Chad Ford tweets about CHA as a possible Celtics trade partner with CBlog's KO

[Ilikesports17]

If we could get 9 without giving up any AB or IT or a Brooklyn pick that would be great.

If their fascination with Hunter is for real could 16 and Zeller get it done?

Vonleh, Hawes, Jefferson, Zeller, Marvin Williams, possibly Biyombo if they re-sign him - they don't need another big.

I forgot about Hawes and Williams.

Do you see any way we could get pick 9 from them without giving up AB, IT, Smart, or Brooklyn 2016?

[Csfan1984]

If we could get 9 without giving up any AB or IT or a Brooklyn pick that would be great.

If their fascination with Hunter is for real could 16 and Zeller get it done?

Vonleh, Hawes, Jefferson, Zeller, Marvin Williams, possibly Biyombo if they re-sign him - they don't need another big.

Vonleh injury prone already, Hawes unreliable, Marvin is a shell of a shell, AL and Bismack FAs. They could use another big.

[Csfan1984]

They want Avery Bradley. Right when the trade happened I said we should trade with them to get Turner. 
IDK why I am angry right now. This Chad ford thing is news I wanted t hear, maybe cuz I jumped on it before most and I see people trying to trade for Kaminsky? Wow.

Next years draft class is loaded with 3's. Lets get Turner and draft Upshaw later in the round. Thats a good haul for us and we will be ready for next years draft.

Next year is also loaded with Centers.

[Ilikesports17]

They want Avery Bradley. Right when the trade happened I said we should trade with them to get Turner. 
IDK why I am angry right now. This Chad ford thing is news I wanted t hear, maybe cuz I jumped on it before most and I see people trying to trade for Kaminsky? Wow.

Next years draft class is loaded with 3's. Lets get Turner and draft Upshaw later in the round. Thats a good haul for us and we will be ready for next years draft.

Next year is also loaded with Centers.

This years draft was also "loaded with centers" then it turned out that there were 2 elite centers going in the top 2, a nutcase and a 1 dimensional defense only athlete. Only one of which could we draft at our slot (him being the nutcase).

I hate when people look to drafts this far ahead, I know there is one poster who ends just about all his posts with "then next year take Brandon Ingram" We have no idea how next year will shape up. will we make the playoffs? will we suck? will the nets suck? will these hyped wings live up to the hype? will they all declare for the draft? will there be injury issues?

Maybe Ingram will tear an ACL maybe he will stay in college maybe he will go in the top 3 and we wont get him, maybe he will get to college and become Lebryan Nash or Cliff Alexander.

I mean when we moved on from the big 3 there were people saying "just get Wiggins next year, then Okafor after that, then rebuild around Rondo Wiggins Green Sully/KO Okafor."

[Endless Paradise]

If we could get 9 without giving up any AB or IT or a Brooklyn pick that would be great.

If their fascination with Hunter is for real could 16 and Zeller get it done?

Vonleh, Hawes, Jefferson, Zeller, Marvin Williams, possibly Biyombo if they re-sign him - they don't need another big.

Vonleh injury prone already, Hawes unreliable, Marvin is a shell of a shell, AL and Bismack FAs. They could use another big.

Vonleh has been in the league one whole year and suffered one injury. Unless you also think Marcus Smart is "injury prone already" because he missed extended time with an ankle sprain, he's not injury prone.
Hawes had one down year that was anomalous to the rest of his career.
Again, Al Jefferson isn't a free agent - he's opting in.

Cody Zeller, Hawes, Vonleh, and Jefferson is already a four-big rotation without adding Tyler Zeller to the mix.

[Csfan1984]

If we could get 9 without giving up any AB or IT or a Brooklyn pick that would be great.

If their fascination with Hunter is for real could 16 and Zeller get it done?

Vonleh, Hawes, Jefferson, Zeller, Marvin Williams, possibly Biyombo if they re-sign him - they don't need another big.

Vonleh injury prone already, Hawes unreliable, Marvin is a shell of a shell, AL and Bismack FAs. They could use another big.

