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Keep Building - No Boogie
« on: June 23, 2015, 09:18:18 PM »

Offline ThePoeticWolf

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Before you say anything, I'm a big Cousins fan, but I don't want him.  He's a top 5 if not top 3 center in the league but he does come with some issues.  Lets be honest the Celtics shouldn't have gotten into the playoffs, but we did and it worked in our advantage.  It's showing we're developing an amazing young core, why would we break this up.  Stop before you start saying, he's one of the best centers in the league so on and so on.  We're still rebuilding this team and are almost done.  Yes we need a true center, which we might be able to get one if not two legit centers, a scorer/small forward that can be the future, and some back up power forwards/small forwards.  Sounds like a lot but between the drafts and free agency very due able without tearing down the team.  Yes, right now we can only sign one max free agent which could be a starter such as a Greg Monroe or a LaMarcus Aldridge.  If we're able to sign a key starter, next year we'd be able to do the same.  With another year of development as a team, maybe a key free agent we'd be able to sign next year, or make bigger trades next year not tearing apart the whole team for one player.  Since the talk for Boogie would be our 2 first rounders, possibly the 2 seconders, key players such as Sully, Bradley, Smart, or other players.  This is just a thought of saying just lets keep rebuilding, but don't unload the whole team for Boogie.  If it'd cost us say a Zeller, K.O. and a 1st and 2nd, yes worth it, but it's not enough for the Kings they feel.     

Re: Keep Building - No Boogie
« Reply #1 on: June 23, 2015, 09:23:41 PM »

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I agree with you.  Although would love to have Cousins just not now.  C's need to draft and get up in this draft too.  I'm hoping we can land Kristaps or a big man to go with Smart.

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« Reply #2 on: June 23, 2015, 09:24:58 PM »

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Re: Keep Building - No Boogie
« Reply #3 on: June 23, 2015, 09:25:33 PM »

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I'm not sure that I consider our young core to be "amazing". 

I also think that trading for better players is part of Danny's rebuilding strategy.  He's always been candid that he sees draft picks as "chips".


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« Reply #4 on: June 23, 2015, 09:25:49 PM »

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Okay then...

Re: Keep Building - No Boogie
« Reply #5 on: June 23, 2015, 09:28:23 PM »

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I agree with you.  Although would love to have Cousins just not now.  C's need to draft and get up in this draft too.  I'm hoping we can land Kristaps or a big man to go with Smart.

Personally I'd like to see a Willie Cauley Stein and a chance of Upshaw.

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« Reply #6 on: June 23, 2015, 09:30:28 PM »

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Yea, why trade for the best center in the league who is only 24 when we can be mediocre and hope to one day draft a player as good as Cousins is.
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« Reply #7 on: June 23, 2015, 09:31:15 PM »

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Before you say anything, I'm a big Cousins fan, but I don't want him.  He's a top 5 if not top 3 center in the league but he does come with some issues.  Lets be honest the Celtics shouldn't have gotten into the playoffs, but we did and it worked in our advantage.  It's showing we're developing an amazing young core, why would we break this up.  Stop before you start saying, he's one of the best centers in the league so on and so on.  We're still rebuilding this team and are almost done.  Yes we need a true center, which we might be able to get one if not two legit centers, a scorer/small forward that can be the future, and some back up power forwards/small forwards.  Sounds like a lot but between the drafts and free agency very due able without tearing down the team.  Yes, right now we can only sign one max free agent which could be a starter such as a Greg Monroe or a LaMarcus Aldridge.  If we're able to sign a key starter, next year we'd be able to do the same.  With another year of development as a team, maybe a key free agent we'd be able to sign next year, or make bigger trades next year not tearing apart the whole team for one player.  Since the talk for Boogie would be our 2 first rounders, possibly the 2 seconders, key players such as Sully, Bradley, Smart, or other players.  This is just a thought of saying just lets keep rebuilding, but don't unload the whole team for Boogie.  If it'd cost us say a Zeller, K.O. and a 1st and 2nd, yes worth it, but it's not enough for the Kings they feel.   

Hate to break it to you, but our core is not amazing. In fact, FAR from it.

Cousins is a franchise player and someone you ABSOLUTELY give up anyone to get.

My lord, why does it seem some people would rather keep this subpar team together and keep losing rather than improve with better players?

We are not winning a championship with this roster, people.

In fact, maybe with the exception of Smart, I can guarantee there will NOT be a single player  from this current roster on our next championship team.


