sixers in 3 years (okafor, embiid, noel)

[Eddie20]

Bucks have too many elite small forwards.  Philly has too many elite bigs. If bucks want a franchise center they should move giannis or Parker for embiid or Okafor.  Both teams win.

All 3 Sixers bigs are elite? Wow! Imagine once Embiid and Okafor actually play a game and Noel averages more than 9 ppg.

[bdm860]

Isn't Greg Monroe like the only player in history to turn down basically a max contract to sign the one year qualifying offer.  I mean the odds that any of the three turn down the max contract for a qualifying offer seems pretty darn low.  Now I suspect one of them gets traded at some point, but I can't see any of them going the QO route that Monroe did.  Just is too much a risk, especially for the guys that have already missed full seasons due to injury.

Well part of that goes to the 3 way minute split.  Are all 3 of those guys going to get max contracts sharing 2 roster spots?  Someone’s going to be left out (unless a trade happens).

Hinkie’s dream scenario is pretty much OKC 3 years ago, right? They weren’t offering Harden a max contract, and again this year they lost Reggie Jackson who was chasing much more money then OKC was willing to pay (and not that happy playing behind Westbrook).  At best, I would think something similar is going to happen in Philly.

Rarely has a team drafted 3 max contract worthy guys in a row, so I think that's doubtful here to begin with, but then all 3 of these guys are going to demonstrate to the world that they're worthy of a max contracts sharing 2 positions?  Then there's the question if Noel can even earn a max contract without the logjam, what's his ceiling?  Al Horford? Joakim Noah? Tyson Chandler?  Marcus Camby? Serge Ibaka?  Which one of those guys has signed a max contract?  So right there I think you have the possibility of Philly holding on to Noel, and then some team outbidding Philly when he hits restricted free agency, or him just holding out another year to be unrestricted when Philly doesn't offer him the max.

The Greg Monroe situation has happened more often than what Philly is hoping for has.

[Ilikesports17]

Isn't Greg Monroe like the only player in history to turn down basically a max contract to sign the one year qualifying offer.  I mean the odds that any of the three turn down the max contract for a qualifying offer seems pretty darn low.  Now I suspect one of them gets traded at some point, but I can't see any of them going the QO route that Monroe did.  Just is too much a risk, especially for the guys that have already missed full seasons due to injury.

Well part of that goes to the 3 way minute split.  Are all 3 of those guys going to get max contracts sharing 2 roster spots?  Someone’s going to be left out (unless a trade happens).

Hinkie’s dream scenario is pretty much OKC 3 years ago, right? They weren’t offering Harden a max contract, and again this year they lost Reggie Jackson who was chasing much more money then OKC was willing to pay (and not that happy playing behind Westbrook).  At best, I would think something similar is going to happen in Philly.

Rarely has a team drafted 3 max contract worthy guys in a row, so I think that's doubtful here to begin with, but then all 3 of these guys are going to demonstrate to the world that they're worthy of a max contracts sharing 2 positions?  Then there's the question if Noel can even earn a max contract without the logjam, what's his ceiling?  Al Horford? Joakim Noah? Tyson Chandler?  Marcus Camby?  Which one of those guys has signed a max contract?  So right there I think you have the possibility of Philly holding on to Noel, and then some team outbidding Philly when he hits restricted free agency, or him just holding out another year to be unrestricted when Philly doesn't offer him the max.

The Greg Monroe situation has happened more often than what Philly is hoping for has.

As Moranis alluded, 2 Philly bigs have injury issues so they probably wouldnt want to take that risk. However, all 3 Philly bigs know that at least one of them is not in Philly long term and more likely 2 of them are gone (they all seem like centers to me. Jahlil is the only one I could see playing PF in a Big Al type role)

Greg Monroe left Detroit the way he did because being sandwhiched between Drummond and Smith was terrible for his career and value. I wouldnt be surprised if any of these 3 bigs thought the same.

Also while I would love to have any of the 3. Noel has little offensive game and his incredible stats must be taken with a grain of salt as he put them up on the openly tanking 6ers. As for Embiid and Okafor they are top talents but Embiid has stress injury issues and neither he nor Okafor have played a single game.

We really know very little about the big(and tall) 3 Philly has put together but we do know they have incredible potential and I would love to have 3 players with that level potential.

[Rondo9]

Bucks have too many elite small forwards.  Philly has too many elite bigs. If bucks want a franchise center they should move giannis or Parker for embiid or Okafor.  Both teams win.

All 3 Sixers bigs are elite? Wow! Imagine once Embiid and Okafor actually play a game and Noel averages more than 9 ppg.

I didn't realize Giannis and Parker were All Stars already.

[celticsclay]

I know this has been said many times before, but a Smart for Noel/Embiid/Olafor makes way too much sense for both teams. If it requires an extra pick, then so be it.

I do agree with LarBrd that a subsequent trade with Milwaukee also makes sense. If it plays out this way, Philly, Mil, and Boston would all be really solid moving forward.

Hinkie only wants superstars.  He will have better options than smart.

yea if you think about it, Smart is really only a defensive role player.

[bdm860]

We really know very little about the big(and tall) 3 Philly has put together but we do know they have incredible potential and I would love to have 3 players with that level potential.

Oh don't get me wrong, I'd love to have those assets.  Those are without a doubt 3 GREAT assets.  I'm just saying all 3 aren't going to simultaneously develop into the next Duncan, Howard, and Cousins and automatically set Philly up for greatness in 3 years.

I think there's a very good chance, if they hold onto all 3, they'll have some combination of one or more very unhappy guys looking to get out of town, unhappy agents, trade demands, lackluster demand on the trade market (due to too high of an asking price, holding out too long, etc.), and that's the best case scenario assuming none of the 3 bust or become injury riddled.

