Chris Sheridan: C's could trade for #4 pick (speculation)

[footey]

I would draft Porzingis and then sign Greg Monroe.  Porzingis gives you the stretch four and rim protection that would be the perfect balance for Monroe's low post game. Once Sully/KO and Zeller are coming off the bench as role players, then we really start to compete.

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[footey]

I don't understand this rumor. Carmelo Anthony is 31 years old and one-year into a five-year $124 million contract (although he can opt-out a year early). Phil Jackson will be 70 years old before the start of next season. I don't see the NYK trading #4 for a quantity of middling picks this year and next.

Nevertheless, if the Celtics traded for #4, I hope the first thing they would try to do is package it, along with other assets, for DMC. If not, I like Winslow.

You just listed two reasons why they pull the trade. They dont have alot of time to waste like the dreaded 76ers. Melo was probably promised by phil and derek before signing that asap they will build a contending team.

Unfortunately the 4th pick alone plus melo wont help them get anywhere. Better chance to help the team move fwd with drafting Lyles at 16(who phil really likes) and Delon Wright at 28. They also like Joseph Young.

The Celts are in a diff position. They lack a superstar but have alot of the rest taken cared of. Porzingis for example could help the team get over the hump.

It could be a benefical trade for both teams

makes no sense. Knicks need vets, not more picks.  Unless you expect them to take the picks and use them to get players...

[LarBrd33]

after the dust clears on the draft posturing and misinformation, it seems pretty clear that the top 2 will be Towns and Okafor... otherwise Minny and LA are smoking crack.

After that, it's pretty clear that the 76ers will take Russell... they need a versatile scorer and he has the biggest boom/bust potential of any player in the top 25 ... That's Hinkie gold.   I'm pretty sure the Embiid stuff is exaggerated.  Russell will likely be their pick. 

Then I think it's pretty much a crap shoot... and although we're all getting draftoverhypeitus, I don't really think the lack of consensus is because of how deep the draft is... I just think it's a lot of hit/miss guys.   Mudiay maybe has the best chance of turning into something, but he's a bad fit for the triangle and could be a major bust.   Pozingus is getting a lot of press lately, but so did Yi Jianlian.   I'm on record as being underwhelmed by Willie Cauley Stein.  He should be a nice rim protector, but I'm not convinced he's any better than Bismack Biyombo.    There's some guys like Winslow that some people like, but some drafts have him going as low as 8th.    I wouldn't blame the Knicks for trading down or out entirely.   I"m not as hyped on this draft as most people are.   And I kinda see our #16 and #28 picks as borderline worthless.  Danny is going to want up or out.   Actually, there's some logic in him trading down too.   Don't rule that out.   I'll be surprised if he stands pat, though.

Latest intel has them strongly considering Porzingis.

Philly?  I'm in the Embiid smokescreen conspiracy theory camp.  They want Russell... they didn't like that the Lakers were floating rumors that they'd take Russell for the Knicks since Philly would be forced to take Mudiay at 3rd.  They want it to be known they "need" a big man and are comfortable taking one there. 

Towns and Okafor go 1 and 2.   Philly takes Russell. Knicks then have to figure out if they want to roll the dice on a player. 

They should just trade #4 to the Lakers for Randle and Clarkson.  Randle is expendable seeing as LA is signing Kevin Love.   Lakers can start building around Mudiay, Love and Okafor. 

[GreenPride17]

Unless Danny and Brad know Porzingis will become a Serge Ibaka level player, no need to trade for the 4th pick

[tazzmaniac]

I heard the Knicks are interested in Suns' Eric Bledsoe lol.

http://nyc.suntimes.com/new-york-knicks/7/86/228272/knicks-trade-4-pick-suns-eric-bledsoe

Watch it happen. Bledsoe and suns 1st for 4th. 

Suns take Winslow

That trade makes sense for the Knicks.  The Knicks may still be able to get Lyles at #13.  The Suns would have to be willing to take on Calderon and additional salary or else a third team would need to be brought into the trade. 

[Forza Juventus]

after the dust clears on the draft posturing and misinformation, it seems pretty clear that the top 2 will be Towns and Okafor... otherwise Minny and LA are smoking crack.

After that, it's pretty clear that the 76ers will take Russell... they need a versatile scorer and he has the biggest boom/bust potential of any player in the top 25 ... That's Hinkie gold.   I'm pretty sure the Embiid stuff is exaggerated.  Russell will likely be their pick. 

