Source: Celtics will continue shopping Smart after getting Rozier

[Mass_1081]

   Look, I expected more on offense from Smart also, but I don't think he was a hundred percent to blame also. He had the twentieth lowest usg% among rookies, that's terrible for the sixth pick. The kid is not a pick and pop shooter. They should have gave Smart the point position, took the bumps and bruises and they would have been drafting in the top ten. I still think he can improve on offense, he showed signs of it the end of the season when Brad finally let Smart bring the ball up more. He really improve his three point shot from college also. Ill be really dissapointed if they give up this kid after one season after sitting through such a losing season.

[Mass_1081]

I'd try my best to shop Banks 2.0 as well. He just isnt a starter in the NBA.

   Even if you don't like Smart this is just plain dumb, not even compareable players.

[BDeCosta26]

yeah ok... agree to disagree.   I expected more from Smart.  Many people here did too (I've seen the threads).  I don't think we anticipated that his rookie numbers would be on a par with rookie Iman Shumpert.  That was disappointing.  If you expected Iman Shumpert numbers, good for you.  I expected more.  Anyways...   The only way we're trading him is in a trade package for a much better prospect (noel/embiid) or in a trade package for a star (Melo/Cousins)...  None of that is likely to happen... so whatever.   Here's hoping Smart makes strides in year 2.   He's got the mental makeup that you can't rule him out.   He's a great defender.  HOpefully he can develop into a competent offensive player... right now he's got a long way to go to even be as good as prime Tony Allen.

Absolutely, allow me to give you a TP. I went off a bit there, been a rough day for this C's fan.

To me though, it's all about context. Did I expect better numbers from Smart? At one point when we traded Rondo. But once we got IT I knew CBS wasn't going to be handing the keys to Smart. If that trade never happened I woulda been more disappointed if he put up the same numbers. Like I said, his elite defense demanded major PT, but with his offense so far behind it only makes sense to limit his responsibilities and have him work on his biggest weakness (his jumpshot). Which I think we can all agree improved dramatically this year.

I get that your not high on Smart, but as others have said his defense is elite. By his prime he can certainly be as good as TA. And if TA could shoot a halfway respectable jumper, he'd be an all-star. That's almost Smart's floor, he could be much better than that. Philly wants him, but Hinkie is smart enough to realize Noel is worth more and is trying to beat DA at his own game. Much more likely some combo of Bradley, KO/Sully/Zeller and Turner/Young/Hunter and/or picks is traded for a legit C.

Again, I apologize for the hostility.

[dreamgreen]

Why is noone talking about IT being shopped? His contract is nice and he can easily put up 20ppg.

That's easy -- because he's a keeper.

If IT can't get Love here this off season than he needs to go ASAP. You've seen the best of him and in the playoffs you saw the real him, ball hog that plays hero ball. I highly doubt he can change who he is the only thing we can do is play him less. In the regular season he gets away with being undersized and being a gunner. In the playoffs teams focus on him and shut him down and if you remember it wasn't that hard the Cavs made him look like a high school kid out there.

I'll take my chances with a "ball hog" who averages 7 apg and gets to the line 9 times per game.

To each his own, you forgot to mention he had 3.5 turnovers shot .333 from the floor and .167 from the 3 point line.

IT most certainly did not shoot .167 from 3 this season.

Those were his playoff numbers, you know when things matter the most.

[dreamgreen]

yeah ok... agree to disagree.   I expected more from Smart.  Many people here did too (I've seen the threads).  I don't think we anticipated that his rookie numbers would be on a par with rookie Iman Shumpert.  That was disappointing.  If you expected Iman Shumpert numbers, good for you.  I expected more.  Anyways...   The only way we're trading him is in a trade package for a much better prospect (noel/embiid) or in a trade package for a star (Melo/Cousins)...  None of that is likely to happen... so whatever.   Here's hoping Smart makes strides in year 2.   He's got the mental makeup that you can't rule him out.   He's a great defender.  HOpefully he can develop into a competent offensive player... right now he's got a long way to go to even be as good as prime Tony Allen.

Offensively he's already better than Tony Allen, TA sucks, he has low BBIQ and is a train wreck on offense. I'll take Smart over him every time.

[Irish Stew]

People who believe that Hinckie will accept a trade of Smart for Noel are deluding themselves. It's going to be really costly to get Philly to bite: Smart, Young and Brooklyn 2016 unprotected. That's a lot, but if you actually want the player to anchor your defense, and I do, that's the cost of doing business. We have 8 or 9 guards here now and something has to give. Smart and Young have the upside potential that Philly looks for and Brooklyn 2016 may be a very good pick. If you want Noel, it will be painful or Hinckie will just keep his three bigs until he gets the kind of deal that he wants. Guys like Bradley, Sullinger, and Olynyk are what they are, useful players but the kind of players you can easily draft with midround 1sts or acquire in smaller trades or free agency once you have your star players. That's not what Philly is looking for.

