Cauley-Stein Foot Causing Stock to Fall?

[JHTruth]

Here's an interesting idea wonder if anyone might be interested. If WCS is going to fall down there, let's trade up and grab a couple of these guys. WCS and Turner might be a crazy front line in a couple years.

Or WCS and Hezonja? Turner and Winslow?

Shoot for the moon I say..

Is that you Future Celtics Owner?

Who is Future Celtics Owner?

A poster on this board that used to bring every topic imaginable to the Celtics getting Turner and Upshaw.  Rereading what you wrote, I blew the joke as you didn't mention Upshaw, Im getting old I guess.

OK haha well heck if you can get two athletic 7 footers with some skills, I mean I guess we could take Oubre or something but just sounds so weak in comparison..

[JHTruth]

Here's an interesting idea wonder if anyone might be interested. If WCS is going to fall down there, let's trade up and grab a couple of these guys. WCS and Turner might be a crazy front line in a couple years.

Or WCS and Hezonja? Turner and Winslow?

Shoot for the moon I say..

Crazy front line from guys drafted after 10?

Imagination can be your enemy on draft day.

3 of the Celtics starters on the championship team were drafter at or after 10, Pierce (10), Rondo (21) and Perk (27). Players like Kobe Bryant, Ginobili, Green, Millsap, Klay Thompson, Tony Parker, Al Jefferson, and Monta Ellis were all taken outside of the top 10 and in some cases the second round. Players like Kwame Brown and Darko Milicic were also taken near the tops of their drafts. Being projected, much less picked, in the top 10 is far from a guarantee of a bright future, just as falling outside the top 10 doesn't mean they are a surefire bust.

I think you are missing the point. The previous poster was already excited about these guys. The reality is that they most likely won't be anything special.

It is draft hype. People inflate the value of these guys due to them not having shown their NBA limitations yet.

I think WCS and Turner have the tools to be special whereas we pretty much know KO and Sully will never be special

[guava_wrench]

Here's an interesting idea wonder if anyone might be interested. If WCS is going to fall down there, let's trade up and grab a couple of these guys. WCS and Turner might be a crazy front line in a couple years.

Or WCS and Hezonja? Turner and Winslow?

Shoot for the moon I say..

Crazy front line from guys drafted after 10?

Imagination can be your enemy on draft day.

3 of the Celtics starters on the championship team were drafter at or after 10, Pierce (10), Rondo (21) and Perk (27). Players like Kobe Bryant, Ginobili, Green, Millsap, Klay Thompson, Tony Parker, Al Jefferson, and Monta Ellis were all taken outside of the top 10 and in some cases the second round. Players like Kwame Brown and Darko Milicic were also taken near the tops of their drafts. Being projected, much less picked, in the top 10 is far from a guarantee of a bright future, just as falling outside the top 10 doesn't mean they are a surefire bust.

I think you are missing the point. The previous poster was already excited about these guys. The reality is that they most likely won't be anything special.

It is draft hype. People inflate the value of these guys due to them not having shown their NBA limitations yet.

I think WCS and Turner have the tools to be special whereas we pretty much know KO and Sully will never be special

And that is reasonable to say.

But they also have the chance to be garbage.

At least we know KO and Sully can play in the NBA.

The biggest problem with the draft is that we get excited by guys who have skills that seemed impressive in college but are actually a dime a dozen in the NBA, but we think about their potential best case scenario.

[JHTruth]

Here's an interesting idea wonder if anyone might be interested. If WCS is going to fall down there, let's trade up and grab a couple of these guys. WCS and Turner might be a crazy front line in a couple years.

Or WCS and Hezonja? Turner and Winslow?

Shoot for the moon I say..

Crazy front line from guys drafted after 10?

Imagination can be your enemy on draft day.

3 of the Celtics starters on the championship team were drafter at or after 10, Pierce (10), Rondo (21) and Perk (27). Players like Kobe Bryant, Ginobili, Green, Millsap, Klay Thompson, Tony Parker, Al Jefferson, and Monta Ellis were all taken outside of the top 10 and in some cases the second round. Players like Kwame Brown and Darko Milicic were also taken near the tops of their drafts. Being projected, much less picked, in the top 10 is far from a guarantee of a bright future, just as falling outside the top 10 doesn't mean they are a surefire bust.

I think you are missing the point. The previous poster was already excited about these guys. The reality is that they most likely won't be anything special.

It is draft hype. People inflate the value of these guys due to them not having shown their NBA limitations yet.

I think WCS and Turner have the tools to be special whereas we pretty much know KO and Sully will never be special

And that is reasonable to say.

But they also have the chance to be garbage.

At least we know KO and Sully can play in the NBA.

The biggest problem with the draft is that we get excited by guys who have skills that seemed impressive in college but are actually a dime a dozen in the NBA, but we think about their potential best case scenario.

Yeah I guess. I mean if KO and Sully are coming off your bench, you're probably a contender. If they're your starting FC, you probably suck. It's not necessarily an either-or-type of thing, but I'd argue players like Sully and KO are a dime a dozen while 7-footers with the physical tools of WCS and Turner are not..

[Celtics4ever]

At least we know KO and Sully can play in the NBA.