They have 3 great assets now.  But if they hold onto all 3, they're not all going to stay on their current value projection 3 years down the line.  There's a stock market crash coming in Philly unless they diversify.

[LarBrd33]

Bucks have too many elite small forwards.  Philly has too many elite bigs. If bucks want a franchise center they should move giannis or Parker for embiid or Okafor.  Both teams win.

All 3 Sixers bigs are elite? Wow! Imagine once Embiid and Okafor actually play a game and Noel averages more than 9 ppg.

There was a poll on Reddit a few days ago and they asked where Embiid would be drafted right now...even with his "set back".  The consensus was that Embiid would go #1 or #2 (behind Towns).  Most agreed that even now, he's a better prospect than anyone in this draft (including Towns).   The only reason he'd slip was due to fears about his injury... but with news that he's feeling 100%, we can only speculate right now what Hinkie was referring to when he said the CT scan looked "different".   If they opt for another surgery, that'd be troubling.  But people are retroactively underestimating what kind of prospect Joel Embiid is.  He was considered "by far" the best prospect of the draft last year.  A transcendent talent... probably the 2nd best prospect of the decade behind Anthony Davis.   That said, I was talking to Roy Hobbs about this a few days ago and he joked, "I'd put healthy Embiid's ceiling somewhere between "a healthy Greg Oden" and "a real-life unicorn"."... Had to laugh at that.    I still think Embiid will be better than anyone in this draft, though.

So then someone asked me today where Noel would be drafted.  Well I'm very confident than Noel is a better player with a far higher ceiling than Willie Cauley Stein.  I don't think there's any question.  NOel was vastly superior when both were playing together as Freshman and WCS didn't really improve much over his his Sophomore and Junior years.    WCS went 6th in this draft.   So if you're asking me where Noel would go, I'd have to guess it would be somewhere between Okafor and WCS.   Honestly, I saw Okafor as the clear #2 in this draft.  I think the Lakers taking Russell #2 might have been for the Sacramento Kings (we'll see what happens on the Cousins front).  So I think Noel vs Russell would have been a tough decision dependent on the needs of the team drafting.   I'd take Noel over Porzingus.   Both Embiid and Noel go in the top 5, imo.

[D.o.s.]

Reddit? Really?

[LarBrd33]

Reddit? Really?

widespread NBA fan opinion vs bias opinion of Philly-hating Celtic fans who are actively rooting against the Hinkie "plan".  I don't blame anyone here from hoping the worst with Embiid/Noel/Okafor.  If you had any one of those guys on this team, you sure as hell wouldn't' trade him for Marcus Smart, Rozier and RJ Hunter. 

[Smokeeye123]

Im in love with what the 76ers are doing as a franchise. They are accumulating elite talent not just talent. As soon as they saw MCW was disappointing they cut him loose. If only Ainge could do the same thing with his roster of nobodies.

[BlackCeltic]

Im in love with what the 76ers are doing as a franchise. They are accumulating elite talent not just talent. As soon as they saw MCW was disappointing they cut him loose. If only Ainge could do the same thing with his roster of nobodies.

You love that they set losing records every year? Wow.

[D.o.s.]

Reddit? Really?

widespread NBA fan opinion vs bias opinion of Philly-hating Celtic fans who are actively rooting against the Hinkie "plan".  I don't blame anyone here from hoping the worst with Embiid/Noel/Okafor.  If you had any one of those guys on this team, you sure as hell wouldn't' trade him for Marcus Smart, Rozier and RJ Hunter.

Right but NBA fans (and sports fans, and people) are idiots in total, and the Reddit format actively encourages a collective group-think that does the opposite of foster discussion.

I forget where I found this gem, but "people use reddit because they want to see their own opinion reflected back at them by someone else." There are some cool things on r/nba, but they're not the fan opinions.

[SHAQATTACK]

Eventually those guys want to play real basketball, ....not d league basketball with a d league coach flunky willing to suck up so big and loose on purpose when his boss instructs him.m no balls.

These guys will want their own team and bei surround by great talent .......and they ll want max contracts .

At some point they need to hire a serious coach and buy decent players to go with their top three pics they keep losing on purpose every year.

When is the moron going to actually allow his fans to watch a pro team in stead of tankers...one has to wonder..."....it seems like his own personal video game ....like monopoly ....at some point you have to remember your running a basketball team......not a losing repository for hi draft picks.

[PhoSita]

Reddit? Really?

widespread NBA fan opinion vs bias opinion of Philly-hating Celtic fans who are actively rooting against the Hinkie "plan".  I don't blame anyone here from hoping the worst with Embiid/Noel/Okafor.  If you had any one of those guys on this team, you sure as hell wouldn't' trade him for Marcus Smart, Rozier and RJ Hunter.

Right but NBA fans (and sports fans, and people) are idiots in total, and the Reddit format actively encourages a collective group-think that does the opposite of foster discussion.

I forget where I found this gem, but "people use reddit because they want to see their own opinion reflected back at them by someone else." There are some cool things on r/nba, but they're not the fan opinions.

Unlike a message board, Reddit is actually designed to accentuate this "echo-chamber" effect. 

[Smokeeye123]

Im in love with what the 76ers are doing as a franchise. They are accumulating elite talent not just talent. As soon as they saw MCW was disappointing they cut him loose. If only Ainge could do the same thing with his roster of nobodies.

You love that they set losing records every year? Wow.

If it means them getting generational players and allstars yeah sure, who cares if they lose. We lose a lot too we just lose less. Sorry maybe I just dont want to be a 7th seed every year, get swept, and then draft an undersized guard who cant shoot every year. Do you love that? Wow.