Deron Williams negotiating release to play with Dallas, consequences for Celtics' picks [Merged]

[Denis998]

For those who are hoping for JJ to get traded, it won't happen. The reason why they waived Williams was so that they didn't have to trade Johnson so they could get under the tax. Johnson was the only one of the two who actually had some trade value.

Not that it matters. JJ is going on 35 and is on the decline. JJ or no JJ, the Nets are a Lopez injury from giving the Celtics a top 10 pick.

The Nets are going to be real bad the next two seasons. What a heist by Ainge, I says it's probable the C's get a top 8 pick, with a outside shot at top 3 if things break their way. The 17 draft will be special. Giles, Smith, Thon and Tatum etc...It's a loaded class.

NASTY! The ball handling and athleticism is insane when you consider he's a 6-10/230 PF.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=me1LjwDQXfM

Ill raise you a Thon Maker
https://youtu.be/z-VFbiqe0kQ

Its vids like these that make me kinda wish that Dallas does make it in the top 7 so that their pick would roll over for next year. 2017 is supposed to be loaded. 2016 is supposedly going to be weak outside of Simmons.

Hard to say next year is going to be shallow. I do agree though as of right now there isn't much top talent, however start of next NCAA season things might change. There is a guard I like, but I think that we are set in that department.

Agreed. I'm not writing off next year yet. But it is too bad that we only have one pick in 2017.

Mike

Maybe DA will work some of his magic and get a few more picks for that year.

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For those who are hoping for JJ to get traded, it won't happen. The reason why they waived Williams was so that they didn't have to trade Johnson so they could get under the tax. Johnson was the only one of the two who actually had some trade value.

Not that it matters. JJ is going on 35 and is on the decline. JJ or no JJ, the Nets are a Lopez injury from giving the Celtics a top 10 pick.

The Nets are going to be real bad the next two seasons. What a heist by Ainge, I says it's probable the C's get a top 8 pick, with a outside shot at top 3 if things break their way. The 17 draft will be special. Giles, Smith, Thon and Tatum etc...It's a loaded class.

NASTY! The ball handling and athleticism is insane when you consider he's a 6-10/230 PF.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=me1LjwDQXfM

Ill raise you a Thon Maker
https://youtu.be/z-VFbiqe0kQ

Its vids like these that make me kinda wish that Dallas does make it in the top 7 so that their pick would roll over for next year. 2017 is supposed to be loaded. 2016 is supposedly going to be weak outside of Simmons.

Hard to say next year is going to be shallow. I do agree though as of right now there isn't much top talent, however start of next NCAA season things might change. There is a guard I like, but I think that we are set in that department.

Agreed. I'm not writing off next year yet. But it is too bad that we only have one pick in 2017.

Mike

Maybe DA will work some of his magic and get a few more picks for that year.

That's what we need, more draft picks.

[Denis998]

For those who are hoping for JJ to get traded, it won't happen. The reason why they waived Williams was so that they didn't have to trade Johnson so they could get under the tax. Johnson was the only one of the two who actually had some trade value.

Not that it matters. JJ is going on 35 and is on the decline. JJ or no JJ, the Nets are a Lopez injury from giving the Celtics a top 10 pick.

The Nets are going to be real bad the next two seasons. What a heist by Ainge, I says it's probable the C's get a top 8 pick, with a outside shot at top 3 if things break their way. The 17 draft will be special. Giles, Smith, Thon and Tatum etc...It's a loaded class.

NASTY! The ball handling and athleticism is insane when you consider he's a 6-10/230 PF.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=me1LjwDQXfM

Ill raise you a Thon Maker
https://youtu.be/z-VFbiqe0kQ

Its vids like these that make me kinda wish that Dallas does make it in the top 7 so that their pick would roll over for next year. 2017 is supposed to be loaded. 2016 is supposedly going to be weak outside of Simmons.

Hard to say next year is going to be shallow. I do agree though as of right now there isn't much top talent, however start of next NCAA season things might change. There is a guard I like, but I think that we are set in that department.

