any current news on sully and weight

[Vermont Green]

I am going buck the trend.  Sullinger is a thick, strong man.  Weight isn't the issue.  Conditioning is.  You can't tell by looking at him whether or not he has improved his endurance and general conditioning.  I think he has a lot of talent, more than Glen (Baby) Davis and he has a much better body than Davis so I don't buy that comparison.  Charles Barkley is not a comparison either but how important was it how Barkley's body looked?  He never looked like an svelte athlete and neither will Sullinger.

I don't know how good of shape he is in but based on what I see and have heard, it should be better than last year.  Last year he put up 13+ pts and 7.5+ rebs in 27 minutes.  He needs to improve on that both in terms of stats and in terms of non-stat impacts but say he gets the stats up to 15 pts and 10 rebs.  That does not require a huge improvement or a transformation of the physical stature.  He just needs to be in shape which he wasn't last season.

If he is in really good physical condition, I think he can drive that body to a 20/10 fringe all star level.  He doesn't need to transform.  Just work hard and be in top condition from and endurance standpoint.  I don't know if he achieved that this off season or if he ever will but I am not giving up on him just because he doesn't look like Kevin Love.

[SHAQATTACK]

I don't know what you guys are seeing, but he certainly has lost quite a bit of weight.

Compare Media Day from last season to this one:



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5dpS15jANc





https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Km7MudaFgMg

cone head look   ....wut up wif dat 

[PhoSita]

I am going buck the trend.  Sullinger is a thick, strong man.  Weight isn't the issue.  Conditioning is.  You can't tell by looking at him whether or not he has improved his endurance and general conditioning. 

I mostly agree with this.  The caveat, though, is that Sullinger's weight issues have contributed to serious injuries so far in his career.  I have serious doubts about his ability to stay healthy enough to play unless he drops a lot of weight off of his frame.  That might require him to change the sort of player he is (kind of like Love), but it may be necessary for him to stay in the NBA long term.

Doesn't sound like Sully has the kind of motivation or determination to make that happen, though, so we'll just have to hope his endurance is better and that his bones / spine hold up.

[BudweiserCeltic]

I don't know what you guys are seeing, but he certainly has lost quite a bit of weight.

Compare Media Day from last season to this one:



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5dpS15jANc





https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Km7MudaFgMg

The problem is Sully puts on weight as the season moves on. He needs continual supervision as to his eating habits, and I'm sure the Celtic organization is not going to babysit Sully at the team buffet table.
Did he loose weight? yeah, maybe 20 lbs. or so. It will return quickly. He'll be huffing and puffing and cheating on D in no time at all.

Sully is what he is, playing extended quality minutes on both side of the ball will always be a problem. You'll get some quality minutes from him, he is talented. Just not extended minutes.

Is he the PF of the Celtic future, on a team contending in the style CBS and DA want? I don't see it.

 

Well it remains to be seen what actually happens this year.

But if, as you say, Sully had put on more weight during the season, then it's your contention that he was even fatter than what he looked at media day last year. So he looks like he looks now, and people are bashing him for how he currently looks (in the context of not doing anything this Summer) then it shows more the underestimation of Sully's lack of shape last season than it shows lack of work this Summer.

Personally, visually I thought he'd look a bit better than what seems projected at media day, but I still recognize that he does look much better than what he did last year. It's within the range I would've estimated after just a few months of this type of training.

The most important part is that he keeps at it from here on out, but satisfied with the seeming work he did this Summer for now. I'll reserve judgement until I see what he actually does on the court, and hopefully, how active he can be defensively which he can be a big plus when focused.

We still have a month plus of work before the season starts... as always, we'll see...

[Big333223]

Hopefully what we're looking at is a version of Jared Sullinger with a little less fat, some more muscle, and the ability to now play 100% for 48 minutes. That's what's important. He needs size to throw around in the paint but if he's still in the shape he was in last season where he would always die after 25 minutes, then Ainge should be looking to cash in by the all star break.

Hopefully that's not the case but we won't know until he gets on the floor.

[jambr380]

The other disappointing part is that a little over a year ago, we thought he may be the key piece that landed us Kevin Love. Now, some people are wondering if he may be the one cut to trim the roster (an extreme opinion, I know).

