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I really hope we move up.  The main reason is I think that the draft order is going to get silly.  There is a real chance that people start picking wonky early (Rusell @ 2, Porzingis @ 3, Trey Lyles @ 7, Cameron Payne top 10, etc) and it will mess up the other teams.  Someone could really fall.  I am seeing Mudiay going 5th in some places, Stanley Johnson going outside the top 9, WCS going 9th, etc.  If we can move up we should absolutely do so. 

If Stanley Johnson, Mario Hezonja or WCS fall to 9 and we could move up with Kelly and 16, then come on we have to do it. We'd essentially have made the playoffs and gotten a lotto pick last year.  Best of both worlds.

Good post. I guess it really depends on if those 3 guys are available.

I'm not convinced that Johnson will be a better player than Justin Anderson.

You should be convinced. My god, people love Anderson here.

Anderson is a beast
Anderson did not show the ability to create for himself and others as a Junior. Stanley Johnson showed that as a freshman.

Surprised so many people love Anderson. I wouldn't be happy if we took him at 16.

Able to create a shot is just one quality. Anthony Morrow can create. But what else??

You guard sj  a little closer. Guard his shot bc he will have a tough time finishing near the basket

Anderson is a much more explosive athlete than sj. He will have diff kinds of adv  on a more open nba court. Better shooter than SJ also

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I really hope we move up.  The main reason is I think that the draft order is going to get silly.  There is a real chance that people start picking wonky early (Rusell @ 2, Porzingis @ 3, Trey Lyles @ 7, Cameron Payne top 10, etc) and it will mess up the other teams.  Someone could really fall.  I am seeing Mudiay going 5th in some places, Stanley Johnson going outside the top 9, WCS going 9th, etc.  If we can move up we should absolutely do so. 

If Stanley Johnson, Mario Hezonja or WCS fall to 9 and we could move up with Kelly and 16, then come on we have to do it. We'd essentially have made the playoffs and gotten a lotto pick last year.  Best of both worlds.

Good post. I guess it really depends on if those 3 guys are available.

I'm not convinced that Johnson will be a better player than Justin Anderson.

You should be convinced. My god, people love Anderson here.

Anderson is a beast
Anderson did not show the ability to create for himself and others as a Junior. Stanley Johnson showed that as a freshman.

Surprised so many people love Anderson. I wouldn't be happy if we took him at 16.

Able to create a shot is just one quality. Anthony Morrow can create. But what else??

You guard sj  a little closer. Guard his shot bc he will have a tough time finishing near the basket

Anderson is a much more explosive athlete than sj. He will have diff kinds of adv  on a more open nba court. Better shooter than SJ also
Johnson already has NBA size and strength while figuring to get even bigger.  He's regarded as the better defender already. 

you have a serious bias towards 'athletes' over 'players'.  I'd rather have a guy that knows how to play the game and can improve over a guy whose main attribute is that he's athletic.  Kedrick Brown, JR Giddens, Gerald Green, JJJ and Fab were all very athletic and it didn't get them anywhere.

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Interesting.
#16 #28 and #45 for #9.
Hopefully we can get Johnson.

Seems like a lot to give up to move up seven positions, especially if we still can't get the big.  I think I start at 16 and Young (last year's 17).  A lot of Mock's have them looking at Booker, so offer up a shooter.

Then I look at Trey Lyles who I believe will be better than Turner.
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I really hope we move up.  The main reason is I think that the draft order is going to get silly.  There is a real chance that people start picking wonky early (Rusell @ 2, Porzingis @ 3, Trey Lyles @ 7, Cameron Payne top 10, etc) and it will mess up the other teams.  Someone could really fall.  I am seeing Mudiay going 5th in some places, Stanley Johnson going outside the top 9, WCS going 9th, etc.  If we can move up we should absolutely do so. 

If Stanley Johnson, Mario Hezonja or WCS fall to 9 and we could move up with Kelly and 16, then come on we have to do it. We'd essentially have made the playoffs and gotten a lotto pick last year.  Best of both worlds.

Good post. I guess it really depends on if those 3 guys are available.

I'm not convinced that Johnson will be a better player than Justin Anderson.

You should be convinced. My god, people love Anderson here.

Anderson is a beast
Anderson did not show the ability to create for himself and others as a Junior. Stanley Johnson showed that as a freshman.

Surprised so many people love Anderson. I wouldn't be happy if we took him at 16.

Able to create a shot is just one quality. Anthony Morrow can create. But what else??

You guard sj  a little closer. Guard his shot bc he will have a tough time finishing near the basket

Anderson is a much more explosive athlete than sj. He will have diff kinds of adv  on a more open nba court. Better shooter than SJ also
Johnson already has NBA size and strength while figuring to get even bigger.  He's regarded as the better defender already. 

you have a serious bias towards 'athletes' over 'players'.  I'd rather have a guy that knows how to play the game and can improve over a guy whose main attribute is that he's athletic.  Kedrick Brown, JR Giddens, Gerald Green, JJJ and Fab were all very athletic and it didn't get them anywhere.

Brown could not shoot. Just an athlete masked as a basketball player. Giddens was a 2nd round pick pretty much. Bad risk pickup. Again could not shoot.  GG is a bad example bc look at him now. JJJ again was a near 2nd round talent.

