BOS still has Cap Room + possible S+T for Amir Johnson - Basketball Insiders

[Hemingway]

Because of the NBAs week off to set the hotdog prices for next year, the order of events of the last week are not the order in which they go in the book. This might mean we can keep out TPEs right? 1. Trade for Lee
2. Sign and trade Amir into the rondo TPE
3. Resign our guys

Would that keep us over?

Another important question is do we want to be over the cap? I'm not sure in the new repeater tax has come into full effect, but my basic understanding of it is you can't stay over the cap for too many consecutive years. So wouldn't dipping below it now potentially give us more time to stay above it later? I think I'm not getting it all here, can someone help?

[Robb]

Unless the Amir contract is altered to be for three years it can't be used in a sign and trade and can't be brought into the Cs books with the Rondo TPE.

The repeater tax is for teams that stay over the luxury tax, that's separate from going over the salary cap. I believe we're pretty far away from that.

The best resources here are the CBA Faq by Larry Coon for details about the CBA. Specific to the Celtics Ryan Bernardoni aka Dangercart--who I just wrote about on another thread--is a great resource.

[LarBrd33]

I assumed we were using the trade exception to get amir... Which is why his contract is 12 mil.  No?

[Hemingway]

Unless the Amir contract is altered to be for three years it can't be used in a sign and trade and can't be brought into the Cs books with the Rondo TPE.

The repeater tax is for teams that stay over the luxury tax, that's separate from going over the salary cap. I believe we're pretty far away from that.

The best resources here are the CBA Faq by Larry Coon for details about the CBA. Specific to the Celtics Ryan Bernardoni aka Dangercart--who I just wrote about on another thread--is a great resource.

Thanks, thats what I was forgetting.

So then we probably will do a 3 year sign and trade with only the 1st year guaranteed so we can keep the smaller TPEs. ?

[Robb]

I assumed we were using the trade exception to get amir... Which is why his contract is 12 mil.  No?

I wonder if it was the intention and then also if it was part of the "negotiation" that was still going on and we might see when the moratorium lifts. At this point nothing is signed so they could still work something out, but as its reported right now it's the two year deal with the second year not guaranteed. For a contract to be used in a sign and trade it needs to be at least 3 years. I'm about 95% sure that the second two years could be non guaranteed years or option years, but that's what Ainge and Zarren are working out I'm sure.  Zarren is one of the most talented cap gurus in the league, so they could continue to work magic but we'll see. Hard to understand why Amir would sign a contract with two non guaranteed years, though. I believe it's unprecedented at the amount of money that's attached to it.

All signs indicate that the team went under the cap, let the TPE's expire and signed Amir into cap space.

[Celtics4ever]

Unless the Amir contract is altered to be for three years it can't be used in a sign and trade and can't be brought into the Cs books with the Rondo TPE

What contract, they have a deal nothing is final until the 9th!

[Robb]

Unless the Amir contract is altered to be for three years it can't be used in a sign and trade and can't be brought into the Cs books with the Rondo TPE

What contract, they have a deal nothing is final until the 9th!

You're right. After the first reports of it being agreed to came out there was another source saying that it was still being negotiated. Nothing came of that and everyone is still reporting its a two year pact. I assumed the negotiation was trying to get a third year tacked on.

[BudweiserCeltic]

I assumed we were using the trade exception to get amir... Which is why his contract is 12 mil.  No?

It can only be traded for, else it means we're using cap space (and losing all our exceptions).

And if traded for, S&T, then it needs to be a 3-year contract... only the first one needs to be guaranteed.

[saltlover]

I assumed we were using the trade exception to get amir... Which is why his contract is 12 mil.  No?

The Rondo exception was for $13 million, so I think it's just coincidence.

[saltlover]

I believe S+T deals must be at least 3 years long, so for Amir to be a S+T the reported terms of his deal would need to be changed.

Not really sure at this point what the Celts would use that cap space on anyway, though.

That is correct. Also not clear what the incentive would be to TOR. I do think Cs try to get back over the cap and keep their trade exceptions which are pretty large.

TOR is over the cap, no? In which case, they would get a $12 mil trade exception. That's an asset for a GM like Ujiri.

They would get no such exception.  To sign-and-trade Johnson would require using his Bird rights, which would be a cap hold that takes them over the cap, leaving no room for their other signings.  They could do the S&T first, but then they'd have to the exception to sign their free agents.

But that's why we have a bajillion second round picks.  They can get a free second or two out of it, which is why they'd do it.  The bigger question is would Amir Johnson do it.  I assume he would, because I don't think he expects to get $12 million next year, so a third year is moot.  But he would have to consent.