WCS will be a better defender than either of these guys from day one and it is not even close.   I think he could smother, their offense too, with his athletic ability, foot-speed, vertical and length.

Sully is garbage on the defensive end.    WCS can guard PGs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N3lC89LrltA

Do you recall him smothering Jerian Grant in the NCAAs this year.

These ought to show how athletic he is

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DH7wEa3nXT0

No big man has ever recorded a quicker time in the lane agility drill, which assesses body control and change of direction ability. And with a 147-inch maximum vertical reach, few bigs even come close to Cauley-Stein's length.

Very few players are as fast and laterally-quick as Cauley-Stein, much less big men. Only seven players have lane agility and sprint scores that combine for fewer seconds than him, and none of them measure over 6'4.

http://www.sbnation.com/2015/4/3/8338409/willie-cauley-stein-defense-nba-draft-2015

Does he have faults, yes, he is a thoroughbred to Oly's mule and Sully's Clydesdale.  His defense is off the charts.

Willie Cauley-Stein on his meeting with the Pacers: "Larry [Bird] told me, 'I think you're a $100 million dollar player.' I hear that and I'm like, 'Really?!' "

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/eye-on-basketball/25187849/larry-bird-tells-willie-cauley-stein-youre-a-100-million-dollar-player


No one is ever going to say that about Oly and Sully.

[ThaPreacher]

Probably some sort of planted smokescreen.

Still not enamored with the guy and wouldn't exactly be happy if the Celtics traded up to get him.

What as opposed to KO or Sully? ROFL out big guys stink to high heaven and you want to pass on WCS?

Oh, I forgot WCS is a sure thing.  Certainly gonna solve this team's woes.  My bad.

Do you think Willie Cauley-Stein can out run most of the other Centers?  We already know that scouts and GMs believe he will be a special defensive player.  If he can get up and down the court, he will add another dimension to an uptempo team. 

He may never shoot threes, but neither did Russell, Cowens, or the Chief.  I am not comparing WCS to them, however I think he will prove to be an interesting player. Certainly worth a roster move if the Celtics can move up to 9,10 or 11 to get him. 

I think Danny has other plans, but we will see.  No way WCS drops to 16. 

[JHTruth]

Probably some sort of planted smokescreen.

Still not enamored with the guy and wouldn't exactly be happy if the Celtics traded up to get him.

What as opposed to KO or Sully? ROFL out big guys stink to high heaven and you want to pass on WCS?

Oh, I forgot WCS is a sure thing.  Certainly gonna solve this team's woes.  My bad.

Do you think Willie Cauley-Stein can out run most of the other Centers?  We already know that scouts and GMs believe he will be a special defensive player.  If he can get up and down the court, he will add another dimension to an uptempo team. 

He may never shoot threes, but neither did Russell, Cowens, or the Chief.  I am not comparing WCS to them, however I think he will prove to be an interesting player. Certainly worth a roster move if the Celtics can move up to 9,10 or 11 to get him. 

I think Danny has other plans, but we will see.  No way WCS drops to 16.

I think Danny would love to get to No 4 to draft Winslow or Porzingas. If that fails, he will get to 9-10 to draft WCS and/or Turner. If that fails, trade out..

[tarheelsxxiii]

Seems like there's some kind of social influence effect that has happened here. Everyone went from being enamored with him to doubting his ability to play at the next level. If his biggest obstacle will be offensive production, I don't feel all that concerned after watching this some time ago:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i89E4DyhVU0

And there's no question he's an elite athlete that will excel defensively at the next level, and no bigger need that we have had in years. If his health is in question, or his interest in bball, that's a different story. But I'm not seeing those being the issues discussed most often.

Related to the above, if Bird truly said that, then it's true. Even when he's wrong, he's so right.

[Chris22]

Danny is spreading rumors again.

[GetLucky]

He has over a 12 ft. max vertical reach 

If true, that's remarkable, especially given his height and agility.

[Csfan1984]

Biggest 3 questions after taking time on this that need to be answered before any move up or even draft of WCS at 16 for me would be:
1. Is the injury healed well and correctly to not effect him 8 years?
2. Is it a freak one time injury or is he suceptible to similar types of injury or re-injury.
3. What will it cost to select him?

If any of the first two questions come back bad IDK if a team waste lottery pick on the guy.

[SHAQATTACK]

Meh.....forget all these draft picks .....unless it's Winslow

Throw the house at Boogie Cousins

[BudweiserCeltic]

Probasketballdraft @Probballdraft
Willie Cauley-Stein not medically cleared by Pacers medical staff. Have heard a few teams scared by his ankle. #NBADraft

[Evantime34]

Probasketballdraft @Probballdraft
Willie Cauley-Stein not medically cleared by Pacers medical staff. Have heard a few teams scared by his ankle. #NBADraft

The more teams take him off their draft board the better for us.

[BitterJim]

Willie Cauley-Stein on his meeting with the Pacers: "Larry [Bird] told me, 'I think you're a $100 million dollar player.' I hear that and I'm like, 'Really?!' "

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/eye-on-basketball/25187849/larry-bird-tells-willie-cauley-stein-youre-a-100-million-dollar-player


No one is ever going to say that about Oly and Sully.

Well, convert it from $ to £ and I could see someone saying it about Sully