sry he is a 3+d role player with a 1 dribble jumper . Other than that tell me what he does above average ?
He can't create offense, and has 2 shots he is decent at 3pt shooting and long 2 pt shots )
He can't get to the rim, doesn't have a floater ,
Again, Bradley averaged 17 Points Per 36 while shooting 39% from three. This year he averaged around 16 Points Per 36 while shooting around 35% from three.
That's two seasons in a row that Bradley has put up Tobias Harris type scoring numbers - the type of numbers you expect from a #3 scoring option on a 3rd of 4th seed Eastern Conference playoff team.
Look at all of the Eastern Conference Playoff teams this year - outside of Cleveland (obviously) and maybe Chicago, which of those teams had a #3 scoring option who averaged significantly better than 17 points per 36 on 35%-39% three point shooting?
I'd say not many.
Avery Bradley is by no means an elite scorer - he's not a guy who can carry a team night in, night out with his scoring because he's just not skilled or consistent enough. He is, however, a good offensive player and a pretty capable scorer.
Again, you just don't put up 17 Pts Per 36 on 44% / 39% / 80% shooting as a guard in this league unless you're a pretty capable scorer. NBA defense is not that forgiving.
can't guard legit guards with 6'5 or taller,
His defensive efforts against Dwyane Wade (back when Wade was in his prime) would suggest otherwise. If you check Wade's college measurements he's 6'5" and 220 pounds with around a 6'10" wingspan and (in his prime) elite athleticism.
Most Cetics fans will probably recall that Bradley gave Wade a LOT trouble in a past matchups.
is a turnover machine if he takes more than 1 or 2 dribbles , can't pass .
If you use the term 'turnover machine' in connection with Avery Bradley in any possible way, then you immediately lose all credibility by jumping on the 'make up random crap to diss Bradley' bandwagon that so many CB people love to jump on.
With the exception of his rookie year (where he barely played and was incredibly raw) Bradley has never averaged more than 2 Turnovers Per 36 Minutes in his entire career. Over the past three seasons he averaged 1.8, 1.9 and 1.6 TO Per 36. Those are VERY low numbers for a starting guard who is a #2 scoring option for his team, and who has the ball in his hands as often as Bradley does.
Bradley is needs to improve his passing and ball handling to elevate his game to the next level, we all know that. But labeling him as a turnover machine is just plain wrong. His career TO rate (which measures turnovers relative to the number of possessions a player has) of 11.1% is actually extremely good, as can be seen via the link below:
http://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/tov_pct_career.html
Bradley's career number of 11.1% is on par with Danny Granger, who ranks who ranks top 80 all-time) in turnover percentage.
His numbers over the past two seasons (9.9 and 9.4) are exceptional and up there with some of the very lowest numbers in history.
Avery Bradley turnovers are dramatically overblown based on the fact that most of the time when he DOES turn the ball over, it's due to unforced error - a bad dribble, a bad pass, etc. Because of that every time he makes a turnover, it stands out more than with other guys. However if you actually really watch him play and look at the NUMBER of turnovers he gets, it's actually extremely low.
If you want to use the term ' Turnover machine' that you should save that for somebody like Evan Turner, who's turnover percentage of 19.7% is just downright frightening.
We can easily replace him through free agency or trades .
Avery Bradley is:
1) A former All-Defensive team selection and top 12 defender at his position (according to Defensive RPM stat)
2) Averaged 16 Point Per 36 on 43% / 35% / 79% shooting
3) Averaged only 1.6 Turnovers Per 36 on a turnover rate of 9.6%
4) Averaged 3.5 Rebounds Per 36
5) Is an excellent-to-elite athletic
6) Is 6'3" with a 6'7" wingspan
7) Is 24.2 years old
Off you go, find me a player we can gain (either through trade or free agency) who you believe we have a legit ability to acquire and who can meet or exceed all of the above criteria.
In fact since you said easily acquire, find me five.
Danny Green
Afflalo
wes Matthews
all could easily replace bradley and probably be an upgrade this off-season
Just off the top of my head.
I am not saying Bradley is a bad player , he is just a bench player IMO and too limited offensively and too undersized defensively to be a starter on a contending team .
plus you have to take the free throw shooting for what it is, he averages 1 ft attempt per game for his career.
All of them older... 3.5-5 years older.
All of them potentially will be more expensive than Bradley.
Matthews will be 29 by the start of the season, and and teared his Achilles tendon. Is that someone you want to invest in?
Afflalo had quite a down year last season, worse than Bradley and having a good role in Portland, he'll be 30 by the start of the season. Not sure that's where I want to look for. Though it's a good fallback option if you manage to bring in other talent by trading Bradley. But even so...
Green, will be 28 by the start of the season and his success with the Spurs will surely find him getting a pretty good contract somewhere. I'd honestly would be very very very cautious of throwing money at him. He seems to me like the player that has benefited a great deal from Pop's great system, and I think if he leaves that environment he'll find himself struggling. That's my opinion though. But certainly an option like explained with Afflalo if you manage to get value for Bradley.
Of course, the old important factor of these players actually wanting to come here... and the aforementioned price tag, all potentially more expensive than Bradley (who's locked in on a [dang] good contract for a few years more).
All in all, the only player of those 3 that I might be tempted by would be Matthews, but the Achilles tendon is a no-go for me, and I think his price tag will be quite steep as well.
Younger doesn't always mean better. You're thinking way too much about age and who the younger player is.
Also, I'd rather have Green, Afflalo and especially Wes Matthews over Bradley.
Players do recover from injuries and personally, I have no reason to believe Matthews won't be 100 percent come opening night.
I am just not a big Bradley fan. He improved his shot this year but is still to streaky for me and was awful in the playoffs. We need a more consistent shooter.
Where did I insinuate that younger meant better? Nowhere. But if you had to choose from comparable players between the older and the younger player, the younger player is the way to go. And if the improvement is marginal, the younger player is usually still the right call particularly for a team in our current stage.
I think I did a good job illustrating that my main reservations were financial and health wise, and I think you're downplaying A LOT the potential repercussions of a torn Achilles tendon, recovery from that type of injury are not all that good and from those who have managed to recover have had lingering problems.
As for Afflalo, as I mentioned he was worse than Bradley last year AND older. The only interest you might have for him is a personal dislike for Bradley because it makes no sense, chances are slim that he'll return to the effectiveness he had previously.
As for Green, I already mentioned my reservations with him, nothing to do with age.
Age is a factor, which is why it's worth mentioning for a team that it's in our current rebuilding stage, but there are other major concerns I have from all those 3 candidates including price tag and injuries and confidence in future performance to go with it.
And last but not least, their interest in actually coming here...
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