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Re: Robert Upshaw chatter
« Reply #60 on: June 19, 2015, 08:48:41 PM »

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I hope the young man focuses on getting his life in order first.  I know the agents are gonna push this guy into the NBA but hopefully he's ready.  At the end of the day we don't know what this guys story is and we probably won't until he tells us.

I'd still gamble on him in the second round. If it's addiction then make his rookie year a rehab year like a euro draft and stash. If it doesn't work then at least you have a young man the best opportunity. Besides, the odds are stacked against late 2nd rounders.

Re: Robert Upshaw chatter
« Reply #61 on: June 19, 2015, 09:12:44 PM »

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Why am I advocating to pick him at #16? Because he has the potential to be special (to use a FIFA term), compare to the rest of the guys that are slotted to be available when we pick. And I know slamtheking don't like to see this, but again, there's a definite chance that he won't be available in the 2nd round, as there are teams who have their Centers going into free agency that can take a flier at him in the early 20's.

Take out the red flags, and he's a great value pick at #16. So why not pick him at #16 and just work with his past issues and make sure it doesn't haunt him back? He seems to be helping himself already.

But he does have red flags.  I'd feel a lot more comfortable about taking a gamble if he were coming off his second ACL tear in the same knee instead of drug problems.
Well I guess thats one thing you can say about Upshaw, he has no injuries(didn't play an awful lot but still)and with big guys that is very rare.

Re: Robert Upshaw chatter
« Reply #62 on: June 19, 2015, 10:17:53 PM »

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I agree with Yoki. We need to take the best prospect available, and Upshaw is. But we do have Danny Ainge and if he can trade down or if Upshaw falls to us at 28(I doubt it)we should grab him. With the cap going up his $ is nothing but his potential is huge.

Robert Upshaw:http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Robert-Upshaw-6447/
He has elite size and length. 6'11'' w/o shoes, 9'5'' standing reach, 7'5.5'' wingspan(wingspan and standing reach are the GOLD STANDARD for centers)

Also there are reports that he has an unofficial 7'7'' wingspan. Give me some time and I will find it (it was posted on here before) . IDK if I was someones agent I would hire some expert to professionally show my clients how to measure correctly.

He does compare well with Whiteside, but not the skinny Whiteside that was drafted, the new Whiteside that has gained muscle and weight. Although I believe Upshaw has more potential that Whiteside on the offensive end. His shot /ft looks better and is something he can work on.

In the end Upshaw has the ability to go pound for pound against anybody in this league.  I do trust Danny and CBS and think Boston would be a great place for Upshaw. In the end none of us knows what really happened and a lot of us were doing some of the same things in college....not herion but I d not know if that is fact. Also people use herion because they are depressed/ self medicating because of undiagnosed mental issued. Working out and playing basketball get your endorphins going. Who knows maybe this kid put his families future on his back and was scared/anxious that he could not provide for them.

Yoki is right we have to swing for the fences in the middle round/later picks. We don't need anymore role players and Upshaw fills a hole that we have.

For example. Tyler Zeller was our starting center last year. his standing reach is 8'8'', Upshaws is 9'5'' basically a 9'' difference between them going straight up to protect the rim or grab a board. Sully has a 8'9.5'' standing reach. Measurements are a good tool but if a guy is a PLAYER then he can overcome ala sully being fat slow and not eye popping measurements....but he has good hands and a knack for rebounding and scoring that helps him overcome.

Hopefully our team will evaluate Upshaw like they did Sully back in 2012 and get real serious value for our pick. CBS is a great coach and if anyone can help this kid its him. We will see. But he is def the best prospect at 16.
Also who knows if what teams are saying is bs smoke so they can draft him. Many teams apparently saying they don't even have them on their board at all.....thats either poor scouting/judgement or lies.


Re: Robert Upshaw chatter
« Reply #63 on: June 19, 2015, 10:24:06 PM »

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cue the auto-reply from Future Celtic Fan to re-emphasize the need to pick this guy with #16 so no else will take him.

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Re: Robert Upshaw chatter
« Reply #64 on: June 19, 2015, 10:42:53 PM »

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Future Celtic fan lol

Re: Robert Upshaw chatter
« Reply #65 on: June 19, 2015, 10:55:14 PM »

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Got to pick him at 16 if we hope to get him in the first.  Thinking we might want to trade up.

