Deron Williams negotiating release to play with Dallas, consequences for Celtics' picks [Merged]

[Big333223]

From Mike Mazzeo's twitter:

#Nets don't want to spend $40 million in luxury taxes on a borderline playoff team. Have already spent $122 million in BKN for one series W.

Billy King said Thursday that team is essentially looking at McCullough as its 2016 first. #Nets owe their 2016 unprotected first to Celts.

https://twitter.com/mazzespn

That all sounds like good news.

[hpantazo]

If Williams gets bought out, he still counts towards the Nets' cap doesn't he?  The only benefit for the Nets is that they only have to pay him whatever they agree to instead of the full contract, right?  They said they don't want to use the stretch provision, so they'd still on the hook for ~21 million dollars the next two years.

It's a negotiation. Usually the player will accept less money in exchange for his freedom.

It's a negotiation in terms of actual money paid to the player, but I believe the entire amount of the original contract still counts against the cap regardless. Sounds like it doesn't matter either way because the Nets want to save money and wouldn't use the hypothetical cap space anyway.

[droopdog7]

front page of espn right now.  looks to be a real possibility so he can sign free and clear with the Mavs. interesting to say the least.  sad to say the Nets looked better last year with him on the sideline and replaced by Jack in the starting lineup as is.  obviously would impact our team on multiple fronts in that the odds of that Mavs pick being outside the top 7 rise, and who knows what happens to that Nets pick (nevermind the future Nets picks) as i can see the argument both that they're better and worse without him.

On the one hand Williams makes the Nets worse but he will make the Mavs better?  I suppose this is possible but there does seem to be a contradiction there.

[mef730]

If Williams gets bought out, he still counts towards the Nets' cap doesn't he?  The only benefit for the Nets is that they only have to pay him whatever they agree to instead of the full contract, right?  They said they don't want to use the stretch provision, so they'd still on the hook for ~21 million dollars the next two years.

It's a negotiation. Usually the player will accept less money in exchange for his freedom.

It's a negotiation in terms of actual money paid to the player, but I believe the entire amount of the original contract still counts against the cap regardless. Sounds like it doesn't matter either way because the Nets want to save money and wouldn't use the hypothetical cap space anyway.

It sounds like the concern is the 2016 free agent class. If they still have the cap hit, how does dumping DWill help?

Mike

[jdpapa3]

But on the Brooklyn side, part of me nervously wonders if Williams leaving Brooklyn would end up being addition by subtraction.  We saw it here with Rondo.  We need Brooklyn to be as bad as possible and I'm not convinced Deron Williams leaving makes that happen.  Shows you how far his career has fallen from his Utah days.

I don't see that happening. Williams had his bad moments, but was still a reasonable starting pg in the league last season. The Nets were a neutral team with him and terrible with Jack running the point. Jack is horrible. We're in good shape if he's taking the pg minutes this season. Larkin is worse, though he may improve with experience. Steve Blake ain't bad, but he's not swinging their win total in either direction.

[hpantazo]

If Williams gets bought out, he still counts towards the Nets' cap doesn't he?  The only benefit for the Nets is that they only have to pay him whatever they agree to instead of the full contract, right?  They said they don't want to use the stretch provision, so they'd still on the hook for ~21 million dollars the next two years.

It's a negotiation. Usually the player will accept less money in exchange for his freedom.

It's a negotiation in terms of actual money paid to the player, but I believe the entire amount of the original contract still counts against the cap regardless. Sounds like it doesn't matter either way because the Nets want to save money and wouldn't use the hypothetical cap space anyway.

It sounds like the concern is the 2016 free agent class. If they still have the cap hit, how does dumping DWill help?

Mike

With the huge cap increase coming in 2016 they don't need to move him to save cap space. It sounds like management just wants to save money this year. They don't want to pay this much for a roster that will suck , so since they have accepted that they will suck they may as well save some money.

[Boris Badenov]

If Williams gets bought out, he still counts towards the Nets' cap doesn't he?  The only benefit for the Nets is that they only have to pay him whatever they agree to instead of the full contract, right?  They said they don't want to use the stretch provision, so they'd still on the hook for ~21 million dollars the next two years.

It's a negotiation. Usually the player will accept less money in exchange for his freedom.

It's a negotiation in terms of actual money paid to the player, but I believe the entire amount of the original contract still counts against the cap regardless. Sounds like it doesn't matter either way because the Nets want to save money and wouldn't use the hypothetical cap space anyway.

I posted something a page or two back on this - according to the cap FAQ, the buyout amount is what counts against the cap, stretched over the number of years remaining on the contract. (Minus any new salary paid by another team.)

I had actually thought the original contract amount was what counted too. I think that's true if a player is waived outright.

[Tr1boy]

Dallas wont be that great next season.  No worries.

Brooklyn also wont be that great. But the picks will be around 15-18 unfortunately

[rondohondo]

Dallas wont be that great next season.  No worries.

Brooklyn also wont be that great. But the picks will be around 15-18 unfortunately

lopez could easily miss 20 games . To me that pick is looking more and more like a top 10 next year wooo hooo

Dallas will probably be around 10-15

Nice!

[Ilikesports17]

Dallas wont be that great next season.  No worries.

Brooklyn also wont be that great. But the picks will be around 15-18 unfortunately

You think they make the playoffs?

its too early to really set anything in stone but in the east
Cleveland, Atlanta, Chicago, Washington, Milwakee, Miami seem like locks with Indiana, Boston, and Toronto all looking pretty decent as well.
and in the West
GSW, San Antonio, LA, Memphis, Houston, OKC seem like locks and Id give Phoenix, New Orleans, and Utah all the edge over Dallas especially with Parsons and Wes coming off injuries.

I think Brooklyn will be 10th in the East and I think Dallas is 10th in the West. Which would come out to something like the 9th and 12th picks or something in that vicinity.

[D Dub]

at this rate, our 2016 firsts will double in value by years end. 

[Forza Juventus]

This would be good for the Brooklyn pick and wouldn't make Dallas much better because they are in the west

[celticsclay]

Dallas wont be that great next season.  No worries.

Brooklyn also wont be that great. But the picks will be around 15-18 unfortunately

is this being pessimistic just for the sake of being pessimistic? The Dallas pick will be really hard to predict because their two best players will be coming off injuries and nobody on their team has played together. However, I am really not sure how you can say a team that starts

Jarret Jack
Markel Brown
Joe Johnson
Thad Young
Brook Lopez

with a bench of boatright, blake, rookies, vet mins

ends up with the 18th pick? That is ridiculous even for the east. Please name 5 teams that team is better than in either conference..

[Snakehead]

This could be good for our Mavs pick and the Nets picks is the awesome thing 

[SparzWizard]

Dallas wont be that great next season.  No worries.

Brooklyn also wont be that great. But the picks will be around 15-18 unfortunately

is this being pessimistic just for the sake of being pessimistic? The Dallas pick will be really hard to predict because their two best players will be coming off injuries and nobody on their team has played together. However, I am really not sure how you can say a team that starts

Jarret Jack
Markel Brown
Joe Johnson
Thad Young
Brook Lopez

with a bench of boatright, blake, rookies, vet mins

ends up with the 18th pick? That is ridiculous even for the east. Please name 5 teams that team is better than in either conference..

Cavs, Bulls, Bucks, Hawks, Heat, Pacers, Wizards, Celtics lol. Then you got the Pistons rising and the return of Carmelo Anthony + Porzingis. The Bobcats/Hornets just acquired Jeremy Lin as well.

I think I have them in the bottom 3-4 team.