Anybody saying he is just naturally big probably hasn't been in really good shape themselves. You'd be surprised how much weight you can lose while maintaining your level of strength. And since Sully can barely bench 185, I'm going to go out on a limb and say that true conditioning could bring him closer to 200lbs than where he is now.

I don't doubt that he may have lost a little fat and gained a little muscle, but it frankly isn't even close to enough. He's had several months to devote his life to this and these are the results.

Hopefully he will continue to work hard.

[moiso]

The other disappointing part is that a little over a year ago, we thought he may be the key piece that landed us Kevin Love. Now, some people are wondering if he may be the one cut to trim the roster (an extreme opinion, I know).

Anybody saying he is just naturally big probably hasn't been in really good shape themselves. You'd be surprised how much weight you can lose while maintaining your level of strength. And since Sully can barely bench 185, I'm going to go out on a limb and say that true conditioning could bring him closer to 200lbs than where he is now.

I don't doubt that he may have lost a little fat and gained a little muscle, but it frankly isn't even close to enough. He's had several months to devote his life to this and these are the results.

Hopefully he will continue to work hard.

TP.

[Rosco917]

I am going buck the trend.  Sullinger is a thick, strong man.  Weight isn't the issue.  Conditioning is.  You can't tell by looking at him whether or not he has improved his endurance and general conditioning. 

I mostly agree with this.  The caveat, though, is that Sullinger's weight issues have contributed to serious injuries so far in his career.  I have serious doubts about his ability to stay healthy enough to play unless he drops a lot of weight off of his frame.  That might require him to change the sort of player he is (kind of like Love), but it may be necessary for him to stay in the NBA long term.

Doesn't sound like Sully has the kind of motivation or determination to make that happen, though, so we'll just have to hope his endurance is better and that his bones / spine hold up.

You've brought up another potential bump in the road, and it's his long term health issues having to do with his weight. He's 23 years old, he already has some concerning health issues. If he were going to get into top condition, this was the year he would do it. 
I'm not saying Sully has no value, that's totally inaccurate. He can be a nice player off the bench on a winning team. He is mostly effective due to his rebounding and scoring in the paint.

But to sign him long term for starting PF money is not a good idea. He his not the type of player Stevens talks about wanting on his team. Why keep him for the entire year, and loose him getting nothing in return, as he enters free agency.

[Big333223]

Anybody saying he is just naturally big probably hasn't been in really good shape themselves. You'd be surprised how much weight you can lose while maintaining your level of strength. And since Sully can barely bench 185, I'm going to go out on a limb and say that true conditioning could bring him closer to 200lbs than where he is now.

I just wanted to point out that his upper body strength isn't his true assett, its his lower body strength. The man is really hard to move and when you're jostling in the post, that's what's going to be more important than the kind of strength measured by bench pressing.

[Eddie20]

The other disappointing part is that a little over a year ago, we thought he may be the key piece that landed us Kevin Love. Now, some people are wondering if he may be the one cut to trim the roster (an extreme opinion, I know).

Anybody saying he is just naturally big probably hasn't been in really good shape themselves. You'd be surprised how much weight you can lose while maintaining your level of strength. And since Sully can barely bench 185, I'm going to go out on a limb and say that true conditioning could bring him closer to 200lbs than where he is now.

I don't doubt that he may have lost a little fat and gained a little muscle, but it frankly isn't even close to enough. He's had several months to devote his life to this and these are the results.

Hopefully he will continue to work hard.

How are these "people"?

[nopassbass]

After seeing Sullinger on csnne this morning It was a bit of a let down. There was a lot of hype about him coming in in shape and it did not look like anything significant to me. We will have to see how things play out. It is exciting that we will have a competitive front court fighting for minutes. If he does not earn it, Stevens will not play him.

[Celtics4ever]

  Sullinger is a thick, strong man.

If he was so strong why only 9 reps of 185 of the combine?  Why is his vertical not better.   There are muscular strong guys in the NFL who have 40+ verticals.

I agree that he might not have lost as much weight but could be in better condition which would be a positive.  I am a big time detractor and I think he has lost a marginal amount of weight but guys he does not look fatter in all fairness.   Does he look in shape, not yet.  But let us see what he does in camp before we condemn him.

