Cousins to Lakers Rumors

[littleteapot]

You left out Smart. 3 established NBA players and 3 first round picks (2 unprotected from arguably the worst run / worst cap situation team in the league) instead of a below average guard, a guy who missed his whole rookie season, and Okafor? It's at the very least debatable.

The only thing that's debatable is if Smart is that much better than Randle to make it worth it (I don't think he is, so I just didn't bring up Smart or Randle).

Okafor is far and away better than the draft picks you proposed plus Zeller and Sully.

[crownontherocks]

REPORT: Lakers increasingly likely to draft D'Angelo Russell at No. 2.


gary lee

[heyvik]

REPORT: Lakers increasingly likely to draft D'Angelo Russell at No. 2.


gary lee

which means what exactly?

[slamtheking]

Smart, Zeller, Sullinger, filler, 16 this year, Nets pick next year, Nets pick 2018 for Boogie and Landry. Admittedly, a reach.

Where are people getting this idea that teams would rather have Zeller, Sully and midround picks than the number 2 pick in a draft with an elite prospect going second?

Every other team is looking at this like "we could sign Sully or Zeller in a couple of years, or if not we could sign one of the 30 or 40 guys like them in the league." The value of the Nets picks is that they MIGHT become high lottery picks in a draft where there are good players to take. Why would the Kings take that chance when they can literally get the #2 pick in this draft and they know exactly who they can take?

I am not advocating for that C's package for Boogie, but the #2 is still unproven and so is Randle - what if you end up with a Anthony Bennett 2.0 and Joel Embiid 2.0...where does that leave you in year 2? Randle is nothing but hype and #2 is an unproven commodity.

Smart, Randle, and all the draft picks are unproven. Zeller and Sully are proven to be mediocre.

The #2 pick is at least definitely going to be an elite prospect. Absolutely Okafor could fail to pan out. However, if you take a deal to get the Nets picks, you're just hoping one of them becomes a prospect almost as good as Okafor that has the same risks.

If you take the Lakers deal, you're guaranteed to get an elite prospect that has a chance of becoming an elite player. If you take our hypothetical deal, you have a chance to get an almost elite prospect that has a chance of becoming an elite player. The best way to give yourself a clear path to a superstar is to to take the Lakers deal.

Really?  Where's Darko Milicic these days?  Does Evan Turner impress you as elite? 

a list of the recent #2's
- Jabari Parker - started off ok but injured
- Oladipo - nice prospect but hardly elite
- MKG
- Derrick Williams
- Evan Turner
- Hasheem Thabeet
- Michael Beasley
- Kevin Durant (there's one!)
- Lamarcus Aldridge (there's 2!)
- Marvin Williams
- Emeka Okafor
- Darko
- Jay Williams
- Tyson Chandler
- Stromile Swift 
That's back to the 2000 draft
--> 2 'elite' players.  a few starter-quality.  a lot of underwhelming picks.

[celts10]

Gasol got traded for his Brother ended up being a fair deal down the line.

It was a fair deal now but at the time it was flat out robbery for the Lakers. Nobody knew just how good Marc would become, and Pau was already one of the best forwards in the league at the time. I think Stephen A. summed it up best at the time, the Lakers traded Kwame Brown for Pau Gasol.

[littleteapot]

Really?  Where's Darko Milicic these days?  Does Evan Turner impress you as elite? 

a list of the recent #2's
- Jabari Parker - started off ok but injured
- Oladipo - nice prospect but hardly elite
- MKG
- Derrick Williams
- Evan Turner
- Hasheem Thabeet
- Michael Beasley
- Kevin Durant (there's one!)
- Lamarcus Aldridge (there's 2!)
- Marvin Williams
- Emeka Okafor
- Darko
- Jay Williams
- Tyson Chandler
- Stromile Swift 
That's back to the 2000 draft
--> 2 'elite' players.  a few starter-quality.  a lot of underwhelming picks.

I feel like I'm repeating myself.

Every guy you can take in any draft has a ton of risk and could easily not pan out. However, in addition to this risk a future Nets pick has the additional risk that you won't even be able to take someone of the caliber of Okafor. If our future picks actually become high lottery picks in good drafts, whichever team takes them will then have to spend them on players like Okafor and have the same risk. By choosing the C's draft capital over the Lakers', you're adding the risk of not even getting an elite prospect to the risk of your elite prospect being a bust.

[dreamgreen]

REPORT: Lakers increasingly likely to draft D'Angelo Russell at No. 2.


gary lee

which means what exactly?

Not sure but it would be an interesting first twist to the night.

