Keep Building - No Boogie

[FreddieJ]

He's a top 1 center

[ThePoeticWolf]

I'm not sure that I consider our young core to be "amazing". 

I also think that trading for better players is part of Danny's rebuilding strategy.  He's always been candid that he sees draft picks as "chips".

Amazing is wrong words I guess, but you get the idea.  Our team did better then most people believe, and only going to get better.  I do see trading is a part of rebuilding but I think Boogie is going to cost us to much.  Everybody keeps going back to the Garnett and Allen trades but that was different.  We had Pierce already and right now not a star yet.  So I think signing as big name this year, keep building the young core, next year signing another free agent worth while, gives us a chance to do a bigger deal down the road.

Isn't betting on free agency a risky strategy?  What if free agents decline to come here, because we've got no stars on the team?  Wouldn't a star free agent be more likely to sign here if we had a young All-NBA player signed to a long-term deal already in place?

It's risky I'm saying if we're able to get a major free agent this season without trading for Boogie we'd be better off.  Since they've talked Monroe or an LaMarcus.  I'd rather just not trade away a good young core, of players for one of the top centers when we'd have nothing to pair with him.  He'd be in the same situation as he's in now, but probably even worse since he at least had a talent like a Rudy Gay, young talent like Ben McLemore, Nik Stauskas.  I just think it'd be Kings 2.0 for him even if he came to Boston, since we don't have a star to pair with him.     

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Yea, why trade for the best center in the league who is only 24 when we can be mediocre and hope to one day draft a player as good as Cousins is.

Exactly.

[ThePoeticWolf]

Before you say anything, I'm a big Cousins fan, but I don't want him.  He's a top 5 if not top 3 center in the league but he does come with some issues.  Lets be honest the Celtics shouldn't have gotten into the playoffs, but we did and it worked in our advantage.  It's showing we're developing an amazing young core, why would we break this up.  Stop before you start saying, he's one of the best centers in the league so on and so on.  We're still rebuilding this team and are almost done.  Yes we need a true center, which we might be able to get one if not two legit centers, a scorer/small forward that can be the future, and some back up power forwards/small forwards.  Sounds like a lot but between the drafts and free agency very due able without tearing down the team.  Yes, right now we can only sign one max free agent which could be a starter such as a Greg Monroe or a LaMarcus Aldridge.  If we're able to sign a key starter, next year we'd be able to do the same.  With another year of development as a team, maybe a key free agent we'd be able to sign next year, or make bigger trades next year not tearing apart the whole team for one player.  Since the talk for Boogie would be our 2 first rounders, possibly the 2 seconders, key players such as Sully, Bradley, Smart, or other players.  This is just a thought of saying just lets keep rebuilding, but don't unload the whole team for Boogie.  If it'd cost us say a Zeller, K.O. and a 1st and 2nd, yes worth it, but it's not enough for the Kings they feel.   

Hate to break it to you, but our core is not amazing. In fact, FAR from it.

Cousins is a franchise player and someone you ABSOLUTELY give up anyone to get.

My lord, why does it seem some people would rather keep this subpar team together and keep losing rather than improve with better players?

We are not winning a championship with this roster, people.

In fact, maybe with the exception of Smart, I can guarantee there will NOT be a single player  from this current roster on our next championship team.

Does Cousin make a championship team?  No because he'd have no help, with how much we'd have to give up.  That was the point of this.  I'm not saying I wouldn't like Boogie, but the idea and if you read it was saying he's not worth unloading a team for without already having good enough pieces around him.

Except we have cap room and would have a young stud center other All-Stars will want to play with, who would they want to play with on our current roster?  You already said we don't have a star currently.

We have a better chance at getting an All-Star like Monroe who wants to be the guy in free agency, and having a good young core around him.  With Cousins you're going to put him here with no help by draining the core.

[ThePoeticWolf]

Yea, why trade for the best center in the league who is only 24 when we can be mediocre and hope to one day draft a player as good as Cousins is.

Exactly.