[dreamgreen]

People who believe that Hinckie will accept a trade of Smart for Noel are deluding themselves. It's going to be really costly to get Philly to bite: Smart, Young and Brooklyn 2016 unprotected. That's a lot, but if you actually want the player to anchor your defense, and I do, that's the cost of doing business. We have 8 or 9 guards here now and something has to give. Smart and Young have the upside potential that Philly looks for and Brooklyn 2016 may be a very good pick. If you want Noel, it will be painful or Hinckie will just keep his three bigs until he gets the kind of deal that he wants. Guys like Bradley, Sullinger, and Olynyk are what they are, useful players but the kind of players you can easily draft with midround 1sts or acquire in smaller trades or free agency once you have your star players. That's not what Philly is looking for.

True enough, hopefully he will take a boat load of picks because right now we have way to many and we need to dump them.

[Monkhouse]

I would say for those disappointed with Smart, I can totally understand. His ability to score was non-existent. At times he looked way too slow, terrible handles, and needed a lot of more work on offense than imagined.

But Smart is still young, so lets hope for the best.

I love his ferocity on the court, and his hustle. I would say Draymond Green reminds me of Smart, in terms of their defense, hustle, and being vocal leaders.

[smokeablount]

They should have gave Smart the point position, took the bumps and bruises and they would have been drafting in the top ten.

Ugh, I just threw up in my mouth a little bit because of the truth of this statement.  There were plenty of ways to finish with 30 wins but this one move would've almost guaranteed that Top 10 pick while simultaneously accelerating the development of our top asset / 2nd youngest player.

As a wanna-be GM who is more active on CB in lottery years than title years, and a dude clamoring for Willie CS and DeAngelo Russell before conference play and who also came to love Justise, this whole season has been a small tragedy for me, from players I liked becoming unobtainable to Rondo taking a p--- on his legacy here to us senselessly making the playoffs. 

I'm not even that p---ed at the draft, I like the middle 2 picks and admit to being clueless about Rozier, but the past 12 months have now made anything less than KLove, Lamarcus or Monroe (plus Bismack or Robin Lopez) a pretty sizable failure.  And I don't see those FAs getting signed

[shrinkage36]

If you think Smart sucks, what makes you think his trade value will bring in a Super Star? And if you think he's great, why not try to bring in someone to play along side him? I like it when teams can score, but can't stop anyone. Mavs come to mind.

[shrinkage36]

Now that I think about it, if Smart does goes to Philly, Philly will be contenders soon. If the Celtics can't see the value in this player, then someone one will. Giving up on a player after 1 year is silly. But I understand that the fans really really want a Center that they hope can be special.

[GreenPride17]

whats a fair package for Smart?

[LarBrd33]

whats a fair package for Smart?

The inverse of trading Smart + middling picks for a guy like Embiid/Noel/Okafor... would probably be trading Smart for a package of Tyler Ennis + middling picks. 

You wouldn't do that, right?  I wouldn't either.  Same reason why Smart + middling picks is unlikely to get us a major upgrade.  No sense in arguing about his trade value.  Our failure to acquire a top prospect or star this summer via trade will speak volumes about Smart's trade value.

[LarBrd33]

yeah ok... agree to disagree.   I expected more from Smart.  Many people here did too (I've seen the threads).  I don't think we anticipated that his rookie numbers would be on a par with rookie Iman Shumpert.  That was disappointing.  If you expected Iman Shumpert numbers, good for you.  I expected more.  Anyways...   The only way we're trading him is in a trade package for a much better prospect (noel/embiid) or in a trade package for a star (Melo/Cousins)...  None of that is likely to happen... so whatever.   Here's hoping Smart makes strides in year 2.   He's got the mental makeup that you can't rule him out.   He's a great defender.  HOpefully he can develop into a competent offensive player... right now he's got a long way to go to even be as good as prime Tony Allen.

Offensively he's already better than Tony Allen, TA sucks, he has low BBIQ and is a train wreck on offense. I'll take Smart over him every time.

People like to say that Smart is better offensively than Tony Allen.  Few actually look into it.

Smart rookie shooting:  36%/33%/64%
Allen rookie shooting:  48%/39%/74%

Dunno, man.

[tarheelsxxiii]

yeah ok... agree to disagree.   I expected more from Smart.  Many people here did too (I've seen the threads).  I don't think we anticipated that his rookie numbers would be on a par with rookie Iman Shumpert.  That was disappointing.  If you expected Iman Shumpert numbers, good for you.  I expected more.  Anyways...   The only way we're trading him is in a trade package for a much better prospect (noel/embiid) or in a trade package for a star (Melo/Cousins)...  None of that is likely to happen... so whatever.   Here's hoping Smart makes strides in year 2.   He's got the mental makeup that you can't rule him out.   He's a great defender.  HOpefully he can develop into a competent offensive player... right now he's got a long way to go to even be as good as prime Tony Allen.

I'm higher on Smart than you. Only slightly higher than you on what he gave us this year, but significantly higher as to what his upside is (I think with the jump shot he we will be better than prime Tony Allen next year)

Completely agree with everything else though, which is more agreement than we usually have, so TP.

I'm close to both of you. Will not be as good of a defender, but probably can give a bit more offensively. Agree with all other comments of LarBrd's re: his trade value and the likelihood of that happening.