becomes as rare as hen's teeth.

as has been rehashed numerous times here at cb, for the draft positions available to the celtics ainge has done a good job of drafting. sully at the 21st spot was a gamble, but one well worth taking. even out of shape he puts up credible nba pf numbers. whether he pans out in the long run, or, simply turns into another "20s pick" pumpkin we will have to wait and see

Agree, it was decent value where he picked for the most part.   I just did not like the pick because I had seen a lot more OSU ball than you.  But all the talk, about him being a top 1 or 2 pick the year prior was absolutely silly.   He has never been a good athlete.   That being said he could play at a relatively competitive level when he entered the league.   But I always though he was close to his max, not brimming full of potential like guys here thought.  I was not crazy about Olynyk, as I thought he was soft,  either but I like athletes and I think it is an athletes game.   I think there are good players who are not athletes but they do not have poor athletic ability like Sully for the most part.  I am not playing 20/20 draft after the face, I am simply stating that I had concerns which proved to be well founded on both of these guys.   I wish, I was wrong.

I hope he is serious about playing down low because I know it will make him a better player in terms of efficiency and he borderline elite rebounder presently.   Imagine what he could in rebounding position?   The thing with him, is that he will never be a lockdown defender because of his lack of athletic ability.

Give me a guy with 1000 tattoos, a foul mouth, technicals up the wazoo, whatever.  If he works like a maniac on his game and gives a crap about what happens on the court, that's the guy I want on my team (basically, Marcus Smart).

Me, too.   The sad thing he has some talent, too.   But I think there is less accounting or taking of personal responsibility than there ever has been today.

[SHAQATTACK]

We should ask DQ corporate to ...ban Sully from their stores .

[mgent]

ainge had the 21st pick that year. it is normal for there to be less than all star talents available by then. i cant think of many picks in the 20s where everyone says, "now THERE'S a guy we can build our team around." getting a player who can put up 20/12 is rare even in the lottery. at the 21st spot? it becomes as rare as hen's teeth.

as has been rehashed numerous times here at cb, for the draft positions available to the celtics ainge has done a good job of drafting. sully at the 21st spot was a gamble, but one well worth taking. even out of shape he puts up credible nba pf numbers. whether he pans out in the long run, or, simply turns into another "20s pick" pumpkin we will have to wait and see

Agree, it was decent value where he picked for the most part.   I just did not like the pick because I had seen a lot more OSU ball than you.  But all the talk, about him being a top 1 or 2 pick the year prior was absolutely silly.   He has never been a good athlete.   That being said he could play at a relatively competitive level when he entered the league.   But I always though he was close to his max, not brimming full of potential like guys here thought.  I was not crazy about Olynyk, as I thought he was soft,  either but I like athletes and I think it is an athletes game.   I think there are good players who are not athletes but they do not have poor athletic ability like Sully for the most part.  I am not playing 20/20 draft after the face, I am simply stating that I had concerns which proved to be well founded on both of these guys.   I wish, I was wrong.

I hope he is serious about playing down low because I know it will make him a better player in terms of efficiency and he borderline elite rebounder presently.   Imagine what he could in rebounding position?   The thing with him, is that he will never be a lockdown defender because of his lack of athletic ability.

Give me a guy with 1000 tattoos, a foul mouth, technicals up the wazoo, whatever.  If he works like a maniac on his game and gives a crap about what happens on the court, that's the guy I want on my team (basically, Marcus Smart).

Me, too.   The sad thing he has some talent, too.   But I think there is less accounting or taking of personal responsibility than there ever has been today.

I don't think there were a lot of people here excited about Sullinger's potential as an athletic player or as a defender.  Nor did anybody think of him as having the potential to build a team around.

People like his potential because if he can start knocking down that 3 at the same rate he does in practice, he could become an 18 and 10 player pretty easily.

[kozlodoev]

I don't think there were a lot of people here excited about Sullinger's potential as an athletic player or as a defender.

Right, but I think most of us were hoping that we should at least not worry about him eating himself out of his career.

[LarBrd33]

I think there's a chance he is surprisingly solid this year.  He showed signs of being an 18 and 8 guy last season.  He will never be a star, though. He doesn't have the mentality.  He might play himself into a big contract, but my guess is he will not be a Celtic long-term.  Ainge will he shopping him.

I hope Ainge trades him ASAP. I just don't like the dude's mentality since he's been a Celtic. He carries himself like a happy go lucky just getting by type player. Just hope he doesn't get hurt before Ainge can get something in return.

First of all, I've seen the pics and he honestly doesn't look much different physically.  I know people have been trying to Zapruder analyze his photos and guesstimate his improvement, but It's pretty clear he's still a Pillsbury.  Nuff said.

