Chris Sheridan: C's could trade for #4 pick (speculation)

[PhoSita]

Trade them IT, Sullinger, #16, and one of the Brooklyn picks for Calderon and #4.

Draft whichever of Mudiay, Russell, or Okafor is still on the board.

Run away, cackling with glee.

No offense, but in my opinion, that's an absolutely terrible trade.  No way in hell would I do that.

Trading into the top 5 requires an outrageous overpay.  It's a major gamble -- for both sides.


The Celtics are in a position right now where they desperately need a shot at a franchise player.  The Knicks feel they already have a franchise player, and they want to gear up to actually try and contend while he's still got some gas left in the tank.


I would gladly give up the two best players on this team -- "best" on this team doesn't mean much -- and risk making the team a lot worse, in order to get a shot at a franchise guy. 

The #16 pick and one of the Brooklyn picks are chump change to me; those are probably going to turn into role players along the lines of Kelly Olynyk or Avery Bradley, i.e. the type of assets the Celts already have in excess.


In this draft, I'd much prefer to have a top 3 pick, but there will probably still be somebody really good left on the board at #4, especially with two horribly managed teams in the top two spots.

[SHAQATTACK]

Trade them IT, Sullinger, #16, and one of the Brooklyn picks for Calderon and #4.

Draft whichever of Mudiay, Russell, or Okafor is still on the board.

Run away, cackling with glee.

No offense, but in my opinion, that's an absolutely terrible trade.  No way in hell would I do that.

Trading into the top 5 requires an outrageous overpay.  It's a major gamble -- for both sides.


The Celtics are in a position right now where they desperately need a shot at a franchise player.  The Knicks feel they already have a franchise player, and they want to gear up to actually try and contend while he's still got some gas left in the tank.


I would gladly give up the two best players on this team -- "best" on this team doesn't mean much -- and risk making the team a lot worse, in order to get a shot at a franchise guy. 

The #16 pick and one of the Brooklyn picks are chump change to me; those are probably going to turn into role players along the lines of Kelly Olynyk or Avery Bradley, i.e. the type of assets the Celts already have in excess.


In this draft, I'd much prefer to have a top 3 pick, but there will probably still be somebody really good left on the board at #4, especially with two horribly managed teams in the top two spots.

I thought of this as well.   Trade everything to get a star pick. 

Smart is the only player we got .....as bait that could be part of a deal to get a top five pick.

I just hate to think about it though .

[smiggity]

I don't understand this rumor. Carmelo Anthony is 31 years old and one-year into a five-year $124 million contract (although he can opt-out a year early). Phil Jackson will be 70 years old before the start of next season. I don't see the NYK trading #4 for a quantity of middling picks this year and next.

Nevertheless, if the Celtics traded for #4, I hope the first thing they would try to do is package it, along with other assets, for DMC. If not, I like Winslow.

You just listed two reasons why they pull the trade. They dont have alot of time to waste like the dreaded 76ers. Melo was probably promised by phil and derek before signing that asap they will build a contending team.

Unfortunately the 4th pick alone plus melo wont help them get anywhere. Better chance to help the team move fwd with drafting Lyles at 16(who phil really likes) and Delon Wright at 28. They also like Joseph Young.

The Celts are in a diff position. They lack a superstar but have alot of the rest taken cared of. Porzingis for example could help the team get over the hump.

It could be a benefical trade for both teams

The Knicks have been star-chasing for what seems like forever, and I don't expect that to change now that Phil Jackson is at the helm. He doesn't strike me as someone interested in building a deep team by scouting players going in mid to late rounds. He won his rings coaching the greatest players in the league (Jordan, Scottie, Shaq, Kobe). I expect the Knicks to attempt to make a splash in free agency this year and next. I also expect them to use the #4 pick to draft someone they think is an impact player. If they don't think there is an impact player, I expect they will try to trade the pick for one. I'll be happily surprised if the Celtics can make a 4 quarters for a dollar trade with the Knicks, as Sheridan's report suggests.