Then I think it's pretty much a crap shoot... and although we're all getting draftoverhypeitus, I don't really think the lack of consensus is because of how deep the draft is... I just think it's a lot of hit/miss guys.   Mudiay maybe has the best chance of turning into something, but he's a bad fit for the triangle and could be a major bust.   Pozingus is getting a lot of press lately, but so did Yi Jianlian.   I'm on record as being underwhelmed by Willie Cauley Stein.  He should be a nice rim protector, but I'm not convinced he's any better than Bismack Biyombo.    There's some guys like Winslow that some people like, but some drafts have him going as low as 8th.    I wouldn't blame the Knicks for trading down or out entirely.   I"m not as hyped on this draft as most people are.   And I kinda see our #16 and #28 picks as borderline worthless.  Danny is going to want up or out.   Actually, there's some logic in him trading down too.   Don't rule that out.   I'll be surprised if he stands pat, though.

lol

[D Dub]

They should just trade #4 to the Lakers for Randle and Clarkson.  Randle is expendable seeing as LA is signing Kevin Love.   Lakers can start building around Mudiay, Love and Okafor.

No way Phil trades one elite prospect for two middling prospects. 

AB, Kelly, 16, 28, 33 trumps that offer easily.  Especially considering fit within triangle alongside Carmelo. 

[LarBrd33]

after the dust clears on the draft posturing and misinformation, it seems pretty clear that the top 2 will be Towns and Okafor... otherwise Minny and LA are smoking crack.

After that, it's pretty clear that the 76ers will take Russell... they need a versatile scorer and he has the biggest boom/bust potential of any player in the top 25 ... That's Hinkie gold.   I'm pretty sure the Embiid stuff is exaggerated.  Russell will likely be their pick. 

Then I think it's pretty much a crap shoot... and although we're all getting draftoverhypeitus, I don't really think the lack of consensus is because of how deep the draft is... I just think it's a lot of hit/miss guys.   Mudiay maybe has the best chance of turning into something, but he's a bad fit for the triangle and could be a major bust.   Pozingus is getting a lot of press lately, but so did Yi Jianlian.   I'm on record as being underwhelmed by Willie Cauley Stein.  He should be a nice rim protector, but I'm not convinced he's any better than Bismack Biyombo.    There's some guys like Winslow that some people like, but some drafts have him going as low as 8th.    I wouldn't blame the Knicks for trading down or out entirely.   I"m not as hyped on this draft as most people are.   And I kinda see our #16 and #28 picks as borderline worthless.  Danny is going to want up or out.   Actually, there's some logic in him trading down too.   Don't rule that out.   I'll be surprised if he stands pat, though.

lol

Gonna need a lot of luck.  Of the players taken 11-20 last year, a couple have shown some signs, right?  How about the guys taken 22-30?

MIght get a couple role players out of those picks.   Might be a couple Fab Melos.  Whatever... half the league has a better draft pick than we do this year. 

And yeah... I see WCS as comparable to Biyombo.

[Forza Juventus]

Trade them IT, Sullinger, #16, and one of the Brooklyn picks for Calderon and #4.

Draft whichever of Mudiay, Russell, or Okafor is still on the board.

Run away, cackling with glee.

If I were the Knicks I'd rather trade the #4 pick for Lawson and the # 7 pick.  Grab Johnson, Winslow, Hezonja or WCS and then sign one of the bigs  or Harris.

If New York is not sold on anyone at 4 that trade with Denver would be great for them. Lawson, Melo, the number 7 pick, and a max free agent could become a solid team.

[Forza Juventus]

after the dust clears on the draft posturing and misinformation, it seems pretty clear that the top 2 will be Towns and Okafor... otherwise Minny and LA are smoking crack.

After that, it's pretty clear that the 76ers will take Russell... they need a versatile scorer and he has the biggest boom/bust potential of any player in the top 25 ... That's Hinkie gold.   I'm pretty sure the Embiid stuff is exaggerated.  Russell will likely be their pick. 