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« Reply #8 on: June 23, 2015, 09:31:43 PM »

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I'm not sure that I consider our young core to be "amazing". 

I also think that trading for better players is part of Danny's rebuilding strategy.  He's always been candid that he sees draft picks as "chips".

Amazing is wrong words I guess, but you get the idea.  Our team did better then most people believe, and only going to get better.  I do see trading is a part of rebuilding but I think Boogie is going to cost us to much.  Everybody keeps going back to the Garnett and Allen trades but that was different.  We had Pierce already and right now not a star yet.  So I think signing as big name this year, keep building the young core, next year signing another free agent worth while, gives us a chance to do a bigger deal down the road. 

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« Reply #9 on: June 23, 2015, 09:34:09 PM »

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I'm not sure that I consider our young core to be "amazing". 

I also think that trading for better players is part of Danny's rebuilding strategy.  He's always been candid that he sees draft picks as "chips".

Amazing is wrong words I guess, but you get the idea.  Our team did better then most people believe, and only going to get better.  I do see trading is a part of rebuilding but I think Boogie is going to cost us to much.  Everybody keeps going back to the Garnett and Allen trades but that was different.  We had Pierce already and right now not a star yet.  So I think signing as big name this year, keep building the young core, next year signing another free agent worth while, gives us a chance to do a bigger deal down the road.

Isn't betting on free agency a risky strategy?  What if free agents decline to come here, because we've got no stars on the team?  Wouldn't a star free agent be more likely to sign here if we had a young All-NBA player signed to a long-term deal already in place?


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Re: Keep Building - No Boogie
« Reply #10 on: June 23, 2015, 09:35:48 PM »

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Before you say anything, I'm a big Cousins fan, but I don't want him.  He's a top 5 if not top 3 center in the league but he does come with some issues.  Lets be honest the Celtics shouldn't have gotten into the playoffs, but we did and it worked in our advantage.  It's showing we're developing an amazing young core, why would we break this up.  Stop before you start saying, he's one of the best centers in the league so on and so on.  We're still rebuilding this team and are almost done.  Yes we need a true center, which we might be able to get one if not two legit centers, a scorer/small forward that can be the future, and some back up power forwards/small forwards.  Sounds like a lot but between the drafts and free agency very due able without tearing down the team.  Yes, right now we can only sign one max free agent which could be a starter such as a Greg Monroe or a LaMarcus Aldridge.  If we're able to sign a key starter, next year we'd be able to do the same.  With another year of development as a team, maybe a key free agent we'd be able to sign next year, or make bigger trades next year not tearing apart the whole team for one player.  Since the talk for Boogie would be our 2 first rounders, possibly the 2 seconders, key players such as Sully, Bradley, Smart, or other players.  This is just a thought of saying just lets keep rebuilding, but don't unload the whole team for Boogie.  If it'd cost us say a Zeller, K.O. and a 1st and 2nd, yes worth it, but it's not enough for the Kings they feel.   

Hate to break it to you, but our core is not amazing. In fact, FAR from it.

Cousins is a franchise player and someone you ABSOLUTELY give up anyone to get.

My lord, why does it seem some people would rather keep this subpar team together and keep losing rather than improve with better players?

We are not winning a championship with this roster, people.

In fact, maybe with the exception of Smart, I can guarantee there will NOT be a single player  from this current roster on our next championship team.

Does Cousin make a championship team?  No because he'd have no help, with how much we'd have to give up.  That was the point of this.  I'm not saying I wouldn't like Boogie, but the idea and if you read it was saying he's not worth unloading a team for without already having good enough pieces around him. 

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« Reply #11 on: June 23, 2015, 09:36:35 PM »

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I agree with you.  Although would love to have Cousins just not now.  C's need to draft and get up in this draft too.  I'm hoping we can land Kristaps or a big man to go with Smart.

If not now, then when? When I am a grandfather?

People are really overrating this draft. Other than the top 5, there are NO franchise players in this draft. There are nice complementary pieces like Stanley Johnson, Devin Booker, Justice Winslow, and Myles Turner but no franchise players. And, I don't see the Celts being able to trade into the top 5.

I like how people like to knock on veteran players like Love and what not, but think the world of guys who haven't played a single game in the NBA or have only played one season.