[Tr1boy]

I don't understand this rumor. Carmelo Anthony is 31 years old and one-year into a five-year $124 million contract (although he can opt-out a year early). Phil Jackson will be 70 years old before the start of next season. I don't see the NYK trading #4 for a quantity of middling picks this year and next.

Nevertheless, if the Celtics traded for #4, I hope the first thing they would try to do is package it, along with other assets, for DMC. If not, I like Winslow.

You just listed two reasons why they pull the trade. They dont have alot of time to waste like the dreaded 76ers. Melo was probably promised by phil and derek before signing that asap they will build a contending team.

Unfortunately the 4th pick alone plus melo wont help them get anywhere. Better chance to help the team move fwd with drafting Lyles at 16(who phil really likes) and Delon Wright at 28. They also like Joseph Young.

The Celts are in a diff position. They lack a superstar but have alot of the rest taken cared of. Porzingis for example could help the team get over the hump.

It could be a benefical trade for both teams

The Knicks have been star-chasing for what seems like forever, and I don't expect that to change now that Phil Jackson is at the helm. He doesn't strike me as someone interested in building a deep team by scouting players going in mid to late rounds. He won his rings coaching the greatest players in the league (Jordan, Scottie, Shaq, Kobe). I expect the Knicks to attempt to make a splash in free agency this year and next. I also expect them to use the #4 pick to draft someone they think is an impact player. If they don't think there is an impact player, I expect they will try to trade the pick for one. I'll be happily surprised if the Celtics can make a 4 quarters for a dollar trade with the Knicks, as Sheridan's report suggests.

I get your pt. But dont associate a number 4 picked player from this years draft fo be an automatic superstar. For example Mudiay vs Payne . Or Porzingis vs Kaminsky vs Lyles.

Phil could be looking at it this way also.  Celtics on the other hand have multiple picks to take the risk and hope porzingis is a future star as an example

The knicks dont have the patience , time, system to take the risk imo

[Vermont Green]

Trade them IT, Sullinger, #16, and one of the Brooklyn picks for Calderon and #4.

Draft whichever of Mudiay, Russell, or Okafor is still on the board.

Run away, cackling with glee.

No offense, but in my opinion, that's an absolutely terrible trade.  No way in hell would I do that.

Trading into the top 5 requires an outrageous overpay.  It's a major gamble -- for both sides.


The Celtics are in a position right now where they desperately need a shot at a franchise player.  The Knicks feel they already have a franchise player, and they want to gear up to actually try and contend while he's still got some gas left in the tank.


I would gladly give up the two best players on this team -- "best" on this team doesn't mean much -- and risk making the team a lot worse, in order to get a shot at a franchise guy. 

The #16 pick and one of the Brooklyn picks are chump change to me; those are probably going to turn into role players along the lines of Kelly Olynyk or Avery Bradley, i.e. the type of assets the Celts already have in excess.


In this draft, I'd much prefer to have a top 3 pick, but there will probably still be somebody really good left on the board at #4, especially with two horribly managed teams in the top two spots.

I agree with the premise, I just don't think we need to (or should) give up that much.  I have been thinking the Knicks would like Bradley to play off Melo but if they like IT, I am fine with that.  I believe ideally, the Knicks want player(s) that can now plus some picks.  Then either #16 this year or BKN 2016 (not both) and maybe the Dallas pick.  If we have to add another player to match salary with Calderon, fine, maybe Turner or Olynyk but not Sullinger.  If it takes more than that to get it done, walk away.

[Mencius]

Trade them IT, Sullinger, #16, and one of the Brooklyn picks for Calderon and #4.

Draft whichever of Mudiay, Russell, or Okafor is still on the board.

Run away, cackling with glee.