Vonleh has been in the league one whole year and suffered one injury. Unless you also think Marcus Smart is "injury prone already" because he missed extended time with an ankle sprain, he's not injury prone.
Hawes had one down year that was anomalous to the rest of his career.
Again, Al Jefferson isn't a free agent - he's opting in.

Cody Zeller, Hawes, Vonleh, and Jefferson is already a four-big rotation without adding Tyler Zeller to the mix.

AL is opting in is news to me. Hawes has always be unreliable every team that brings him in gets less than they hoped for excluding contract year. Vonleh had two issues though he battle through one he was effected. You need five big men in the NBA

[Csfan1984]

They want Avery Bradley. Right when the trade happened I said we should trade with them to get Turner. 
IDK why I am angry right now. This Chad ford thing is news I wanted t hear, maybe cuz I jumped on it before most and I see people trying to trade for Kaminsky? Wow.

Next years draft class is loaded with 3's. Lets get Turner and draft Upshaw later in the round. Thats a good haul for us and we will be ready for next years draft.

Next year is also loaded with Centers.

This years draft was also "loaded with centers" then it turned out that there were 2 elite centers going in the top 2, a nutcase and a 1 dimensional defense only athlete. Only one of which could we draft at our slot (him being the nutcase).

I hate when people look to drafts this far ahead, I know there is one poster who ends just about all his posts with "then next year take Brandon Ingram" We have no idea how next year will shape up. will we make the playoffs? will we suck? will the nets suck? will these hyped wings live up to the hype? will they all declare for the draft? will there be injury issues?

Maybe Ingram will tear an ACL maybe he will stay in college maybe he will go in the top 3 and we wont get him, maybe he will get to college and become Lebryan Nash or Cliff Alexander.

I mean when we moved on from the big 3 there were people saying "just get Wiggins next year, then Okafor after that, then rebuild around Rondo Wiggins Green Sully/KO Okafor."

My Centers talk was in fairness to his SF talk. And Wiggins and Okafor were good calls. The team just didn't tank or luck out to get them.

[Endless Paradise]

If we could get 9 without giving up any AB or IT or a Brooklyn pick that would be great.

If their fascination with Hunter is for real could 16 and Zeller get it done?

Vonleh, Hawes, Jefferson, Zeller, Marvin Williams, possibly Biyombo if they re-sign him - they don't need another big.

Vonleh injury prone already, Hawes unreliable, Marvin is a shell of a shell, AL and Bismack FAs. They could use another big.

Vonleh has been in the league one whole year and suffered one injury. Unless you also think Marcus Smart is "injury prone already" because he missed extended time with an ankle sprain, he's not injury prone.
Hawes had one down year that was anomalous to the rest of his career.
Again, Al Jefferson isn't a free agent - he's opting in.

Cody Zeller, Hawes, Vonleh, and Jefferson is already a four-big rotation without adding Tyler Zeller to the mix.

AL is opting in is news to me. Hawes has always be unreliable every team that brings him in gets less than they hoped for excluding contract year. Vonleh had two issues though he battle through one he was effected. You need five big men in the NBA

Hawes is a perfectly average big in the NBA. Before this year, his PER has hovered around 15, aka exactly the league average. You're grossly overstating how bad he is just because he had one bad year in Los Angeles.

Neither Hawes nor Stephenson are as bad as they performed this year.

And what was the second issue Vonleh suffered? The only injury I know of is the hernia he had surgery for. He didn't play much once he healed because Clifford kept a tight rotation and didn't give rookies much playing time.

And what teams do you know regularly play five bigs? Most teams go three deep, possibly four. As an emergency, they already have Marvin Williams as a fifth big. There's no point in acquiring Tyler Zeller because that just gives them a second big they'll have to not play. Hawes is a better player than Tyler Zeller and they should be giving more preference to developing Cody Zeller and Noah Vonleh than taking on another big.

[86MaxwellSmart]

if Ainge somehow trades up for #9....maybe then, that allows him to move up and grab #4 from the Knicks....we got chips.