Second, there has to be legitimate concerns about the man's attitude.  Not just his Big Baby-esque approach towards physical fitness, but the whispers we've heard about him showing up late to practices.   There's a problem here.  I really doubt he sticks around.  This isn't the type of player Ainge typically pays long-term.  Don't expect the team to comment about this, though.  By now you should know that the team doesn't usually openly bash the assets it's looking to move.  It's only after the guy is moved that you start to see the team be a bit more candid.   Heard about the issues with Ricky Davis after he left.  Heard (more) about the issues with Rondo after he left.  Even when Big Al left, I later heard about how the team wasn't totally comfortable with his work ethic.    Sully seems like a prime candidate to be moved.

That said, I'm not ruling out the possibility that Sully plays himself into a contract nonetheless.  He's got some talent.  If you look at his last 5 games before his injury (from Feb 3rd to Feb 11th), he seemed to be hitting a groove.  He was averaging something like 20 and 10 and the team had won 4 out of 5.    Then when he came back out of shape in the playoffs, he still proved to be an impactful player... during the Cavs 4 game beat-down, Sully managed to average 12 points, 7 rebounds and a block in just 20 minutes.

Point is, even if he's perpetually out of shape, he might still be capable of making an impact in the league.  I'm not dismissing the possibility that SUllinger averages 18 and 8 some day. 

[Greyman]

Unless he shows Ainge and Stevens enough before the season starts he will struggle to get minutes. I have been optimistic and hoped he had turned a corner and come back fit and with some fire. If this isn't the case (or close) then he may struggle to prove himself as an 18 and 8 player if he isn't getting minutes. I guess it is up to Sully to prove himself and earn those minutes.

[colincb]

I think there's a chance he is surprisingly solid this year.  He showed signs of being an 18 and 8 guy last season.  He will never be a star, though. He doesn't have the mentality.  He might play himself into a big contract, but my guess is he will not be a Celtic long-term.  Ainge will he shopping him.

I hope Ainge trades him ASAP. I just don't like the dude's mentality since he's been a Celtic. He carries himself like a happy go lucky just getting by type player. Just hope he doesn't get hurt before Ainge can get something in return.

First of all, I've seen the pics and he honestly doesn't look much different physically.  I know people have been trying to Zapruder analyze his photos and guesstimate his improvement, but It's pretty clear he's still a Pillsbury.  Nuff said.

Second, there has to be legitimate concerns about the man's attitude.  Not just his Big Baby-esque approach towards physical fitness, but the whispers we've heard about him showing up late to practices.   There's a problem here.  I really doubt he sticks around.  This isn't the type of player Ainge typically pays long-term.  Don't expect the team to comment about this, though.  By now you should know that the team doesn't usually openly bash the assets it's looking to move.  It's only after the guy is moved that you start to see the team be a bit more candid.   Heard about the issues with Ricky Davis after he left.  Heard (more) about the issues with Rondo after he left.  Even when Big Al left, I later heard about how the team wasn't totally comfortable with his work ethic.    Sully seems like a prime candidate to be moved.

That said, I'm not ruling out the possibility that Sully plays himself into a contract nonetheless.  He's got some talent.  If you look at his last 5 games before his injury (from Feb 3rd to Feb 11th), he seemed to be hitting a groove.  He was averaging something like 20 and 10 and the team had won 4 out of 5.    Then when he came back out of shape in the playoffs, he still proved to be an impactful player... during the Cavs 4 game beat-down, Sully managed to average 12 points, 7 rebounds and a block in just 20 minutes.

Point is, even if he's perpetually out of shape, he might still be capable of making an impact in the league.  I'm not dismissing the possibility that SUllinger averages 18 and 8 some day.

Only 5 players averaged 18+ppg and 8+ rpg last year.  21 players averaged a combined total of 26 points + rebounds per game of which 13 were PFs or Cs, 4 SFs and 4 guards. Pretty elite company when you look at the names. Sullinger averaged  21 combined (13 ppg and 8 rpg) which put him at 55th. I don't see an all-star level player in him , but he'd be better sticking under the boards than screwing around outside the arc and he could increase his fg% and boards. He could probably be on the all-star cusp like Milsap if he had some better defense in him.

[LHR]

Sullinger is going to get off to a good start.  I expect him to even be borderline-All Star material up until around mid-December.  His conditioning will catch up to him by then though and that's when the regression will begin.  Hopefully the team isn't fooled by it...and other teams are.

[rollie mass]

sully conditioning will probably continue on track but his eating habits may catch up with him,playing less minutes at full tilt may benefit him and only playing in situations that are to his advantage-hope he controls his habits in milan-

[Drucci]

On this picture, that I took at the Celtics' morning shootaround in Milano yesterday, we get a rare glimpse beneath Sully's shirt... and it's quite telling.