If I were the Knicks I'd rather trade the #4 pick for Lawson and the # 7 pick.  Grab Johnson, Winslow, Hezonja or WCS and then sign one of the bigs  or Harris.

Same here.  That'd be a much better trade from the Knicks perspective, then grab Monroe in free agency.

[D Dub]

I like Vermont Green's idea. 

AB, Kelly, 16, 28, 33 for Caulderon, Acy & 4.   That seems mutually beneficial, both players fit the Knicks system, and no one else can put three late firsts on the table.    This being Phil's first go around with scouting, he could be convincing himself he'll outsmart everyone with some late gems...

[SparzWizard]

I heard the Knicks are interested in Suns' Eric Bledsoe lol.

http://nyc.suntimes.com/new-york-knicks/7/86/228272/knicks-trade-4-pick-suns-eric-bledsoe

[Tr1boy]

I heard the Knicks are interested in Suns' Eric Bledsoe lol.

http://nyc.suntimes.com/new-york-knicks/7/86/228272/knicks-trade-4-pick-suns-eric-bledsoe

Watch it happen. Bledsoe and suns 1st for 4th. 

Suns take Winslow

[slamtheking]

Trade them IT, Sullinger, #16, and one of the Brooklyn picks for Calderon and #4.

Draft whichever of Mudiay, Russell, or Okafor is still on the board.

Run away, cackling with glee.

If I were the Knicks I'd rather trade the #4 pick for Lawson and the # 7 pick.  Grab Johnson, Winslow, Hezonja or WCS and then sign one of the bigs  or Harris. 

smartest option posted so far

[jambr380]

I heard the Knicks are interested in Suns' Eric Bledsoe lol.

http://nyc.suntimes.com/new-york-knicks/7/86/228272/knicks-trade-4-pick-suns-eric-bledsoe

Watch it happen. Bledsoe and suns 1st for 4th. 

Suns take Winslow

If this happened, I wouldn't know what to say. The Suns had Bledsoe, Dragic, and IT and a year later all of them would be gone? That would be the epitome of a team without a plan.

Trade them IT, Sullinger, #16, and one of the Brooklyn picks for Calderon and #4.

Draft whichever of Mudiay, Russell, or Okafor is still on the board.

Run away, cackling with glee.

If I were the Knicks I'd rather trade the #4 pick for Lawson and the # 7 pick.  Grab Johnson, Winslow, Hezonja or WCS and then sign one of the bigs  or Harris. 

smartest option posted so far

Is this a rumor? Why would the Nuggets do this when there is almost no difference between the 4th and 7th picks in this [particular] draft? The Knicks are benefiting far more than the Nuggets in this deal.

[Endless Paradise]

Because Ty Lawson no longer wants to be a Nugget and the team has been openly shopping him, most recently for the Kings' pick (an offer that was rebuffed by Sacramento)? I don't see how you can logically argue that Denver would be losing that trade by turning a disgruntled player and a lower pick into a better pick.

[tazzmaniac]

I don't understand this rumor. Carmelo Anthony is 31 years old and one-year into a five-year $124 million contract (although he can opt-out a year early). Phil Jackson will be 70 years old before the start of next season. I don't see the NYK trading #4 for a quantity of middling picks this year and next.

Nevertheless, if the Celtics traded for #4, I hope the first thing they would try to do is package it, along with other assets, for DMC. If not, I like Winslow.

You just listed two reasons why they pull the trade. They dont have alot of time to waste like the dreaded 76ers. Melo was probably promised by phil and derek before signing that asap they will build a contending team.

Unfortunately the 4th pick alone plus melo wont help them get anywhere. Better chance to help the team move fwd with drafting Lyles at 16(who phil really likes) and Delon Wright at 28. They also like Joseph Young.

The Celts are in a diff position. They lack a superstar but have alot of the rest taken cared of. Porzingis for example could help the team get over the hump.