Yes, if we're going one on one with centers yes you take him.  But if he has no help at the moment by trading the talent we'd give up, he's going to do the same for the Kings as he'll do for us.   

[KG Living Legend]

Holy crap that was a paragraph, Edited.  Profanity and masked profanity are against forum rules and may result in discipline.

[blink]

Yea, why trade for the best center in the league who is only 24 when we can be mediocre and hope to one day draft a player as good as Cousins is.

Exactly.

Yes, if we're going one on one with centers yes you take him.  But if he has no help at the moment by trading the talent we'd give up, he's going to do the same for the Kings as he'll do for us.   

DA and Boston's FO & head coach seem to be a lot better than Sac's.  I feel DA would get a better supporting cast around Cousins than Sac has.

[Celtics18]

Before you say anything, I'm a big Cousins fan, but I don't want him.  He's a top 5 if not top 3 center in the league but he does come with some issues.  Lets be honest the Celtics shouldn't have gotten into the playoffs, but we did and it worked in our advantage.  It's showing we're developing an amazing young core, why would we break this up.  Stop before you start saying, he's one of the best centers in the league so on and so on.  We're still rebuilding this team and are almost done.  Yes we need a true center, which we might be able to get one if not two legit centers, a scorer/small forward that can be the future, and some back up power forwards/small forwards.  Sounds like a lot but between the drafts and free agency very due able without tearing down the team.  Yes, right now we can only sign one max free agent which could be a starter such as a Greg Monroe or a LaMarcus Aldridge.  If we're able to sign a key starter, next year we'd be able to do the same.  With another year of development as a team, maybe a key free agent we'd be able to sign next year, or make bigger trades next year not tearing apart the whole team for one player.  Since the talk for Boogie would be our 2 first rounders, possibly the 2 seconders, key players such as Sully, Bradley, Smart, or other players.  This is just a thought of saying just lets keep rebuilding, but don't unload the whole team for Boogie.  If it'd cost us say a Zeller, K.O. and a 1st and 2nd, yes worth it, but it's not enough for the Kings they feel.   

Hate to break it to you, but our core is not amazing. In fact, FAR from it.

Cousins is a franchise player and someone you ABSOLUTELY give up anyone to get.

My lord, why does it seem some people would rather keep this subpar team together and keep losing rather than improve with better players?

We are not winning a championship with this roster, people.

In fact, maybe with the exception of Smart, I can guarantee there will NOT be a single player  from this current roster on our next championship team.

Well, that's a meaningful statement. 

There it is, folks.  We have a written guarantee from gpap. 

Is this a money back guarantee? 

[gpap]

Before you say anything, I'm a big Cousins fan, but I don't want him.  He's a top 5 if not top 3 center in the league but he does come with some issues.  Lets be honest the Celtics shouldn't have gotten into the playoffs, but we did and it worked in our advantage.  It's showing we're developing an amazing young core, why would we break this up.  Stop before you start saying, he's one of the best centers in the league so on and so on.  We're still rebuilding this team and are almost done.  Yes we need a true center, which we might be able to get one if not two legit centers, a scorer/small forward that can be the future, and some back up power forwards/small forwards.  Sounds like a lot but between the drafts and free agency very due able without tearing down the team.  Yes, right now we can only sign one max free agent which could be a starter such as a Greg Monroe or a LaMarcus Aldridge.  If we're able to sign a key starter, next year we'd be able to do the same.  With another year of development as a team, maybe a key free agent we'd be able to sign next year, or make bigger trades next year not tearing apart the whole team for one player.  Since the talk for Boogie would be our 2 first rounders, possibly the 2 seconders, key players such as Sully, Bradley, Smart, or other players.  This is just a thought of saying just lets keep rebuilding, but don't unload the whole team for Boogie.  If it'd cost us say a Zeller, K.O. and a 1st and 2nd, yes worth it, but it's not enough for the Kings they feel.   

Hate to break it to you, but our core is not amazing. In fact, FAR from it.

Cousins is a franchise player and someone you ABSOLUTELY give up anyone to get.