[CelticSooner]

REPORT: Lakers increasingly likely to draft D'Angelo Russell at No. 2.


gary lee

which means what exactly?

Not trading for Cousins or drafting for Sacramento. So nothing yet lol

[droopdog7]

Really?  Where's Darko Milicic these days?  Does Evan Turner impress you as elite? 

a list of the recent #2's
- Jabari Parker - started off ok but injured
- Oladipo - nice prospect but hardly elite
- MKG
- Derrick Williams
- Evan Turner
- Hasheem Thabeet
- Michael Beasley
- Kevin Durant (there's one!)
- Lamarcus Aldridge (there's 2!)
- Marvin Williams
- Emeka Okafor
- Darko
- Jay Williams
- Tyson Chandler
- Stromile Swift 
That's back to the 2000 draft
--> 2 'elite' players.  a few starter-quality.  a lot of underwhelming picks.

I feel like I'm repeating myself.

Every guy you can take in any draft has a ton of risk and could easily not pan out. However, in addition to this risk a future Nets pick has the additional risk that you won't even be able to take someone of the caliber of Okafor. If our future picks actually become high lottery picks in good drafts, whichever team takes them will then have to spend them on players like Okafor and have the same risk. By choosing the C's draft capital over the Lakers', you're adding the risk of not even getting an elite prospect to the risk of your elite prospect being a bust.

Yeah seriously, lot's of people hear drinking the green kool aid.  Frankly, the laker offer is easily better than anything we can offer.  Smart versus randle is a wash at best and some could argue that Smart actually playing last year might have lowered his value.

And I see people do not understand the definition of a "prospect".  As already said, you can guarantee anything so forget about that.  In this case, you will have your pick of a dominant back to the basket big man or a dynamic guard.  Both could wash out but both could also become stars.  The closest the celts could come to offering that is smart, but he has not more value that randle in my eyes.  And I don't see a star in smart anyway.

And forget about sully and oly.  They have garbage trade value.  They offer nothing at all really.  Sure, they are bonafide nba players but neither one is even a starter on a good team.  Shoot, they are borderline bench players on a good team.  They are just guys pretty much.

In terms of picks, the chance at #2 in this draft is equivalent to about ten mid round first round picks.  which is to say, mid round picks hold little value overall and are no more than lottery; you might get lucky but more likely than not, you'll get nearly nothing (think how many James Youngs would equal one Okafor?).

So yes, celtic fans delusional as always.   

[Rondo9]

Really?  Where's Darko Milicic these days?  Does Evan Turner impress you as elite? 

a list of the recent #2's
- Jabari Parker - started off ok but injured
- Oladipo - nice prospect but hardly elite
- MKG
- Derrick Williams
- Evan Turner
- Hasheem Thabeet
- Michael Beasley
- Kevin Durant (there's one!)
- Lamarcus Aldridge (there's 2!)
- Marvin Williams
- Emeka Okafor
- Darko
- Jay Williams
- Tyson Chandler
- Stromile Swift 
That's back to the 2000 draft
--> 2 'elite' players.  a few starter-quality.  a lot of underwhelming picks.

I feel like I'm repeating myself.

Every guy you can take in any draft has a ton of risk and could easily not pan out. However, in addition to this risk a future Nets pick has the additional risk that you won't even be able to take someone of the caliber of Okafor. If our future picks actually become high lottery picks in good drafts, whichever team takes them will then have to spend them on players like Okafor and have the same risk. By choosing the C's draft capital over the Lakers', you're adding the risk of not even getting an elite prospect to the risk of your elite prospect being a bust.

Yeah seriously, lot's of people hear drinking the green kool aid.  Frankly, the laker offer is easily better than anything we can offer.  Smart versus randle is a wash at best and some could argue that Smart actually playing last year might have lowered his value.

And I see people do not understand the definition of a "prospect".  As already said, you can guarantee anything so forget about that.  In this case, you will have your pick of a dominant back to the basket big man or a dynamic guard.  Both could wash out but both could also become stars.  The closest the celts could come to offering that is smart, but he has not more value that randle in my eyes.  And I don't see a star in smart anyway.

And forget about sully and oly.  They have garbage trade value.  They offer nothing at all really.  Sure, they are bonafide nba players but neither one is even a starter on a good team.  Shoot, they are borderline bench players on a good team.  They are just guys pretty much.

In terms of picks, the chance at #2 in this draft is equivalent to about ten mid round first round picks.  which is to say, mid round picks hold little value overall and are no more than lottery; you might get lucky but more likely than not, you'll get nearly nothing (think how many James Youngs would equal one Okafor?).

So yes, celtic fans delusional as always.   