It could be a benefical trade for both teams

The Knicks have been star-chasing for what seems like forever, and I don't expect that to change now that Phil Jackson is at the helm. He doesn't strike me as someone interested in building a deep team by scouting players going in mid to late rounds. He won his rings coaching the greatest players in the league (Jordan, Scottie, Shaq, Kobe). I expect the Knicks to attempt to make a splash in free agency this year and next. I also expect them to use the #4 pick to draft someone they think is an impact player. If they don't think there is an impact player, I expect they will try to trade the pick for one. I'll be happily surprised if the Celtics can make a 4 quarters for a dollar trade with the Knicks, as Sheridan's report suggests.

I get your pt. But dont associate a number 4 picked player from this years draft fo be an automatic superstar. For example Mudiay vs Payne . Or Porzingis vs Kaminsky vs Lyles.

Phil could be looking at it this way also.  Celtics on the other hand have multiple picks to take the risk and hope porzingis is a future star as an example

The knicks dont have the patience , time, system to take the risk imo

Which is why Jackson will most likely look to trade the #4 for established talent not a bunch of middling picks.  If he does trade down, I doubt it would be all the way to #16.  Assuming Jackson wants Lyles, I'd look for him to trade down to the #7 to #10 range because I don't think Lyles will make it to #16.   

[footey]

after the dust clears on the draft posturing and misinformation, it seems pretty clear that the top 2 will be Towns and Okafor... otherwise Minny and LA are smoking crack.

After that, it's pretty clear that the 76ers will take Russell... they need a versatile scorer and he has the biggest boom/bust potential of any player in the top 25 ... That's Hinkie gold.   I'm pretty sure the Embiid stuff is exaggerated.  Russell will likely be their pick. 

Then I think it's pretty much a crap shoot... and although we're all getting draftoverhypeitus, I don't really think the lack of consensus is because of how deep the draft is... I just think it's a lot of hit/miss guys.   Mudiay maybe has the best chance of turning into something, but he's a bad fit for the triangle and could be a major bust.   Pozingus is getting a lot of press lately, but so did Yi Jianlian.   I'm on record as being underwhelmed by Willie Cauley Stein.  He should be a nice rim protector, but I'm not convinced he's any better than Bismack Biyombo.    There's some guys like Winslow that some people like, but some drafts have him going as low as 8th.    I wouldn't blame the Knicks for trading down or out entirely.   I"m not as hyped on this draft as most people are.   And I kinda see our #16 and #28 picks as borderline worthless.  Danny is going to want up or out.   Actually, there's some logic in him trading down too.   Don't rule that out.   I'll be surprised if he stands pat, though.

Latest intel has them strongly considering Porzingis.

[tazzmaniac]

I heard the Knicks are interested in Suns' Eric Bledsoe lol.

http://nyc.suntimes.com/new-york-knicks/7/86/228272/knicks-trade-4-pick-suns-eric-bledsoe

Watch it happen. Bledsoe and suns 1st for 4th. 

Suns take Winslow

If this happened, I wouldn't know what to say. The Suns had Bledsoe, Dragic, and IT and a year later all of them would be gone? That would be the epitome of a team without a plan.

Trade them IT, Sullinger, #16, and one of the Brooklyn picks for Calderon and #4.

Draft whichever of Mudiay, Russell, or Okafor is still on the board.

Run away, cackling with glee.

If I were the Knicks I'd rather trade the #4 pick for Lawson and the # 7 pick.  Grab Johnson, Winslow, Hezonja or WCS and then sign one of the bigs  or Harris. 

smartest option posted so far

Is this a rumor? Why would the Nuggets do this when there is almost no difference between the 4th and 7th picks in this [particular] draft? The Knicks are benefiting far more than the Nuggets in this deal.

Just because you think there is little difference between the 4th and 7th picks doesn't mean everybody feels that way.  There have been comments from some scouts that Porzingis is the best player in this draft.  If Denver feels that way about him, they should definitely make the trade.