My lord, why does it seem some people would rather keep this subpar team together and keep losing rather than improve with better players?

We are not winning a championship with this roster, people.

In fact, maybe with the exception of Smart, I can guarantee there will NOT be a single player  from this current roster on our next championship team.

Well, that's a meaningful statement. 

There it is, folks.  We have a written guarantee from gpap. 

Is this a money back guarantee?

I am sorry Celtics18, you're right.

Smart/Bradley/Turner/Sully/Olynyk/Zeller are winning us a title any year now.

Warriors, Cavs, Spurs, Bulls, doesn't matter.

Those teams will be no match.

I can hear the parade coming down Causeway Street right now.

After all, we saw how well that team matched up vs the Cavs in the playoffs.

[JHTruth]

Before you say anything, I'm a big Cousins fan, but I don't want him.  He's a top 5 if not top 3 center in the league but he does come with some issues.  Lets be honest the Celtics shouldn't have gotten into the playoffs, but we did and it worked in our advantage.  It's showing we're developing an amazing young core, why would we break this up.  Stop before you start saying, he's one of the best centers in the league so on and so on.  We're still rebuilding this team and are almost done.  Yes we need a true center, which we might be able to get one if not two legit centers, a scorer/small forward that can be the future, and some back up power forwards/small forwards.  Sounds like a lot but between the drafts and free agency very due able without tearing down the team.  Yes, right now we can only sign one max free agent which could be a starter such as a Greg Monroe or a LaMarcus Aldridge.  If we're able to sign a key starter, next year we'd be able to do the same.  With another year of development as a team, maybe a key free agent we'd be able to sign next year, or make bigger trades next year not tearing apart the whole team for one player.  Since the talk for Boogie would be our 2 first rounders, possibly the 2 seconders, key players such as Sully, Bradley, Smart, or other players.  This is just a thought of saying just lets keep rebuilding, but don't unload the whole team for Boogie.  If it'd cost us say a Zeller, K.O. and a 1st and 2nd, yes worth it, but it's not enough for the Kings they feel.   

Not a big boogie fan but build with who? Sam Dekker? Sully will be an all-star any day now right? Free agents are just dying to come play with Olynyk I bet. We need to start taking some chances here buddy. Looking to win the next banner in 2070?

[JHTruth]

I agree with you.  Although would love to have Cousins just not now.  C's need to draft and get up in this draft too.  I'm hoping we can land Kristaps or a big man to go with Smart.

Personally I'd like to see a Willie Cauley Stein and a chance of Upshaw.

I want WCS and Turner. Go big or give up..

[Celtics18]

Before you say anything, I'm a big Cousins fan, but I don't want him.  He's a top 5 if not top 3 center in the league but he does come with some issues.  Lets be honest the Celtics shouldn't have gotten into the playoffs, but we did and it worked in our advantage.  It's showing we're developing an amazing young core, why would we break this up.  Stop before you start saying, he's one of the best centers in the league so on and so on.  We're still rebuilding this team and are almost done.  Yes we need a true center, which we might be able to get one if not two legit centers, a scorer/small forward that can be the future, and some back up power forwards/small forwards.  Sounds like a lot but between the drafts and free agency very due able without tearing down the team.  Yes, right now we can only sign one max free agent which could be a starter such as a Greg Monroe or a LaMarcus Aldridge.  If we're able to sign a key starter, next year we'd be able to do the same.  With another year of development as a team, maybe a key free agent we'd be able to sign next year, or make bigger trades next year not tearing apart the whole team for one player.  Since the talk for Boogie would be our 2 first rounders, possibly the 2 seconders, key players such as Sully, Bradley, Smart, or other players.  This is just a thought of saying just lets keep rebuilding, but don't unload the whole team for Boogie.  If it'd cost us say a Zeller, K.O. and a 1st and 2nd, yes worth it, but it's not enough for the Kings they feel.   

Hate to break it to you, but our core is not amazing. In fact, FAR from it.