Then I think it's pretty much a crap shoot... and although we're all getting draftoverhypeitus, I don't really think the lack of consensus is because of how deep the draft is... I just think it's a lot of hit/miss guys.   Mudiay maybe has the best chance of turning into something, but he's a bad fit for the triangle and could be a major bust.   Pozingus is getting a lot of press lately, but so did Yi Jianlian.   I'm on record as being underwhelmed by Willie Cauley Stein.  He should be a nice rim protector, but I'm not convinced he's any better than Bismack Biyombo.    There's some guys like Winslow that some people like, but some drafts have him going as low as 8th.    I wouldn't blame the Knicks for trading down or out entirely.   I"m not as hyped on this draft as most people are.   And I kinda see our #16 and #28 picks as borderline worthless.  Danny is going to want up or out.   Actually, there's some logic in him trading down too.   Don't rule that out.   I'll be surprised if he stands pat, though.

lol

Gonna need a lot of luck.  Of the players taken 11-20 last year, a couple have shown some signs, right?  How about the guys taken 22-30?

MIght get a couple role players out of those picks.   Might be a couple Fab Melos.  Whatever... half the league has a better draft pick than we do this year. 

And yeah... WCS is poor man's Biyombo

Well obviously the picks aren't worthless. And the Biyombo comparison is asinine.

[LarBrd33]

They should just trade #4 to the Lakers for Randle and Clarkson.  Randle is expendable seeing as LA is signing Kevin Love.   Lakers can start building around Mudiay, Love and Okafor.

No way Phil trades one elite prospect for two middling prospects. 

AB, Kelly, 16, 28, 33 trumps that offer easily.  Especially considering fit within triangle alongside Carmelo.

A lot of folks had Randle ranked ahead of Marcus Smart last year.  I was one of them.    How confident are you that Mudiay/Pozingus/Winslow/Mario/WCS are better than Marcus Smart/Julius Randle?  I'm not all that confident.  WE're right in the thick of draftoverhypeitus. 

And if you're that high on this draft, how comfortable are you trading a "middling prospect" like Marcus Smart in a trade package for #4?

[LarBrd33]

after the dust clears on the draft posturing and misinformation, it seems pretty clear that the top 2 will be Towns and Okafor... otherwise Minny and LA are smoking crack.

After that, it's pretty clear that the 76ers will take Russell... they need a versatile scorer and he has the biggest boom/bust potential of any player in the top 25 ... That's Hinkie gold.   I'm pretty sure the Embiid stuff is exaggerated.  Russell will likely be their pick. 

Then I think it's pretty much a crap shoot... and although we're all getting draftoverhypeitus, I don't really think the lack of consensus is because of how deep the draft is... I just think it's a lot of hit/miss guys.   Mudiay maybe has the best chance of turning into something, but he's a bad fit for the triangle and could be a major bust.   Pozingus is getting a lot of press lately, but so did Yi Jianlian.   I'm on record as being underwhelmed by Willie Cauley Stein.  He should be a nice rim protector, but I'm not convinced he's any better than Bismack Biyombo.    There's some guys like Winslow that some people like, but some drafts have him going as low as 8th.    I wouldn't blame the Knicks for trading down or out entirely.   I"m not as hyped on this draft as most people are.   And I kinda see our #16 and #28 picks as borderline worthless.  Danny is going to want up or out.   Actually, there's some logic in him trading down too.   Don't rule that out.   I'll be surprised if he stands pat, though.

lol

Gonna need a lot of luck.  Of the players taken 11-20 last year, a couple have shown some signs, right?  How about the guys taken 22-30?

MIght get a couple role players out of those picks.   Might be a couple Fab Melos.  Whatever... half the league has a better draft pick than we do this year. 

And yeah... WCS is poor man's Biyombo

Well obviously the picks aren't worthless. And the Biyombo comparison is asinine.

Eh... Hawks just had the best record in the East.  Thunder are a perennial contender.  They both have better draft picks than us this year.... as does half the league.  #16 and #28 aren't worth all that much.   They are worth something, sure...  People luck out with picks in that range (like Nurkic last year), but it's more likely to net a nobody or role player.   I'd be surprised to see us keep both picks.

And the Biyombo comparison is on point.

[LGC88]

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[Forza Juventus]

after the dust clears on the draft posturing and misinformation, it seems pretty clear that the top 2 will be Towns and Okafor... otherwise Minny and LA are smoking crack.

After that, it's pretty clear that the 76ers will take Russell... they need a versatile scorer and he has the biggest boom/bust potential of any player in the top 25 ... That's Hinkie gold.   I'm pretty sure the Embiid stuff is exaggerated.  Russell will likely be their pick. 

