Globe: Monroe, Millsap /C's offered Brk 2016 in draft,but not Marcus Smart

[walker834]

I guess my point is Ainge explores all this stuff and scouts all these guys and his guess is much more educated.  I trust that plus i've researched it myself and feel the same way. It adds up.

I have no issue with what the celtics decided to do. I think they did really well and wish people were more in tune with that but it's probably a good thing.

WAtching tape of our draft I was impressed.

[P2]

Witht he draft we really dont know but I like Rozier's game.  Right now he could end up better than Winslow and we might look back and say DA was really smart there. 

You guys get it? "Ainge was Smart!" LOL

[walker834]

That's right.   That was pun was sort of intended.

[moiso]

I think Rozier is a similarly rated prospect to Winslow.   IT's more the price was just too steep though.  Ainge was relieved and I don't blame him.  He did the right thing.  He felt it in his gut and did the right thing.  Ainge will explore moves but ultimately usually does the right thing.  I don't think this is any different.

Oden is a guy fans were chanting for.  I wanted Durant at the time but wouldn't surprise me to see Ainge take a flier on a guy like Oden now on the cheap. Now he might be worth it but again if Ainge does that he will explore all avenues.

Witht he draft we really dont know but I like Rozier's game.  Right now he could end up better than Winslow and we might look back and say DA was really smart there.   Time will tell though.  No one knows that for sure right now but that's what my gut says.

I'm also glad that Smart wasn't shipped out.  But Rozier was in no way a similarly rated prospect to Winslow. 
Also, who cares if you would have taken Durant over Oden?  I would have taken Oden over Durant back then, but I wouldn't even sign him for the minimum right now as you would like to do.  He would hog a roster spot and he has no upside anymore.

[colincb]

- Smart was a second tier talent in the 2014 draft. So was Winslow this year. Smart went 6th. Winslow slid to 10.

- This was a weaker draft than last year primarily on the back end. At the top, there was also more hype for Wiggins, Parker, and Embiid than Towns, Okafor, and Russell. 2014 was very hyped going in. It didn't live up to the hype off of one, but three players in the top 7 had major injuries. In any case it's the very rare rookie who doesn't struggle and with more and more 1-and-dones it's going to get worse.

- Smart had good advanced stats for a rookie and compared well to prior draft classes. He played at a high level defensively for a rookie and his +/- stats were better than all rookies except Mirotic, who's a faux rookie and better VORP than all rookies except Noel, who is another faux rookie.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=1&p1=smartma01&p2=paytoel01&p3=wiggian01&p4=mirotni01&p5=noelne01&p6=clarkjo01

[LGC88]

I guess my point is Ainge explores all this stuff and scouts all these guys and his guess is much more educated.  I trust that plus i've researched it myself and feel the same way. It adds up.

I have no issue with what the celtics decided to do. I think they did really well and wish people were more in tune with that but it's probably a good thing.

WAtching tape of our draft I was impressed.

TP

[littleteapot]

I guess my point is Ainge explores all this stuff and scouts all these guys and his guess is much more educated.  I trust that plus i've researched it myself and feel the same way. It adds up.

I have no issue with what the celtics decided to do. I think they did really well and wish people were more in tune with that but it's probably a good thing.

WAtching tape of our draft I was impressed.

So did the teams that picked Myles Turner, Trey Lyles, Devin Booker, Cameron Payne and Kelly Oubre not have a more educated guess than you? They apparently all thought that Rozier was such a "similarly rated prospect to Winslow" that he went 6 picks later.

[krumeto]

I have zero interest in adding Milsap.

Milsap to me is what David West would have been to the big 3. Great player, by no mean a foundation.

We have no chance at him anyway, so all this is media filling in the time void until 01.07.

[footey]

That's what I read too. Most of this stuff is rumors people need to understand.  DA has said countless times in the past teams call and want our best players and then somehow it becomes a rumor that we are offering them.  C's are not stupid. They wouldn't offer up Marcus.