The fans are delusional according to the person who says smart and randle are a wash and Sullinger and olynyk have garbage trade value

[RMO]

Gasol got traded for his Brother ended up being a fair deal down the line.

It was a fair deal now but at the time it was flat out robbery for the Lakers. Nobody knew just how good Marc would become, and Pau was already one of the best forwards in the league at the time. I think Stephen A. summed it up best at the time, the Lakers traded Kwame Brown for Pau Gasol.

Another thing about that trade.  It was weeks before the trade deadline and came out of nowhere.  Unless they were thinking years down the line and wanted to lock up Marc right away (they would've had the inside track considering he grew up around there while Pau was a player) there was no reason to rush and do it without hearing other offers.  I mean.  What leverage did the lakers possibly have that Memphis couldn't have waited?  Kobe was unhappy and cryptic.  The city hadn't been that terrified since the Night Stalker in the mid 80's. 

As you say it's a fair trade now but then it was robbery.  I read that news story over and over assuming I missed the line that said Lamar Odom was included.

[droopdog7]

Really?  Where's Darko Milicic these days?  Does Evan Turner impress you as elite? 

a list of the recent #2's
- Jabari Parker - started off ok but injured
- Oladipo - nice prospect but hardly elite
- MKG
- Derrick Williams
- Evan Turner
- Hasheem Thabeet
- Michael Beasley
- Kevin Durant (there's one!)
- Lamarcus Aldridge (there's 2!)
- Marvin Williams
- Emeka Okafor
- Darko
- Jay Williams
- Tyson Chandler
- Stromile Swift 
That's back to the 2000 draft
--> 2 'elite' players.  a few starter-quality.  a lot of underwhelming picks.

I feel like I'm repeating myself.

Every guy you can take in any draft has a ton of risk and could easily not pan out. However, in addition to this risk a future Nets pick has the additional risk that you won't even be able to take someone of the caliber of Okafor. If our future picks actually become high lottery picks in good drafts, whichever team takes them will then have to spend them on players like Okafor and have the same risk. By choosing the C's draft capital over the Lakers', you're adding the risk of not even getting an elite prospect to the risk of your elite prospect being a bust.

Yeah seriously, lot's of people hear drinking the green kool aid.  Frankly, the laker offer is easily better than anything we can offer.  Smart versus randle is a wash at best and some could argue that Smart actually playing last year might have lowered his value.

And I see people do not understand the definition of a "prospect".  As already said, you can guarantee anything so forget about that.  In this case, you will have your pick of a dominant back to the basket big man or a dynamic guard.  Both could wash out but both could also become stars.  The closest the celts could come to offering that is smart, but he has not more value that randle in my eyes.  And I don't see a star in smart anyway.

And forget about sully and oly.  They have garbage trade value.  They offer nothing at all really.  Sure, they are bonafide nba players but neither one is even a starter on a good team.  Shoot, they are borderline bench players on a good team.  They are just guys pretty much.

In terms of picks, the chance at #2 in this draft is equivalent to about ten mid round first round picks.  which is to say, mid round picks hold little value overall and are no more than lottery; you might get lucky but more likely than not, you'll get nearly nothing (think how many James Youngs would equal one Okafor?).

So yes, celtic fans delusional as always.   

The fans are delusional according to the person who says smart and randle are a wash and Sullinger and olynyk have garbage trade value

Smart is a defensive guard that doesn't excel any either position.  He doesn't do both well, he does both average (at best).  He showed very little offensive game except to chuck threes.  Tell how smart showed any start potential?  Yes, randle is a complete unknown but in this case, that could be viewed as a good thing (ignoring the injury of course).

And yes, I completely stand by my evaluation of sully and oly.  Indeed, I would say that there is a better than average chance we just let sully walk at the end of the year. 

[heyvik]

Really?  Where's Darko Milicic these days?  Does Evan Turner impress you as elite? 

a list of the recent #2's
- Jabari Parker - started off ok but injured
- Oladipo - nice prospect but hardly elite
- MKG
- Derrick Williams
- Evan Turner
- Hasheem Thabeet
- Michael Beasley
- Kevin Durant (there's one!)
- Lamarcus Aldridge (there's 2!)
- Marvin Williams
- Emeka Okafor
- Darko
- Jay Williams
- Tyson Chandler
- Stromile Swift 
That's back to the 2000 draft
--> 2 'elite' players.  a few starter-quality.  a lot of underwhelming picks.

I feel like I'm repeating myself.