Then I think it's pretty much a crap shoot... and although we're all getting draftoverhypeitus, I don't really think the lack of consensus is because of how deep the draft is... I just think it's a lot of hit/miss guys.   Mudiay maybe has the best chance of turning into something, but he's a bad fit for the triangle and could be a major bust.   Pozingus is getting a lot of press lately, but so did Yi Jianlian.   I'm on record as being underwhelmed by Willie Cauley Stein.  He should be a nice rim protector, but I'm not convinced he's any better than Bismack Biyombo.    There's some guys like Winslow that some people like, but some drafts have him going as low as 8th.    I wouldn't blame the Knicks for trading down or out entirely.   I"m not as hyped on this draft as most people are.   And I kinda see our #16 and #28 picks as borderline worthless.  Danny is going to want up or out.   Actually, there's some logic in him trading down too.   Don't rule that out.   I'll be surprised if he stands pat, though.

lol

Gonna need a lot of luck.  Of the players taken 11-20 last year, a couple have shown some signs, right?  How about the guys taken 22-30?

MIght get a couple role players out of those picks.   Might be a couple Fab Melos.  Whatever... half the league has a better draft pick than we do this year. 

And yeah... WCS is poor man's Biyombo

Well obviously the picks aren't worthless. And the Biyombo comparison is asinine.

Eh... Hawks just had the best record in the East.  Thunder are a perennial contender.  They both have better draft picks than us this year.... as does half the league.  #16 and #28 aren't worth all that much.   They are worth something, sure...  People luck out with picks in that range (like Nurkic last year), but it's more likely to net a nobody or role player.   I'd be surprised to see us keep both picks.

And the Biyombo comparison is on point.

It's dumb to call role players on rookie contracts worthless. And your Biyombo comparison might be the worst comparison I've ever heard, it's like you never watched WCS play. He is a defensive genius.

[Eddie20]

after the dust clears on the draft posturing and misinformation, it seems pretty clear that the top 2 will be Towns and Okafor... otherwise Minny and LA are smoking crack.

After that, it's pretty clear that the 76ers will take Russell... they need a versatile scorer and he has the biggest boom/bust potential of any player in the top 25 ... That's Hinkie gold.   I'm pretty sure the Embiid stuff is exaggerated.  Russell will likely be their pick. 

Then I think it's pretty much a crap shoot... and although we're all getting draftoverhypeitus, I don't really think the lack of consensus is because of how deep the draft is... I just think it's a lot of hit/miss guys.   Mudiay maybe has the best chance of turning into something, but he's a bad fit for the triangle and could be a major bust.   Pozingus is getting a lot of press lately, but so did Yi Jianlian.   I'm on record as being underwhelmed by Willie Cauley Stein.  He should be a nice rim protector, but I'm not convinced he's any better than Bismack Biyombo.    There's some guys like Winslow that some people like, but some drafts have him going as low as 8th.    I wouldn't blame the Knicks for trading down or out entirely.   I"m not as hyped on this draft as most people are.   And I kinda see our #16 and #28 picks as borderline worthless.  Danny is going to want up or out.   Actually, there's some logic in him trading down too.   Don't rule that out.   I'll be surprised if he stands pat, though.

lol

Gonna need a lot of luck.  Of the players taken 11-20 last year, a couple have shown some signs, right?  How about the guys taken 22-30?

MIght get a couple role players out of those picks.   Might be a couple Fab Melos.  Whatever... half the league has a better draft pick than we do this year. 

And yeah... WCS is poor man's Biyombo

Well obviously the picks aren't worthless. And the Biyombo comparison is asinine.

Eh... Hawks just had the best record in the East.  Thunder are a perennial contender.  They both have better draft picks than us this year.... as does half the league.  #16 and #28 aren't worth all that much.   They are worth something, sure...  People luck out with picks in that range (like Nurkic last year), but it's more likely to net a nobody or role player.   I'd be surprised to see us keep both picks.

And the Biyombo comparison is on point.

Your MO is so simplistic. If WCS were on the Sixers, then he'd be another foundation piece. As has been pointed out in other places Cauley-Stein and Noel are virtually identical as players. Limited offensively with great defense. Yet you won't put Noel in his class because it doesn't fit your Sixers cheerleading prerogative.

Even their measurements are comparable, but WCS has the slight edge.

HT
WCS 7' 0.5"
Noel 6' 11.75"

WT
WCS 242
Noel 206

Wingspan
WCS 7' 3"
Noel 7' 3.75"

Standing Reach
WCS 9' 3"
Noel 9' 2"

Age
WCS 21 (4 months younger than Noel)
Noel 21