[jpotter33]

I think someone else has already mentioned this, but what about something like Young, 28, and 33 for 9? If they're looking for a shooter, that's exactly what they'd get in Young, and he would seemingly be a good fit with size at the 2 next to the defensive-minded, non-shooter in MKG. Not sure that it would be enough, but having 9 and 16 could help us move up farther or get two decent prospects. My dream scenario for those two picks would be for WCS and Booker to fall to 9 and 16 respectively.

[danglertx]

Just my opinion here but I think Portis has as good or better of a chance to be a good to great pro as anyone we'd get at #9.  The two players I think have the best chance to be solid NBA pros are Anderson and Portis after about pick 4 or 5. 

I think in 5 yrs people will be saying, "can you believe Portis was drafted 11 picks after WCS?"

[Endless Paradise]

The thing with Young is he hasn't shown he is a viable NBA player yet. Let's flip the scenario: let's say the Celtics had the ninth pick in the draft. Would you be interested in trading all the way down from the ninth pick to the 28th if the Hornets also included P.J. Hairston in the deal? It's largely the same thing.

[CFAN38]

I made a separate Post about this but seems fitting here. I think a trade moving the Cs from #16 to #9 would have to involve a 3rd team. The bobcats are going to want a wing who can contribute right away and shoot. Now maybe this means the Cs move AB but I really doubt it. I think this makes more sense as a 3 team deal where the Cs send KO or Sully to a team in return for a wing player and package that wing and #16 to get #9. At #9 I would expect the Cs to be looking at Herzonja or Johnson.

The examples I used in my trade topic post where Sully or KO to Denver for Chandler or Toronto for Ross.

I could then see #28 and #33 packaged to move up for the best PF possible. My guess would be into the #19-#23 range to grab Harrell unless Portis, Lyles or Looney slide.

[Endless Paradise]

Holy crap, I didn't even realize just how similarly poor rookie campaigns both Young and Hairston had.

Remember, Charlotte's looking for immediate production, not potential.

[spikelovetheCelts]

It's also a reasonable trade if you look at the relative values of picks in Table 2 of the analysis done by 82games in the link below.

I disagree for the simple fact that the market for trading into the lottery has somewhat been set by last year's Chicago-Denver trade. Chicago traded the 16th and 19th picks, a second rounder in this year's draft, and took on a salary dump in exchange for the 11th pick. You're advocating getting an even higher pick with even worse draft picks and no kind of salary relief for the Hornets; it just doesn't seem realistic.

You can argue that this year's picks might be weighed differently due to the perceived inferior depth of the draft compared to last year, but I just don't see it happening. The 2013 draft was projected as one of the worst in years and it took the 14th and 21st picks to jump to 9th. In other words, even for a bad draft in 2013, getting the same pick you're coveting required a lottery pick and a higher non-lottery pick (21st vs. 28th). There's arguably not much difference between the 14th and 16th picks; there's considerably more difference between a mid-late pick in the 21st and an end-of-the-round pick in the 28th. For a draft that, although not as heralded as last year's, also is largely seen as better than the 2013 draft, that difference is magnified even more so.

(I'm not focusing on the second rounder you're throwing in because a] second rounders can easily be purchased, especially one as late as the 45th pick and b] the Hornets aren't exactly starved for draft picks. The second rounder is largely of no consequence.)

To jump so high in the draft using relatively mediocre assets and providing no further incentive to the team with the better pick is unprecedented; seriously, you can't find a deal like that ever happening. Basically, unless you're offering a real player to Charlotte and/or offering to take unwanted money off their hands, I wouldn't expect them to take that deal. Lottery picks are a lot more valuable than that.

There are different reasons for giving up more. Chicago was trying to win this year and like Cleveland Gave up 2 first round picks for Mosgov to win this year.

The Hornets have made many mistakes and they will probably do it again.
They drafted Gilchrist at 2 and Adam Morrison at 3. Zeller over Noel. Ainge is way better than Charolette at picking players. They would give up more to get less in my opinion.