Dr. J - Sixers on a 7 year plan

[Moranis]

According to Dr. J (an interview on Sirius NBA channel yesterday), that when Hinkie was hired he gave the ownership two projected paths forward.  Option A was keep and build around Holiday and Young and continue to fight for playoff spots and hope a mid 1st round pick hit to elevate the team to the next level (or a free agent).  OR Option B which was to tear the whole thing down, build through the next 3 drafts, then take 2 years to coach them up, 1 year to make the playoffs as a young scrappy team, and then begin an era of championship contention.  That is assuming all went well in the 3 years of the draft.  Obviously if the draft picks hit faster, it would speed up the process.

Ownership obviously choose Option B.  Pursuant to that plan, the Sixers have had 2 drafts, so next summer will be the 3rd and at that time they will start to make moves in free agency and start to coach the team up.  In otherwords, the Sixers are following and sticking with their plan.  Just found it interesting that ownership bought into what amounts to 3 years of being absolutely terrible and another couple of years without the playoffs.  Only time will tell if it works, but it clearly was a well thought out plan the Sixers have been executing and holding to.

[jambr380]

Wasn't this the third draft? Noel/MCW, then Embiid/Saric, and now Okafor. Perhaps year one doesn't count since Noel was hurt and they traded away their ROY. Year two seems to be on hold, as well.

What Philly is doing is interesting, but if it doesn't work it will be a colossal failure - trying to be the worst franchise in the NBA for several years is a little embarrassing.

[Moranis]

Wasn't this the third draft? Noel/MCW, then Embiid/Saric, and now Okafor. Perhaps year one doesn't count since Noel was hurt and they traded away their ROY. Year two seems to be on hold, as well.

What Philly is doing is interesting, but if it doesn't work it will be a colossal failure - trying to be the worst franchise in the NBA for several years is a little embarrassing.

They didn't actually tank that first draft, so I don't think it counts, but maybe so. 

[RAAAAAAAANDY]

Wasn't this the third draft? Noel/MCW, then Embiid/Saric, and now Okafor. Perhaps year one doesn't count since Noel was hurt and they traded away their ROY. Year two seems to be on hold, as well.

What Philly is doing is interesting, but if it doesn't work it will be a colossal failure - trying to be the worst franchise in the NBA for several years is a little embarrassing.

They're about 2 years in, but yeah this is the 3rd offseason. I think they'll make a minor jump this year and be about a league average team in 2016-17.

I don't really see this not working as a colossal failure relative to the garbage Sixers fans watched in the post-AI era. Heck most of the AI era was them failing to surround him with anything resembling a supporting cast anyways.   

[JBcat]

They shouldn't have called it a 7 year plan. With what they are doing they should have just said we are tanking until we feel comfortable we have at least 2 franchise players however how long it takes. Lol

[LGC88]

They traded Holiday for the pick that became Noel.
They didn't tank that year yet. They finish with 34 wins and they had the 11th pick MCW.
So the tanking process can be considered as :
2014 : Embid
2015 : Okafor
2016 : ?

[mef730]

Well, it's easy for Dr. J to say that now. Wonder if they were saying the same thing a few years ago. Sounds like an attempt to keep fans interested.

Mike

[BudweiserCeltic]

Not sure why you found it interesting that ownership approved a 3+ years of tanking... haven't we known this all along?

[Denis998]

And after those 7 years are over, each of those draft picks will leave one by one in FA.

[Sketch5]

It's fine to strip down your team and rebuild, but so far they are completely unbalanced. They have 3 centers, one hasn't seen the floor yet and probably wont until next season. So if Hinkie was thinking of using them to trade for other players, it may have bit him in the but.

 Teams may not over pay like he thinks they will when they know they can now wait for Noel in two years and make an offer which he may take if Philly goes with Okafor as their starting Center. And Embiid's value has gone WAY down hill, potential doesn't mean anything if he can't get healthy.

Hinkie would have been better off going with Exum,Gordon, Randle, or Smart instead of Embiid. Especially knowing that your going to tank again the next season going into a draft with several good big men prospects in case Noel didn't pan out. This season I would have Drafted Okafor and traded Noel for Winslow or Emudiay.

Hinkie could come out okay with this, but he's going to need some luck to have a team even close to playoff contenders in a few years. But right now what they have, it looks like his greed in taking 3 centers (4 if you count the over seas stash) may loose him his job in 4 or 5 years.

[JBcat]

They shouldn't have called it a 7 year plan. With what they are doing they should have just said we are tanking until we feel comfortable we have at least 2 franchise players however how long it takes. Lol

In all seriousness I think they were trying to follow the Thunder model.  The Thunder were lucky and could have just as easily drafted Oden instead of Durant, and lesser players instead of Harden, Westbrook, and Ibaka.