I can't handle these posts from you. I don't mean disrespect, but they're constantly flirting with delusional. Do you truly believe Winslow will not be better than Smart? How do you feel about Smart's inadequacy to get to the rim (his only offensive ability)? Previously undisclosed, undiagnosed/trivial ankle issue?

Yes I do think Marcus is more valuable. He was the 6th pick in a strong draft class. Trading Marcus to move up would have solved nothing and put us in worse position.

You didn't answer my questions at all. He was sixth pick in a much crappier draft, and Winslow fell hard due to poor decision-making. Why do you think Smart will be better? And what makes you think he will be able to attack in the league?

Edit: Building? What are we building? We build through trades, not draft or FA.. and we failed to do that again this year. Next year will be the exact same situation. We will soon be regressing, not rebuilding.

This is the whole point.  We are building something.  You do build through the draft and free agency and making "smart" trades.  Trading Marcus and a boatload of picks to move up 7 slots is not a smart trade.

You build through building an environment and atmosphere that players want to play in.  You don't just make trades for the sake of it with no plan in sight.

This is my whole point. DA has said these things himself if you listen to him for years yet the media doesn't even listen to what he says. If you look at what he does that is what he does.  Then these media people are like i'm so shocked and surprised.  I get it. I'm rarely shocked or surprised because I understand what he's trying to do.

Then people think i'm the one being the jerk when they don't even listen or have a clue what I'm saying either.  I listen to what the celtics try to do. That's the whole point.

A lot of fans are in their own circles of people adn don't even listen or research it.  They think their world is the celtics world.

Name one significant draft pick we have had since Pierce (who slipped to us). And 7 slots in this draft meant a lot. If you believe Rozier is comparable to Winslow, I'd love to know why.

Name one significant FA we have signed in recent years.. you can go back that far, if you'd like.

That is not the way our team works, and the one major trade we had happened with a future all-star PF (best post-moves in league) as the centerpiece, with a good old pal of DA's.

Al Jefferson was a significant draft pick after Pierce, you admit as much in your own response.

[Celtics4ever]

If you and I put out false information on our jobs, we would likely be fired.   However, reporters get away with it routinely and their job should be to report not speculate.  A lot of journalism is bad nowadays and there are only a few that I trust.  Woj is one of my favs, his draft reporting was excellent.

[rollie mass]

smart also had a year under his belt,a merry go round of players ,a injury and then add the playoffs -alot of experience -good and bad,whats that worth!!!
smart has been tested and passed with a really good all around season under adverse conditions

[Irish Stew]

Smart as part of a godfather offer for Okafor probably made sense. For Winslow, it seems like it would have been closer to a lateral move, or a gross overpay if the Brooklyn pick would also have been included.

[BudweiserCeltic]

I have no doubt that Smart was offered around, I just don't think he was offered in a trade merely to move up in the draft.

For example, I have no doubt that Smart might have been in the package to get Noel (and the 3rd pick) and Cousins.

I don't think he was part of the package simply to get a pick #3-#15.

[KeepRondo]

That's what I read too. Most of this stuff is rumors people need to understand.  DA has said countless times in the past teams call and want our best players and then somehow it becomes a rumor that we are offering them.  C's are not stupid. They wouldn't offer up Marcus.

I can't handle these posts from you. Do you truly believe Winslow will not be better than Smart? How do you feel about Smart's inadequacy to get to the rim (his only offensive ability)? Previously undisclosed, undiagnosed/trivial ankle issue?

Smart has pretty good basketball instincts so I'll say he probably will figure out how to score in the paint.

Hopefully he comes back with a little more lift and works on his touch around the rim.

[KeepRondo]

I have no doubt that Smart was offered around, I just don't think he was offered in a trade merely to move up in the draft.

For example, I have no doubt that Smart might have been in the package to get Noel (and the 3rd pick) and Cousins.

I don't think he was part of the package simply to get a pick #3-#15.

Not sure I agree that he was offered up but I like your trade idea. If we did use Smart to get Noel, I would want more. The Sixers are in a bad situation with Embiid and Okafor both already showing frustration with the situation.

I would offer Smart for Noel and Saric. We would throw in the 2017 Nets pick.