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The Case for Starting RJ Hunter
« on: July 19, 2015, 03:59:07 AM »

Offline max215

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I know I lost some of you with the title, but hear me out, because this idea is not as ridiculous as it might seem.

Offense:
On a team with a glut of guards it is absolutely essential for a player competing for minutes to have at least one skill which sets him apart. RJ has a skill; he can shoot the three ball like nobody’s business. The most important part about having a sharpshooter like Hunter may not actually be the points he contributes, but rather the effect his abilities have on the spacing of an offense. We know that Brad values spacing very highly, evidenced by the fact that he wanted just about everyone on the roster taking threes last year. The problem is that while Brad wanted the guys shooting threes (13th most threes attempted last year) they couldn’t make them to save their lives (27th worst 3P% last year). If Hunter starts at the 2, opposing defenses will be forced to respect him on the perimeter and the defense will open up a bit. Here’s where Hunter’s backcourt mate, Marcus Smart, will come into play. With the defense stretched out more than Smart has experienced before at the professional level, he’ll have the room necessary to do what he should be doing on offense: attacking the hoop. RJ’s skillset will allow Smart to use his strength and vision to (hopefully) drive to the hoop and finish at the rim or dish to the wing.

An added bonus resulting from starting RJ would be having another playmaker in the backcourt. In Summer League, RJ has shown his tremendous vision and excellent passing instincts. As I’m sure many of you have heard, RJ’s dad/college coach  has said that RJ’s greatest skill is actually his passing, not his shooting. A 2 with the ability to pass and make plays, or really do anything beside shooting off the pick and roll, would be a revelation after AB.

Defense:
While RJ’s defense in college has been considered rather uninspiring, a lot of his shortcomings can be attributed to the fact that Georgia State played a zone defense most of the year; RJ’s skills lend themselves more to the man defenses at the NBA level. RJ’s smart and attentive on defense; he won’t do anything stupid and he won’t give up on plays. His nearly 6’11” wingspan allows him to disrupt passing lanes and rack up steals. He averaged 2.1 steals per game his final year at Georgia State. It should also be noted that Hunter is fairly agile. He ran a 2.91 shuttle at the combine, a number which compares favorably to the likes of defensively minded guards Marcus Smart and Elfrid Payton. The only cause for concern with Hunter on the defensive end is his build; RJ weighed in at 185 pounds at the Combine. More physical guards will be able to push Hunter around, but you could cover for his lack of strength with Smart’s tremendous versatility. You can put Smart on whichever guard is better on the offensive end and RJ can guard the less impactful player. With Hunter’s work ethic, penchant for studying film, and physical tools, there’s no reason to believe he can’t be an adequate defender in the NBA, or eventually a plus defender.

Competition:
In order to start at the 2, RJ would have to supplant veteran SG Avery Bradley. Bradley is an absolute lockdown perimeter defender, a skill which makes him extremely valuable in today’s perimeter oriented game. RJ may have a bit more defensive versatility (provided he puts on some weight), given that he has half a foot on Bradley, but Bradley is clearly the better defender. As important as a lockdown defender is, the Celtics are in desperate need of scoring. Avery Bradley has evolved into a perfectly average shooter, but nothing more. Each of the last two years, Bradley’s TS% has been hovering around 51%, which pales in comparison to RJ’s career TS% of nearly 58%. RJ is clearly the better shooter. Bradley averaged 1.8 APG  in 31.5 MPG compared to Hunter’s 3.6 APG in 37 MPG. Hunter is the better facilitator. Bradley is the better defender while Hunter is the better offensive player, so the question comes down to fit with the other starters.

FWIW Hunter had 2.5 DWS last year compared to Bradley’s 2.1. In fact, Bradley’s total WS last year was 2.5 which Hunter matched on the defensive end alone. Hunter’s WS was a staggering 6.9 last year.

Even if I’ve overestimated RJ’s ability to cope defensively in the NBA, his fellow defensively-minded starters (Smart, Crowder, and Johnson) would be able to compensate for Hunter’s shortcomings.

Conclusion:
RJ Hunter brings a new dimension to the Celtics on the offensive end and probably won’t be too much of a liability on the defensive end. He’s an exciting young player with boatloads of potential that we’d be foolish to waste.