[Moranis]

They traded Holiday for the pick that became Noel.
They didn't tank that year yet. They finish with 34 wins and they had the 11th pick MCW.
So the tanking process can be considered as :
2014 : Embid
2015 : Okafor
2016 : ?

Hinkie was hired May 14, 2013

So his major moves
Draft MCW
Traded Holiday and Pierre Jackson for Noel and NO 2014 1st (Elfrid Payton)
Acquire Royce White, rights to Furkan Aldemir for 2014 2nd (top 55 protected or else extinguished - extinguished)
Hire Brett Brown as Coach
Acquire Tony Wroten for 2014 2nd (top 50 protected or extinguished - not exercised)
Sign Hollis Thompson as undrafted free agent
Acquire BJ Mullins, 2018 LAC 2nd for 2014 2nd top 40 and 46-60 protected or extinguished - extinguished)
Trade Evan Turner, Lavoy Allen for Danny Granger, 2015 2nd (Luka Mitrovic)
Acquire Eric Maynor, 2015 WAS 2nd (Arturas Gudaitis), 2016 DEN 2nd for 2014 2nd (protected and ultimately extinguished)
Trade Spencer Hawes for Earl Clark, Henry Sims, 2014 2nd (Jerami Grant), 2014 2nd (Vasilije Mircic)
Waive Clark, Granger, Maynor

2014 Summer/Season
Draft (aside from above) - Embiid, KJ McDaniels
Trade rights to Elfrid Payton for rights to Dario Saric, 2015 2nd (Guillermo Hernangomez), 2017 ORL 1st
Trade Thad Young for Mbah a Moute, Alexey Shved, Future CLE 1st
Acquire Thabeet, cash for 2015 2nd (with protections and not exercised)
Sign JaKarr Sampson as undrafted free agent
Acquire Marquis Teague, 2019 2nd (more favorable of MIL/SAC) for Casper Ware
Waive Teague
Trade Arnett Moultrie for Travis Outlaw, Sixers right to swap 2018 2nd with NY, 2019 NY 2nd
Sign Robert Covington as undrafted free agent after season starts
Aquire AK47, Jorge Gutierrez, Sixers option to swap 2018 2nds with BKN, 2020 BKN 2nd for Brandon Davies
Waive Gutierrez
Sign Fulkan Aldemir
Acquire Ronny Turiaf, rights to Sergei Lishouk, 2015 HOU 2nd (JP Tokoto) for Shved
Waive Turiaf
Acquire Jared Cunningham, rights to Cenk Akyol, cash for rights to Lishouk
Waive Cunningham
Acquire Isaiah Canaan, 2015 2nd (Richaun Holmes) for KJ McDaniels
Acquire Javale McGee, Rights to Chukwudiebere Maduabum, future protected 1st for rights to Akyol
Trade MCW for future protected 1st
Claim Ish Smith off waivers
Waive AK47
Claim Thomas Robinson off waivers
Waive McGee
Claim Glenn Robinson III off waivers

2015 Summer/Season
Draft Okafor (in addition to those mentioned above)
Trade rights to Hernangomez for 2020 NY 2nd, 2021 NY 2nd
Acquire Nik Stauskas, Jason Thompson, Carl Landry, future 1st round pick, Sixers option to swap 2016 and 2017 1sts with SAC for rights to Gudaitis, rights to Mitrovic


Long list of moves, but honestly given what we know now, I don't think there is a single bad one there except perhaps the MCW trade pending the outcome of what that 1st ultimately ends up as (and that one is certainly defensible).  Sure at the time moving Turner and Allen and then Hawes looked bad, but they got a pretty nice return for what were clearly role players.  The Holiday and Young trades were both solid value even if they meant the Sixers were going to be very bad.

[apc]

So this is the opposite of Pharaoh’s dream, first come the seven skinny cows, then the 7 fat cows…

[LGC88]

They shouldn't have called it a 7 year plan. With what they are doing they should have just said we are tanking until we feel comfortable we have at least 2 franchise players however how long it takes. Lol

In all seriousness I think they were trying to follow the Thunder model.  The Thunder were lucky and could have just as easily drafted Oden instead of Durant, and lesser players instead of Harden, Westbrook, and Ibaka.

I always questioned the Embid move. At that time, I thought he was Danny's pick (I'm glad he didn't happen now, but it's easy to say).
To me, taking an injured big when you are rebuilding from 0 is not the right decision, specially when you already have a promising one in place (well sort of you might say).
Instead, Hinkie would have selected Exum or Smart. And even if they have a bit more wins, they would end up picking at 5 or 6 this year and get Winslow.
That would have been a Thunder model.
Now their bigs might have less trade value and they are still far from having a core of 3 talents to build on.

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