Ainge's Offer for the 9th Pick

[PhoSita]

I imagine Charlotte was holding out for one of the Brooklyn picks.

I would have offered #16, BRK's 2016 pick, and Bradley.


Lots of people around here placing a lot of hopes on those BRK picks, but in a weak East it's always more likely a pick will end up in the middle than at the top or bottom of the draft.  This draft had a strong top 10 and was very weak everywhere else, so paying a premium for a pick in that range made sense.


Having all of these first round picks has diminishing returns.  We only have so much roster space for role players on rookie deals.  Other teams know that, which is why they're going to try and squeeze Danny for multiple picks in every deal.

You do realize that other teams are going to get stronger, unlike the Nets who seem to be losing talent.

Chances are nobody will be more motivated than the Nets to pony up lots of $$ for Thad Young and B. Lopez this summer, and they'll still have D-Will and JJ: unexciting and on the decline, but competent.

Competence is all it takes to win enough in the East to land in the middle.  Just look at our team this past year.  The Nets also had a pretty decent draft day, adding RHJ to bolster their wing depth.  On a team full of shot-happy guys, he'll be able to just focus on defense and hustle.

[Grindfather]

He should have offered Olynyk.  He's essentially the same player as Kaminsky.

[gpap]

I imagine Charlotte was holding out for one of the Brooklyn picks.

I would have offered #16, BRK's 2016 pick, and Bradley.


Lots of people around here placing a lot of hopes on those BRK picks, but in a weak East it's always more likely a pick will end up in the middle than at the top or bottom of the draft.  This draft had a strong top 10 and was very weak everywhere else, so paying a premium for a pick in that range made sense.


Having all of these first round picks has diminishing returns.  We only have so much roster space for role players on rookie deals.  Other teams know that, which is why they're going to try and squeeze Danny for multiple picks in every deal.

Exactly right. People seem to think these Brooklyn picks are a Godsend when in reality we have no clue how valuable they end up being.

[PhoSita]

In my experience, in life and not just sports, having to rely on the competition's ineptitude to benefit you is always less than ideal.

It worked out really well for Red Auerbach for a few decades, but it's a different league now.  There's much less front office incompetence out there than there was even 5-10 years ago.

I don't like the idea of waiting to prey on some other GM to make a blunder.  That's not a plan, it's arrogance.

[Rondo9]

I imagine Charlotte was holding out for one of the Brooklyn picks.

I would have offered #16, BRK's 2016 pick, and Bradley.


Lots of people around here placing a lot of hopes on those BRK picks, but in a weak East it's always more likely a pick will end up in the middle than at the top or bottom of the draft.  This draft had a strong top 10 and was very weak everywhere else, so paying a premium for a pick in that range made sense.


Having all of these first round picks has diminishing returns.  We only have so much roster space for role players on rookie deals.  Other teams know that, which is why they're going to try and squeeze Danny for multiple picks in every deal.

You do realize that other teams are going to get stronger, unlike the Nets who seem to be losing talent.

Chances are nobody will be more motivated than the Nets to pony up lots of $$ for Thad Young and B. Lopez this summer, and they'll still have D-Will and JJ: unexciting and on the decline, but competent.

Competence is all it takes to win enough in the East to land in the middle.  Just look at our team this past year.  The Nets also had a pretty decent draft day, adding RHJ to bolster their wing depth.  On a team full of shot-happy guys, he'll be able to just focus on defense and hustle.

Lopez has been linked to the Bucks lately and Joe Johnson Deron Williams can jack up a lot of shots, but it'll most likely end with bricks.

[jpotter33]

If they turned that down, I'm glad Danny stopped negotiating.  Any more than that would be an awful deal

This helps.

Still weird to draft Rozier at #16, but this set on info helps me get over it a little quicker.

Yeah, that was definitely my limit I think. I wouldn't have offered any of the Brooklyn picks for it. Probably a good thing that we didn't make a trade now, because the price would've been pretty steep.

[PhoSita]

Lopez has been linked to the Bucks lately and Joe Johnson Deron Williams can jack up a lot of shots, but it'll most likely end with bricks.

At the end of the day, I think the Nets will offer the most long term money to Brook and Thad, and the Nets will once again win 30-40 games next year.  That pick will end up in the 12-18 range. 