  Last year he put up 13+ pts and 7.5+ rebs in 27 minutes.  He needs to improve on that both in terms of stats and in terms of non-stat impacts but say he gets the stats up to 15 pts and 10 rebs.  That does not require a huge improvement or a transformation of the physical stature.  He just needs to be in shape which he wasn't last season.

It is possible that he does not play as many minutes as last year, given we have depth and better players as bigs on the team.   So his minutes may go down, especially give how many on this team are better defenders.   He is without doubt probably our best rebounder.  As far as shooting threes, if he does not make them as in the past, other teams will not guard him, and at sub 30% he really is not a threat that other teams respect.   He also cannot drive around guys so they can either sag off and double team or play him close and with his lack of vertical plenty of guys can mess with his shot.

Do you think he is in shape this season?   I am willing to think that he could be in better shape.   But good shape, I doubt it.

Now, some people are wondering if he may be the one cut to trim the roster

I think if he did not meet management weight goals which looks like he did not and he lays an egg in training camp.    If Mickey owned him a lot in practice and Lee and Amir abuse him, think this is possible.   But that being said, I do not think it is even remotely probable.  What if he gets an injury related to weight in camp, I could see us cutting ties then.   But I think we bail on him, Ainge trades him.    I just do not think that will happen.

I have seen several team previews where they marginalized the guys.   Someone should send them to him and I hope he is type of guy who makes people want it eat it and prove them wrong.     We will know more in a week.

[jambr380]

The other disappointing part is that a little over a year ago, we thought he may be the key piece that landed us Kevin Love. Now, some people are wondering if he may be the one cut to trim the roster (an extreme opinion, I know).

Anybody saying he is just naturally big probably hasn't been in really good shape themselves. You'd be surprised how much weight you can lose while maintaining your level of strength. And since Sully can barely bench 185, I'm going to go out on a limb and say that true conditioning could bring him closer to 200lbs than where he is now.

I don't doubt that he may have lost a little fat and gained a little muscle, but it frankly isn't even close to enough. He's had several months to devote his life to this and these are the results.

Hopefully he will continue to work hard.

How are these "people"?

I imagine you mean 'who' - if you look at the front page article on Sully and weight, there are several posts there commenting that maybe he should be the odd man out. I stated that it was an extreme point of view so it's not an argument I necessarily want to back, but some may be worried about his work ethic might rub off on the younger players.

Anybody saying he is just naturally big probably hasn't been in really good shape themselves. You'd be surprised how much weight you can lose while maintaining your level of strength. And since Sully can barely bench 185, I'm going to go out on a limb and say that true conditioning could bring him closer to 200lbs than where he is now.

I just wanted to point out that his upper body strength isn't his true assett, its his lower body strength. The man is really hard to move and when you're jostling in the post, that's what's going to be more important than the kind of strength measured by bench pressing.

Definitely - I am not saying he should look like Jordan Mickey, but he has so much fat still to lose that I think people convince themselves that he is just a 'big guy'. Very few people in this world are big without being at least a little bit fat - even body builders.

[ScoobyDoo]

I really like Sully's game, and his "potential", but:

1. Think it's pathetic that a guy with access to the best trainers in the world on a contract year looks about exactly the same as he did three years ago. There is like, no change. You compare his commitment to his body versus let's say, Love or Perkins, or Barkley back in his day? no excuse. With the right diet and real commitment anyone can make drastic strides in their physical appearance. I do not buy that this is a result of Sully's body type. Rather, it's the result of his "mental type". What a shame.

2. The fact that Ainge brought in Lee AND Johnson and then went long on Mickey?... I would not be surprised at all if Sullinger is traded.

3. If there is a guy who doesn't fit Stevens mentality as far as approach to the game, which appears for starters that, you come in in great shape and play "hard, up and down the court basketball", it is Jared Sullinger.

4. Combined with the fact that we played very good basketball without him down the stretch last year?

How do you give this guy a big payday?


Gone... 

[ScoobyDoo]

My legitimate expectation and something I think would be quite reasonable, was for him to have looked a lot closer to the picture of the Oklahoma State player somebody posted than to the Jared Sullinger we know.

I mean even with Perkins, you could see the improvement year over year, every year.

We have seen basically "no change in body type" going into year four.