Cousins is a franchise player and someone you ABSOLUTELY give up anyone to get.

My lord, why does it seem some people would rather keep this subpar team together and keep losing rather than improve with better players?

We are not winning a championship with this roster, people.

In fact, maybe with the exception of Smart, I can guarantee there will NOT be a single player  from this current roster on our next championship team.

Well, that's a meaningful statement. 

There it is, folks.  We have a written guarantee from gpap. 

Is this a money back guarantee?

I am sorry Celtics18, you're right.

Smart/Bradley/Turner/Sully/Olynyk/Zeller are winning us a title any year now.

Warriors, Cavs, Spurs, Bulls, doesn't matter.

Those teams will be no match.

I can hear the parade coming down Causeway Street right now.

After all, we saw how well that team matched up vs the Cavs in the playoffs.

You didn't say you guaranteed that our next championship team would look different that our current team, but that it won't contain a single player from the current roster. 

Sorry for being snarky, but, yes, I think that's a silly statement to make.  There's no way in the world you can guarantee that.

[Greyman]

Despite all the hyperbole and redundancy from other threads, I like this thread. Gets to the meat of a few issues that surround the Celtics right now, issues that DA and CBS have to get right to improve the team. I think the main issue beyond which players to chase is 'who do you need to keep?'

Who still has improvement or is capable of playing a part on a winning team? Sully isn't a player I would trade cheaply as he has shown that when he is fit he is a good producer and could get better. KO wouldn't be the first player of his type to blossom and overcome his weaknesses, AB could kick on like T Allen and make you kick yourself for not holding on to him. Young, like KO, could blossom and looked better towards the end of the season. I could go on but you have the drift, there isn't really anybody from the main core of players who doesn't have some value or potential to improve.

Yet we know the current squad, as it is and even with the picks we could add, will not contend next season. Even if all players improved, the dominant 'star' players are not there. Cousins would be a start to improve - we have seen many other potential targets and trades suggested. I think DA will only pull the trigger on a franchise changing deal if he can get one that is a lay down winner for the Celtics. Not because he is overly cautious, but because there is improvement in the squad and he will know how much a lot more clearly in a season's time, and still have assets to use.

[Bankshot]

Yea, why trade for the best center in the league who is only 24 when we can be mediocre and hope to one day draft a player as good as Cousins is.

Exactly.

Exactly +1!

[ThePoeticWolf]

Despite all the hyperbole and redundancy from other threads, I like this thread. Gets to the meat of a few issues that surround the Celtics right now, issues that DA and CBS have to get right to improve the team. I think the main issue beyond which players to chase is 'who do you need to keep?'

Who still has improvement or is capable of playing a part on a winning team? Sully isn't a player I would trade cheaply as he has shown that when he is fit he is a good producer and could get better. KO wouldn't be the first player of his type to blossom and overcome his weaknesses, AB could kick on like T Allen and make you kick yourself for not holding on to him. Young, like KO, could blossom and looked better towards the end of the season. I could go on but you have the drift, there isn't really anybody from the main core of players who doesn't have some value or potential to improve.

Yet we know the current squad, as it is and even with the picks we could add, will not contend next season. Even if all players improved, the dominant 'star' players are not there. Cousins would be a start to improve - we have seen many other potential targets and trades suggested. I think DA will only pull the trigger on a franchise changing deal if he can get one that is a lay down winner for the Celtics. Not because he is overly cautious, but because there is improvement in the squad and he will know how much a lot more clearly in a season's time, and still have assets to use.

Somebody who reads and also understand basketball isn't a one guy sport it takes a team.  I'm not saying I don't want Boogie, I was simply saying that I don't want to tear down a team for one player, when the team has been improving.  We're a young talented team, I'm not saying next year even we're going to be a contender, unless we do draft well and get a key free agent.  But the following year and so on we'll be young and talented and able to push the playoffs, more and more.  Plus I don't think anybody is really looking at Boogies track records with couches and does Stevens has the ability to control Boogie, I don't know and more siding with no.