Jordan Hill signs with Pacers, why didn't DA go after him?

[BudweiserCeltic]

I don't like one year deals, and I think Danny Ainge doesn't either. From a value standpoint it doesn't offer much unless you're a legit contender.

[PhoSita]

Because he doesn't play defense and we don't need another borderline starter big with defensive issues.

[gpap]

I don't like one year deals, and I think Danny Ainge doesn't either. From a value standpoint it doesn't offer much unless you're a legit contender.

What about the Amir Johnson deal?

[gpap]

Looks like he wanted to start and Zeller starts over him if he is with C's. So Indy is best fit.

Why should Zeller automatically get to start over Hill?

At the very least let the guys battle it out for the starting position in training camp.

because he's a better player than Hill.
Amir Johnson is better.
So is David Lee.
Sullinger is better and Olynyk is arguably better.
No need for this scrub.

Sully, Johnson, Lee and Olynyk = All power forwards.

Zeller is not better than Hill.

At the very least they're equally talented.

I haven't seen enough of Hill to definitely say he's better than Zeller, but Zeller is not aggressive on defense or rebounding.

[gpap]

Because he doesn't play defense and we don't need another borderline starter big with defensive issues.

And Zeller does?

[BudweiserCeltic]

I don't like one year deals, and I think Danny Ainge doesn't either. From a value standpoint it doesn't offer much unless you're a legit contender.

What about the Amir Johnson deal?

You mean the 2-year deal (second year non-guaranteed which is actually a valuable asset to have), that Amir Johnson deal?

[gpap]

I don't like one year deals, and I think Danny Ainge doesn't either. From a value standpoint it doesn't offer much unless you're a legit contender.

What about the Amir Johnson deal?

You mean the 2-year deal (second year non-guaranteed which is actually a valuable asset to have), that Amir Johnson deal?

Yes that deal.

The deal where the 2nd year is non-guaranteed essentially making it a one year deal.

If that's such a big sticking point, then Ainge could've also offered that to Hill.

[CelticSooner]

It's not a one year deal. If a team wants him bad enough they'll have another season to keep him. The same for the C's.

[Endless Paradise]

Because he doesn't play defense and we don't need another borderline starter big with defensive issues.

All that needs to be said.

[ImShakHeIsShaq]

Yet another thread on another player who is no better than all of our guys that people are always trying to ship out. Celtics players are never good enough but please DA, go find players that provide  the same/less than they do and sell our guys for 2nds!! 

[Eja117]

I think I can explain this


Zeller is 2 inches taller and 2 years younger than Jordan Hill. He's also about 18 pounds heavier.

Jordan went for 12 pts and 8 rebs last year on a horrid Lakers team that was trying to tank. Those were career highs for him.
He didn't start all his games. He played 70 games while T Zeller played all 82 plus playoffs. Hill has never played more than 72 games.

Jordan's career fg% is .495 and he hit his career high in ft% last year at .738.  He has never averaged a block a game. The highest he ever hit was .9 twice. Last year he went for .7 despite playing his career high of minutes. He has also averaged over .5 steals a game once.

Hill also has at least a concerning injury history.

Ty Zeller....His career fg% is .505 and his career ft% is .776 in three seasons. He has played over 70 games all three of his years, including last year when he started 59 regular season games for the 7 seed in the East.

For whatever reason he didn't play tons of minutes last year. He played 21mpg. Let's for math say he played 20 and then increase his stats by a third hypothetically. He averaged 10, and let's say 6 (actually 5.7).  If you increase his minutes from 20 to 30 then proportionally....at 30 minutes a game, he's averaging 15 and 10, and Jordan hill can't say anything like that. He'd also have about 2 assists and a block a game.

Zeller isn't great but he's a better player than Jordan Hill.

[Jonny CC]

http://www.indystar.com/story/sports/nba/pacers/2015/07/13/pacers-sign-first-round-pick-myles-turner/30102123/

Hill would've been perfect for the Celts coming off a season where he averaged 12 points and 8 rebounds per game.

Of course he's not a guard, so why would Ainge show any interest?

God forbid he should sign a center.

Jackass!!

Q:  How do you know that Ainge didn't show interest? 
A:  You don't. 

I love these threads when posters act like they know everything.  ASSumptions.

[Jonny CC]

I don't like one year deals, and I think Danny Ainge doesn't either. From a value standpoint it doesn't offer much unless you're a legit contender.

What about the Amir Johnson deal?

You mean the 2-year deal (second year non-guaranteed which is actually a valuable asset to have), that Amir Johnson deal?

Yes that deal.

The deal where the 2nd year is non-guaranteed essentially making it a one year deal.

If that's such a big sticking point, then Ainge could've also offered that to Hill.

How do you know that Ainge didn't offer it?!?!?

[BDeCosta26]

Because he doesn't play defense and we don't need another borderline starter big with defensive issues.

And Zeller does?

Indeed he does. Very mediocre defense, but it's better than playing Olynyk at the 5 for 30 mpg. Haven't seen enough of Hill to say which is the better defender either, but I've seen enough of both to know that it doesn't really matter. Hill isn't a significantly better defender and He's a borderline starter on a mediocre team. Exactly where Zeller is, and at least Zeller showed a lot of improvement last year and is still young enough to have growth left. Johnson, Zeller, KO and the occasional Mickey sighting seems to be where we're going at the 5, and I like that better than losing flexibility to sign Jordan Hill of all people.

I like it for the Pacers though. They wouldn't have done very well if they had to give Turner big minutes from the jump, and Hill is athletic enough to fit the faster-pace style of play they're trying to implement. Good placeholder for a couple years. Vogel can make him look better defensively.

[Csfan1984]

Looks like he wanted to start and Zeller starts over him if he is with C's. So Indy is best fit.

Why should Zeller automatically get to start over Hill?

At the very least let the guys battle it out for the starting position in training camp.

because he's a better player than Hill.
Amir Johnson is better.
So is David Lee.
Sullinger is better and Olynyk is arguably better.
No need for this scrub.

Sully, Johnson, Lee and Olynyk = All power forwards.

Zeller is not better than Hill.

At the very least they're equally talented.

I haven't seen enough of Hill to definitely say he's better than Zeller, but Zeller is not aggressive on defense or rebounding.

Zeller is easily better than Hill.