Re: Keep Building - No Boogie
« Reply #12 on: June 23, 2015, 09:37:36 PM »

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Before you say anything, I'm a big Cousins fan, but I don't want him.  He's a top 5 if not top 3 center in the league but he does come with some issues.  Lets be honest the Celtics shouldn't have gotten into the playoffs, but we did and it worked in our advantage.  It's showing we're developing an amazing young core, why would we break this up.  Stop before you start saying, he's one of the best centers in the league so on and so on.  We're still rebuilding this team and are almost done.  Yes we need a true center, which we might be able to get one if not two legit centers, a scorer/small forward that can be the future, and some back up power forwards/small forwards.  Sounds like a lot but between the drafts and free agency very due able without tearing down the team.  Yes, right now we can only sign one max free agent which could be a starter such as a Greg Monroe or a LaMarcus Aldridge.  If we're able to sign a key starter, next year we'd be able to do the same.  With another year of development as a team, maybe a key free agent we'd be able to sign next year, or make bigger trades next year not tearing apart the whole team for one player.  Since the talk for Boogie would be our 2 first rounders, possibly the 2 seconders, key players such as Sully, Bradley, Smart, or other players.  This is just a thought of saying just lets keep rebuilding, but don't unload the whole team for Boogie.  If it'd cost us say a Zeller, K.O. and a 1st and 2nd, yes worth it, but it's not enough for the Kings they feel.   

Hate to break it to you, but our core is not amazing. In fact, FAR from it.

Cousins is a franchise player and someone you ABSOLUTELY give up anyone to get.

My lord, why does it seem some people would rather keep this subpar team together and keep losing rather than improve with better players?

We are not winning a championship with this roster, people.

In fact, maybe with the exception of Smart, I can guarantee there will NOT be a single player  from this current roster on our next championship team.

Does Cousin make a championship team?  No because he'd have no help, with how much we'd have to give up.  That was the point of this.  I'm not saying I wouldn't like Boogie, but the idea and if you read it was saying he's not worth unloading a team for without already having good enough pieces around him.

Except we have cap room and would have a young stud center other All-Stars will want to play with, who would they want to play with on our current roster?  You already said we don't have a star currently.
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Re: Keep Building - No Boogie
« Reply #13 on: June 23, 2015, 09:37:49 PM »

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i told you last year we aint getting love,  and i'll tell you this year we ain't getting cousins.

Re: Keep Building - No Boogie
« Reply #14 on: June 23, 2015, 09:39:36 PM »

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Before you say anything, I'm a big Cousins fan, but I don't want him.  He's a top 5 if not top 3 center in the league but he does come with some issues.  Lets be honest the Celtics shouldn't have gotten into the playoffs, but we did and it worked in our advantage.  It's showing we're developing an amazing young core, why would we break this up.  Stop before you start saying, he's one of the best centers in the league so on and so on.  We're still rebuilding this team and are almost done.  Yes we need a true center, which we might be able to get one if not two legit centers, a scorer/small forward that can be the future, and some back up power forwards/small forwards.  Sounds like a lot but between the drafts and free agency very due able without tearing down the team.  Yes, right now we can only sign one max free agent which could be a starter such as a Greg Monroe or a LaMarcus Aldridge.  If we're able to sign a key starter, next year we'd be able to do the same.  With another year of development as a team, maybe a key free agent we'd be able to sign next year, or make bigger trades next year not tearing apart the whole team for one player.  Since the talk for Boogie would be our 2 first rounders, possibly the 2 seconders, key players such as Sully, Bradley, Smart, or other players.  This is just a thought of saying just lets keep rebuilding, but don't unload the whole team for Boogie.  If it'd cost us say a Zeller, K.O. and a 1st and 2nd, yes worth it, but it's not enough for the Kings they feel.   


Hate to break it to you, but our core is not amazing. In fact, FAR from it.

Cousins is a franchise player and someone you ABSOLUTELY give up anyone to get.

My lord, why does it seem some people would rather keep this subpar team together and keep losing rather than improve with better players?

We are not winning a championship with this roster, people.

In fact, maybe with the exception of Smart, I can guarantee there will NOT be a single player  from this current roster on our next championship team.

How has Cousins worked out for Sactown?  If he is so amazing why are they in the lottery year after year?

I'm not saying he wouldn't be our best player, but it isn't like he instantly changes our franchise.  I'd give up four firsts for him including one of the Brooklynn picks and Sully, but I wouldn't do one of those our 3 best players and 3 picks deals.

Modified, I guess I shouldn't do two things at once, not sure how my post got included in the quotes.
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