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Steve Kyler ?@stevekylerNBA 3h3 hours ago

    Lakers are also trying to move out of the 27 and Boston trying to move out of 28 too... no surprise on either - both covet capspace


Re: Robert Upshaw chatter
« Reply #66 on: June 19, 2015, 11:29:13 PM »

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Steve Kyler ?@stevekylerNBA 3h3 hours ago

"Steve Kyler retweeted Bro Man Frm 5th Flo

I have talked to at least 8 executives who have labeled him and his issues as "undraftable" - he has serious luggage

Steve Kyler added,
Bro Man Frm 5th Flo @iam_MR713
Robert Upshaw goes undrafted? Lol #NotHappening https://twitter.com/stevekylerNBA/status/612044713277976576 …"


He will be lucky to be picked in the 2nd round...

Re: Robert Upshaw chatter
« Reply #67 on: June 19, 2015, 11:35:57 PM »

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Why are his issues being kept at a whisper? I'm surprised the media wouldn't want to leak what they know. Isn't that what they do?
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Re: Robert Upshaw chatter
« Reply #68 on: June 19, 2015, 11:36:06 PM »

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I gave you all tp's for remembering sound draft advice. I figure eventually you will come to agree with me.

Re: Robert Upshaw chatter
« Reply #69 on: June 19, 2015, 11:40:16 PM »

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I gave you all tp's for remembering sound draft advice. I figure eventually you will come to agree with me.

TP for taking it like a champ.

Re: Robert Upshaw chatter
« Reply #70 on: June 20, 2015, 12:21:16 AM »

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Based on the workout video below, you can't really blame others to be enamoured with him to the point where they are Ok with the Celtics picking him @ 16. But I'd rather trust on what the majority are saying especially so if there's a consensus on the risks involved. I'd rather take Brad Steven's approach though, never too high, never too low - pick him @ 33.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5vOZho1YuM

Re: Robert Upshaw chatter
« Reply #71 on: June 20, 2015, 01:22:02 AM »

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Based on the workout video below, you can't really blame others to be enamoured with him to the point where they are Ok with the Celtics picking him @ 16. But I'd rather trust on what the majority are saying especially so if there's a consensus on the risks involved. I'd rather take Brad Steven's approach though, never too high, never too low - pick him @ 33.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5vOZho1YuM
I just don't believe a team in the 20's won't be happy to pick him. People are concerned with the guaranteed money but with the cap going up its not that big of a deal, imo. But I want great value so if we do get him with the 28th or 33rd pick I would be ecstatic, and it would be excellent value .

Re: Robert Upshaw chatter
« Reply #72 on: June 20, 2015, 01:40:12 AM »

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anyone that thinks this  guy will be available at 28 must be smoking whatever he smoked in Washington.

Re: Robert Upshaw chatter
« Reply #73 on: June 20, 2015, 01:59:35 AM »

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Based on the workout video below, you can't really blame others to be enamoured with him to the point where they are Ok with the Celtics picking him @ 16. But I'd rather trust on what the majority are saying especially so if there's a consensus on the risks involved. I'd rather take Brad Steven's approach though, never too high, never too low - pick him @ 33.

I just don't believe a team in the 20's won't be happy to pick him. People are concerned with the guaranteed money but with the cap going up its not that big of a deal, imo. But I want great value so if we do get him with the 28th or 33rd pick I would be ecstatic, and it would be excellent value .

IMO The guaranteed money issue is not being brought up because of the cap hit, but mainly because of the possible effect it would have on Upshaw motivation-wise.

Re: Robert Upshaw chatter
« Reply #74 on: June 20, 2015, 02:30:10 AM »

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anyone that thinks this  guy will be available at 28 must be smoking whatever he smoked in Washington.
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   Every mock you look at that had him in the first has dropped him in the second, not one of those had him earlier than the mid twenties. He's had to postpone all of his workouts since the issue with his heart, it just not looking good. This team needs a player like him, I get it, but no other team's fans sing his praise like Celtics fans. He's starting to become way too overhyped, he wasn't even the block leader in his conference or a top five rebounder.