Agreed. I'm not writing off next year yet. But it is too bad that we only have one pick in 2017.

Mike

Maybe DA will work some of his magic and get a few more picks for that year.

That's what we need, more draft picks.

Exactly, couldn't have said it better myself. TP

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Do people seriously think the Nets are going to pick higher than 7? I mean, anything can happen and all, but they lost a bunch of key players (Deron isn't great anymore, and his contract was horrible, but the dude was generally a positive for them), a bunch of teams below them this past year improved a lot, and they are banking on Brook Lopez staying healthy and being dominant for a full season, something that has never happened. Even if they keep Iso Joe, I think they are going to be very very bad this year. They have an atrocious bench. If Lopez, Young, and Johnson magically played 40 minutes every game all year long and were fresh-ish the whole time, I still see them as one of the worst 7-10 teams in the league. Being that that is a fantasy, this could easily be one of the absolute worst teams around, besides (obviously) the Sixers, who I suspect will sit Okafor for half the season with a cold.

[max215]

Do people seriously think the Nets are going to pick higher than 7? I mean, anything can happen and all, but they lost a bunch of key players (Deron isn't great anymore, and his contract was horrible, but the dude was generally a positive for them), a bunch of teams below them this past year improved a lot, and they are banking on Brook Lopez staying healthy and being dominant for a full season, something that has never happened. Even if they keep Iso Joe, I think they are going to be very very bad this year. They have an atrocious bench. If Lopez, Young, and Johnson magically played 40 minutes every game all year long and were fresh-ish the whole time, I still see them as one of the worst 7-10 teams in the league. Being that that is a fantasy, this could easily be one of the absolute worst teams around, besides (obviously) the Sixers, who I suspect will sit Okafor for half the season with a cold.

If Lopez goes down, they have the single worst roster in the NBA...and it's probably not that close.

[knuckleballer]

Do people seriously think the Nets are going to pick higher than 7? I mean, anything can happen and all, but they lost a bunch of key players (Deron isn't great anymore, and his contract was horrible, but the dude was generally a positive for them), a bunch of teams below them this past year improved a lot, and they are banking on Brook Lopez staying healthy and being dominant for a full season, something that has never happened. Even if they keep Iso Joe, I think they are going to be very very bad this year. They have an atrocious bench. If Lopez, Young, and Johnson magically played 40 minutes every game all year long and were fresh-ish the whole time, I still see them as one of the worst 7-10 teams in the league. Being that that is a fantasy, this could easily be one of the absolute worst teams around, besides (obviously) the Sixers, who I suspect will sit Okafor for hahlf the season with a cold.

If Lopez goes down, they have the single worst roster in the NBA...and it's probably not that close.

C'mon..... Ben Simmons

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KnjzoTBNwGo

[MikeJelly]

Do people seriously think the Nets are going to pick higher than 7? I mean, anything can happen and all, but they lost a bunch of key players (Deron isn't great anymore, and his contract was horrible, but the dude was generally a positive for them), a bunch of teams below them this past year improved a lot, and they are banking on Brook Lopez staying healthy and being dominant for a full season, something that has never happened. Even if they keep Iso Joe, I think they are going to be very very bad this year. They have an atrocious bench. If Lopez, Young, and Johnson magically played 40 minutes every game all year long and were fresh-ish the whole time, I still see them as one of the worst 7-10 teams in the league. Being that that is a fantasy, this could easily be one of the absolute worst teams around, besides (obviously) the Sixers, who I suspect will sit Okafor for hahlf the season with a cold.

If Lopez goes down, they have the single worst roster in the NBA...and it's probably not that close.