[Evantime34]

I imagine Charlotte was holding out for one of the Brooklyn picks.

I would have offered #16, BRK's 2016 pick, and Bradley.


Lots of people around here placing a lot of hopes on those BRK picks, but in a weak East it's always more likely a pick will end up in the middle than at the top or bottom of the draft.  This draft had a strong top 10 and was very weak everywhere else, so paying a premium for a pick in that range made sense.


Having all of these first round picks has diminishing returns.  We only have so much roster space for role players on rookie deals.  Other teams know that, which is why they're going to try and squeeze Danny for multiple picks in every deal.

You do realize that other teams are going to get stronger, unlike the Nets who seem to be losing talent.

Chances are nobody will be more motivated than the Nets to pony up lots of $$ for Thad Young and B. Lopez this summer, and they'll still have D-Will and JJ: unexciting and on the decline, but competent.

Competence is all it takes to win enough in the East to land in the middle.  Just look at our team this past year.  The Nets also had a pretty decent draft day, adding RHJ to bolster their wing depth.  On a team full of shot-happy guys, he'll be able to just focus on defense and hustle.

I think trading Mason Plumlee for RHJ was a backward move for now, probably a good long term move though.

[Rondo9]

Lopez has been linked to the Bucks lately and Joe Johnson Deron Williams can jack up a lot of shots, but it'll most likely end with bricks.

At the end of the day, I think the Nets will offer the most long term money to Brook and Thad, and the Nets will once again win 30-40 games next year.  That pick will end up in the 12-18 range.

I have a feeling Lopez wants out of Brooklyn, not sure about Thad though.

[Tr1boy]

Charlotte was locked on Kaminsky. Danny really wanted Winslow

[gpap]

If those Brooklyn picks end up being nothing more than middle of the line or worse, than that Brooklyn trade Ainge made will end up turning into a MASSIVE failure.

If he wanted to rebuild so badly, he should've done it in 2010 after we lost in the finals but still had a lot of cache in the league from being the best team in the East.

We would've been a far more attractive free agent destination then instead of now.

If I recall correctly that summer, Pierce became a free agent so Danny could've just let him walk and could've gotten a lot more in a trade for KG.

OR, he could've kept PP and KG but tried to build a younger core around them.

Plus we would've had cap space to sign younger players.

[LooseCannon]

If those Brooklyn picks end up being nothing more than middle of the line or worse, than that Brooklyn trade Ainge made will end up turning into a MASSIVE failure.

Are you saying that if they turn into late lottery picks in the 10-14 range, they are practically worthless?

[Scintan]

Michael Jordan is a jerk.
James Toscano
?@Jimmy_Toscano
Heard Celtics offered 4 picks (at least 3 of them 1st-round) for No. 9. Both firsts yesterday, assume Dal protected and another protected.

Why should Jordan have taken that deal, if he was a fan of the player he picked?  What's so overwhelming about that trade offer?

Four firsts to move up 7 spots? When Kaminsky probably would have been there at 12? He probably could have made that trade then traded back up to 12 and still net a first round pick in the deal.

That late first is essentially nothing, and the other two picks were lottery protected future picks, which means that they weren't particularly great offers either. 

So, while I'm not saying that the offer is garbage, I repeat the question: What's so overwhelming about that offer? 

[Snakehead]

If those Brooklyn picks end up being nothing more than middle of the line or worse, than that Brooklyn trade Ainge made will end up turning into a MASSIVE failure.

Are you saying that if they turn into late lottery picks in the 10-14 range, they are practically worthless?

A range these people wanted desperately to trade into.

Also, I think the consensus would be Charlotte really messed up not taking the offer.

[gpap]

If those Brooklyn picks end up being nothing more than middle of the line or worse, than that Brooklyn trade Ainge made will end up turning into a MASSIVE failure.

Are you saying that if they turn into late lottery picks in the 10-14 range, they are practically worthless?

Hmmmm.....maybe.

Totally depends on the draft.

You tell me.

Is a pick in the 10-14 range that valuable for having given up our two best players two years ago?

And that's just 2016.

In 2017 when the cap rises, Brooklyn will have more money to spend rendering the 2018 pick less valuable.