Every guy you can take in any draft has a ton of risk and could easily not pan out. However, in addition to this risk a future Nets pick has the additional risk that you won't even be able to take someone of the caliber of Okafor. If our future picks actually become high lottery picks in good drafts, whichever team takes them will then have to spend them on players like Okafor and have the same risk. By choosing the C's draft capital over the Lakers', you're adding the risk of not even getting an elite prospect to the risk of your elite prospect being a bust.

Yeah seriously, lot's of people hear drinking the green kool aid.  Frankly, the laker offer is easily better than anything we can offer.  Smart versus randle is a wash at best and some could argue that Smart actually playing last year might have lowered his value.

<I am not drinking the green Kool-Aid>How has Smart playing last year lowered his value? He actually played behind Rondo for 1/3 of the the year and then played like a defensive hound for the rest. Now Randle's value is lowered bc he DIDN'T play due to injury.

And I see people do not understand the definition of a "prospect".  As already said, you can guarantee anything so forget about that.  In this case, you will have your pick of a dominant back to the basket big man or a dynamic guard.  Both could wash out but both could also become stars.  The closest the celts could come to offering that is smart, but he has not more value that randle in my eyes.  And I don't see a star in smart anyway.

And forget about sully and oly.  They have garbage trade value.  They offer nothing at all really.  Sure, they are bonafide nba players but neither one is even a starter on a good team.  Shoot, they are borderline bench players on a good team.  They are just guys pretty much.

In terms of picks, the chance at #2 in this draft is equivalent to about ten mid round first round picks.  which is to say, mid round picks hold little value overall and are no more than lottery; you might get lucky but more likely than not, you'll get nearly nothing (think how many James Youngs would equal one Okafor?).

So yes, celtic fans delusional as always.    I realize that #2 can turn out to be elite prospect BUT you are still rolling the dice. examples are above.

The fans are delusional according to the person who says smart and randle are a wash and Sullinger and olynyk have garbage trade value

[littleteapot]

heyvik, give me the scenario where you trade Cousins for draft picks and 23 year olds and aren't rolling the dice?

[droopdog7]

Really?  Where's Darko Milicic these days?  Does Evan Turner impress you as elite? 

a list of the recent #2's
- Jabari Parker - started off ok but injured
- Oladipo - nice prospect but hardly elite
- MKG
- Derrick Williams
- Evan Turner
- Hasheem Thabeet
- Michael Beasley
- Kevin Durant (there's one!)
- Lamarcus Aldridge (there's 2!)
- Marvin Williams
- Emeka Okafor
- Darko
- Jay Williams
- Tyson Chandler
- Stromile Swift 
That's back to the 2000 draft
--> 2 'elite' players.  a few starter-quality.  a lot of underwhelming picks.

I feel like I'm repeating myself.

Every guy you can take in any draft has a ton of risk and could easily not pan out. However, in addition to this risk a future Nets pick has the additional risk that you won't even be able to take someone of the caliber of Okafor. If our future picks actually become high lottery picks in good drafts, whichever team takes them will then have to spend them on players like Okafor and have the same risk. By choosing the C's draft capital over the Lakers', you're adding the risk of not even getting an elite prospect to the risk of your elite prospect being a bust.

Yeah seriously, lot's of people hear drinking the green kool aid.  Frankly, the laker offer is easily better than anything we can offer.  Smart versus randle is a wash at best and some could argue that Smart actually playing last year might have lowered his value.

<I am not drinking the green Kool-Aid>How has Smart playing last year lowered his value? He actually played behind Rondo for 1/3 of the the year and then played like a defensive hound for the rest. Now Randle's value is lowered bc he DIDN'T play due to injury.

And I see people do not understand the definition of a "prospect".  As already said, you can guarantee anything so forget about that.  In this case, you will have your pick of a dominant back to the basket big man or a dynamic guard.  Both could wash out but both could also become stars.  The closest the celts could come to offering that is smart, but he has not more value that randle in my eyes.  And I don't see a star in smart anyway.

And forget about sully and oly.  They have garbage trade value.  They offer nothing at all really.  Sure, they are bonafide nba players but neither one is even a starter on a good team.  Shoot, they are borderline bench players on a good team.  They are just guys pretty much.

In terms of picks, the chance at #2 in this draft is equivalent to about ten mid round first round picks.  which is to say, mid round picks hold little value overall and are no more than lottery; you might get lucky but more likely than not, you'll get nearly nothing (think how many James Youngs would equal one Okafor?).

So yes, celtic fans delusional as always.    I realize that #2 can turn out to be elite prospect BUT you are still rolling the dice. examples are above.

The fans are delusional according to the person who says smart and randle are a wash and Sullinger and olynyk have garbage trade value

See, the comment in red shows you don't really understand things.  Okafor IS an elite prospect.  Not that he might become one.