C'mon..... Ben Simmons

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KnjzoTBNwGo

*Mouth Waters*

So we just gotta wait a year to solve our SF problem? I'm good with it

[max215]

Do people seriously think the Nets are going to pick higher than 7? I mean, anything can happen and all, but they lost a bunch of key players (Deron isn't great anymore, and his contract was horrible, but the dude was generally a positive for them), a bunch of teams below them this past year improved a lot, and they are banking on Brook Lopez staying healthy and being dominant for a full season, something that has never happened. Even if they keep Iso Joe, I think they are going to be very very bad this year. They have an atrocious bench. If Lopez, Young, and Johnson magically played 40 minutes every game all year long and were fresh-ish the whole time, I still see them as one of the worst 7-10 teams in the league. Being that that is a fantasy, this could easily be one of the absolute worst teams around, besides (obviously) the Sixers, who I suspect will sit Okafor for hahlf the season with a cold.

If Lopez goes down, they have the single worst roster in the NBA...and it's probably not that close.

C'mon..... Ben Simmons

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KnjzoTBNwGo

If we get Simmons, we're set. And think about the blow that would do to the morale of the Nets organization; one year rentals of KG and PP could cost them a foundational player. We shouldn't get our hopes up though, even if everything goes wrong for the Nets, we still have just a 25% chance at Simmons. Regardless, I'll be setting up alerts on my phone for Nets games too this year, got to keep tabs on our assets.

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I also don't get the talk of the Nets keeping Johnson now. They're going to be bad, no matter what. Yes, they have no incentive to tank, since we get the pick, but this is not a playoff team by a long shot, unless an insane number of things happen to everyone else. If they can cut more costs this year (ie the Johnson-Haywood trade), why on earth wouldn't they do it? What's it matter if they have the 6th worst or worst record in the NBA in 2016? I can't imagine Johnson stays on that roster if they can get a taker who sends back non-guaranteed contracts. Hell, we should facilitate that if we can.

[tazzmaniac]

I also don't get the talk of the Nets keeping Johnson now. They're going to be bad, no matter what. Yes, they have no incentive to tank, since we get the pick, but this is not a playoff team by a long shot, unless an insane number of things happen to everyone else. If they can cut more costs this year (ie the Johnson-Haywood trade), why on earth wouldn't they do it? What's it matter if they have the 6th worst or worst record in the NBA in 2016? I can't imagine Johnson stays on that roster if they can get a taker who sends back non-guaranteed contracts. Hell, we should facilitate that if we can.

Now that the Nets are below the luxury tax line there is no reason for them to trade Johnson.  They'll put together the best team possible and try to make the playoffs.  If Lopez stays reasonably healthy, I expect their pick to fall in the 10 to 15 range. 

[JSD]

 #lesswinsforsimmons


The tankers new motto.

[D.o.s.]

#lesswinsforsimmons


The tankers new motto.

If the Celtics draft a B. Simmons the Boston-based sports internet will become 110% intolerable.

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I also don't get the talk of the Nets keeping Johnson now. They're going to be bad, no matter what. Yes, they have no incentive to tank, since we get the pick, but this is not a playoff team by a long shot, unless an insane number of things happen to everyone else. If they can cut more costs this year (ie the Johnson-Haywood trade), why on earth wouldn't they do it? What's it matter if they have the 6th worst or worst record in the NBA in 2016? I can't imagine Johnson stays on that roster if they can get a taker who sends back non-guaranteed contracts. Hell, we should facilitate that if we can.

Now that the Nets are below the luxury tax line there is no reason for them to trade Johnson.  They'll put together the best team possible and try to make the playoffs.  If Lopez stays reasonably healthy, I expect their pick to fall in the 10 to 15 range.

I don't see the playoffs as even remotely possible for them. They are (possibly significantly) worse than last year. Its not just DWill (who is far superior than any PG they have), but also Mirza and Plumlee who are gone. Johnson is another year older. They have zero depth, which is a huge problem being that their key players are old or fragile. They barely made the playoffs last year, and I would say 3-4 teams below them will easily leapfrog them. The only team in the East that I'd say is definitely worse than them is Philly. Everyone else is possibly/probably better. If you have no real chance at the postseason, why pay Johnson when you can dump him and save some more money?