Thanks for reading this long-winded and probably confusing write-up (it’s late and I’m tired). I’d love to hear what you guys think; I’ve got my flame retardant suit at the ready :)
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Re: The Case for Starting RJ Hunter
« Reply #1 on: July 19, 2015, 05:00:02 AM »

Offline HeadDoctorJ

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I think Smart and Hunter are the backcourt of the future. Their skill sets compliment each other so well. It might not happen this year, though, unless Hunter plays outstanding and Bradley (and Turner?) struggles or is traded. It's possible.

Re: The Case for Starting RJ Hunter
« Reply #2 on: July 19, 2015, 05:01:11 AM »

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If RJ Hunter can improve his ball-handling enough to be a credible secondary playmaker, I'd suggest the possibility of eventually being able to use a backcourt of Bradley-Hunter, if you have someone like Evan Turner functioning as a point forward.
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Re: The Case for Starting RJ Hunter
« Reply #3 on: July 19, 2015, 08:54:23 AM »

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If RJ Hunter can improve his ball-handling enough to be a credible secondary playmaker, I'd suggest the possibility of eventually being able to use a backcourt of Bradley-Hunter, if you have someone like Evan Turner functioning as a point forward.

Ugh--the C's are going nowhere as long as they have ET as a point forward.

Re: The Case for Starting RJ Hunter
« Reply #4 on: July 19, 2015, 10:00:16 AM »

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HEHEHEHE slow down buckeroo!

Let's give the young guys a chance to play at the next level and see how they perform before we give them starting jobs.

I like Hunter too if we are going to the land of make believe I could see Rozier/Smart as the starting back court of the future just as easily. But I'll hold off to see how the season goes.

Re: The Case for Starting RJ Hunter
« Reply #5 on: July 19, 2015, 10:07:16 AM »

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I really like the long-term potential of a Smart and Hunter backcourt, but I think we need to see him against actual NBA players before we look at him supplanting Avery Bradley. He certainly played great in SL but I'm not sure he is physically ready for defending the James Hardens and Dwyane Wades of the world for 35 minutes.

When he is ready though, I think you make a very good point about what a nice fit he is offensively in the starting unit alongside Marcus. I really can see that being our starting backcourt next year forward.

Re: The Case for Starting RJ Hunter
« Reply #6 on: July 19, 2015, 10:15:12 AM »

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A little early. I'd like to see him in an actual game that counts, before he starts.

Re: The Case for Starting RJ Hunter
« Reply #7 on: July 19, 2015, 10:59:10 AM »

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If I were rj, I'd watch lots of Reggie Miller tapes and learn.

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Re: The Case for Starting RJ Hunter
« Reply #8 on: July 19, 2015, 11:06:38 AM »

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This is a great post for after RJ does well in his limited regular season minutes, not before.

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« Reply #9 on: July 19, 2015, 11:10:56 AM »

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is this board normally this blind?

Re: The Case for Starting RJ Hunter
« Reply #10 on: July 19, 2015, 11:16:18 AM »

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He didn't start on the summer league team, and you want him to start on the real Celtics? He's much more likely to start on the D League team.

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« Reply #11 on: July 19, 2015, 11:19:00 AM »

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Can't get rid of Young and ET fast enough

Re: The Case for Starting RJ Hunter
« Reply #12 on: July 19, 2015, 11:19:15 AM »

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If we were gonna start him, I think it would have to be in a three guard lineup (him, Smart, and AB), with Smart playing the 3 on defense

There's no way Hunter will displace AB in the starting lineup, but I could see him taking Turner's spot
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« Reply #13 on: July 19, 2015, 11:22:31 AM »

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While RJ’s defense in college has been considered rather uninspiring, a lot of his shortcomings can be attributed to the fact that Georgia State played a zone defense most of the year;

Wow, we are pouring Kool-aid down our throats.   I think the reason he is a little off, is he is slow.   Now he has good length and great basketball IQ, so he will adjust and be able to play off his man to compensate some.   But if a guy is hot, I think he will have trouble because of his foot speed.  You can say it is zone, but the truth of the matter is he lacks footspeed and lateral quickness.   Does not mean he is horrible, he tries and is smart and great at anticipating zones but it is what it is.

Re: The Case for Starting RJ Hunter
« Reply #14 on: July 19, 2015, 11:25:49 AM »

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNMEbPlo7HI

this is the guy that Hunter reminds me of, the same shot and the same court vision.
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