[tazzmaniac]

I also don't get the talk of the Nets keeping Johnson now. They're going to be bad, no matter what. Yes, they have no incentive to tank, since we get the pick, but this is not a playoff team by a long shot, unless an insane number of things happen to everyone else. If they can cut more costs this year (ie the Johnson-Haywood trade), why on earth wouldn't they do it? What's it matter if they have the 6th worst or worst record in the NBA in 2016? I can't imagine Johnson stays on that roster if they can get a taker who sends back non-guaranteed contracts. Hell, we should facilitate that if we can.

Now that the Nets are below the luxury tax line there is no reason for them to trade Johnson.  They'll put together the best team possible and try to make the playoffs.  If Lopez stays reasonably healthy, I expect their pick to fall in the 10 to 15 range.

I don't see the playoffs as even remotely possible for them. They are (possibly significantly) worse than last year. Its not just DWill (who is far superior than any PG they have), but also Mirza and Plumlee who are gone. Johnson is another year older. They have zero depth, which is a huge problem being that their key players are old or fragile. They barely made the playoffs last year, and I would say 3-4 teams below them will easily leapfrog them. The only team in the East that I'd say is definitely worse than them is Philly. Everyone else is possibly/probably better. If you have no real chance at the postseason, why pay Johnson when you can dump him and save some more money?

Because they can make the playoffs.  They resigned Lopez and Young because they want to compete for the playoffs.  Dwill, Mirza and Plumlee are not a big loss.  There's no reason for Johnson's game to decline much.  I expect he'll play another 5 years around the same productivity.  Miami is the only team below them that should definitely leapfrog them. 

Finally even if they wanted to dump Johnson, it would be very difficult because he's making nearly 25mil.  No team has close to that in non-guaranteed salary or cap space.  So even if they could find a trading partner, the most they'd save is 10mil or so. 

[chambers]

I also don't get the talk of the Nets keeping Johnson now. They're going to be bad, no matter what. Yes, they have no incentive to tank, since we get the pick, but this is not a playoff team by a long shot, unless an insane number of things happen to everyone else. If they can cut more costs this year (ie the Johnson-Haywood trade), why on earth wouldn't they do it? What's it matter if they have the 6th worst or worst record in the NBA in 2016? I can't imagine Johnson stays on that roster if they can get a taker who sends back non-guaranteed contracts. Hell, we should facilitate that if we can.

Now that the Nets are below the luxury tax line there is no reason for them to trade Johnson.  They'll put together the best team possible and try to make the playoffs.  If Lopez stays reasonably healthy, I expect their pick to fall in the 10 to 15 range.

I don't see the playoffs as even remotely possible for them. They are (possibly significantly) worse than last year. Its not just DWill (who is far superior than any PG they have), but also Mirza and Plumlee who are gone. Johnson is another year older. They have zero depth, which is a huge problem being that their key players are old or fragile. They barely made the playoffs last year, and I would say 3-4 teams below them will easily leapfrog them. The only team in the East that I'd say is definitely worse than them is Philly. Everyone else is possibly/probably better. If you have no real chance at the postseason, why pay Johnson when you can dump him and save some more money?

Because they can make the playoffs.  They resigned Lopez and Young because they want to compete for the playoffs.  Dwill, Mirza and Plumlee are not a big loss.  There's no reason for Johnson's game to decline much.  I expect he'll play another 5 years around the same productivity.  Miami is the only team below them that should definitely leapfrog them. 

Finally even if they wanted to dump Johnson, it would be very difficult because he's making nearly 25mil.  No team has close to that in non-guaranteed salary or cap space.  So even if they could find a trading partner, the most they'd save is 10mil or so.

I agree with you that hey'll still be a threat to the 7th/8th seed in the East, although considering that the rest of the East has improved I think they're more likely to be somewhere between 10-12. Although Vegas has them with a top 8 pick so who knows.
Btw, I think moving Johnson is more about trying to avoid luxury tax penalties than anything.