Fab Melo was a smooth athlete and a dummy. If he was explosive as drummond he would be in the league today probably

I like athletes but they have to know how to play. When you have an athlete that can shoot the ball and has a good feel for the game like anderson that is a very nick package.


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Slamtheking also if you say im biased only towards athletic players, i should be in love with RHJ.

But im not. Not with picking him at 16. He cant shoot and plays out of control at times. If he slips to 28 im all for grabbing him though

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I really hope we move up.  The main reason is I think that the draft order is going to get silly.  There is a real chance that people start picking wonky early (Rusell @ 2, Porzingis @ 3, Trey Lyles @ 7, Cameron Payne top 10, etc) and it will mess up the other teams.  Someone could really fall.  I am seeing Mudiay going 5th in some places, Stanley Johnson going outside the top 9, WCS going 9th, etc.  If we can move up we should absolutely do so. 

If Stanley Johnson, Mario Hezonja or WCS fall to 9 and we could move up with Kelly and 16, then come on we have to do it. We'd essentially have made the playoffs and gotten a lotto pick last year.  Best of both worlds.

Good post. I guess it really depends on if those 3 guys are available.

I'm not convinced that Johnson will be a better player than Justin Anderson.

You should be convinced. My god, people love Anderson here.

Anderson is a beast
Anderson did not show the ability to create for himself and others as a Junior. Stanley Johnson showed that as a freshman.

Surprised so many people love Anderson. I wouldn't be happy if we took him at 16.

Able to create a shot is just one quality. Anthony Morrow can create. But what else??

You guard sj  a little closer. Guard his shot bc he will have a tough time finishing near the basket

Anderson is a much more explosive athlete than sj. He will have diff kinds of adv  on a more open nba court. Better shooter than SJ also
Anthony Morrow can not create. He is strictly a spot up shooter. I understand your point, but you should have used a different example. In general players that can defend several positions and create their own shots are really successful in the NBA. Where guys who can only score off ball movement or their teammates penetration usually need the right situation to succeed. When the C's offense bogged down, it was because they lacked offensive creators. Offensive creators will always have more value than 3 and d guys.

He had a tough time finishing at the basket in his freshman year in college. This doesn't mean that long term it will be a problem. He didn't get a ton of rise in college but during an interview he said his trainers had noticed an area of weakness in his legs that he can correct and gain a lot on his vertical. Having never done strength training until college, I think that under an NBA training staff he will develop better vertical explosion. As to the other facets which athleticism is judged by, he has them all, he is big, strong and quick.

 I understand your proclivity for athletes, because athletes often have a higher upside. I just think you are wildly underrating Stanley Johnson's athleticism.

Anderson was a significantly less explosive athlete before this year. He really trained hard in the offseason and improved to the point he is now a great athlete. Comparing his athleticism after working on a strength program for three years, to Johnson's athleticism after his freshman year.

As to creating being only one quality. Stanley Johnson has the tools to be an elite defender, guard multiple positions, and be a plus rebounder for his position. He is not just an offensive spark plug but a guy who has a chance to be an elite well rounded player.
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To be fair, Morrow's game has been underrated. He's obviously no Kevin Durant or Russell Westbrook, but he's also no Steve Novak. Morrow's flashed some ability to create his own shots, especially in this past injury-plagued season for OKC. But yes, by and large, he's more of a spot-up shooter.

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Slamtheking also if you say im biased only towards athletic players, i should be in love with RHJ.

But im not. Not with picking him at 16. He cant shoot and plays out of control at times. If he slips to 28 im all for grabbing him though
fair enough.  but, from my personal viewpoint, when you state why you prefer certain players over others, you almost always use athleticism as a basis for that preference.  If that's not what you're trying to convey, please offer other reasons to go with the athleticism argument.

you obviously watch and study these college kids quite a bit and mention guys most of us here wouldn't have heard of which is swell but it just seems like you focus on athletes more than players. 

as for the Gerald Green rebuttal above, are you really saying he was a good pick based on him being in the league now when he took so many years to get his act together?  The sharks are already starting to circle James Young here and he wasn't as highly regarded as Green.  No way Green wouldn't have been blasted here for such a slow development and Danny would really been crucified for picking him. 

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I could see AB and Zeller for 9. They dumped Lance then Henderson, Mo, Maxiell, Big AL and Bismack are FAs. They should want a established SG and a Big so they can focus on resigning Big AL only.

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Jefferson's opted in for next year; he's not going to be a free agent.

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I could see AB and Zeller for 9. They dumped Lance then Henderson, Mo, Maxiell, Big AL and Bismack are FAs. They should want a established SG and a Big so they can focus on resigning Big AL only.

Don't they already have one Zeller? Why do they need another one?

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If we could get 9 without giving up any AB or IT or a Brooklyn pick that would be great.

If their fascination with Hunter is for real could 16 and Zeller get it done?

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They want Avery Bradley. Right when the trade happened I said we should trade with them to get Turner. 
IDK why I am angry right now. This Chad ford thing is news I wanted t hear, maybe cuz I jumped on it before most and I see people trying to trade for Kaminsky? Wow.

Next years draft class is loaded with 3's. Lets get Turner and draft Upshaw later in the round. Thats a good haul for us and we will be ready for next years draft.

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If we could get 9 without giving up any AB or IT or a Brooklyn pick that would be great.

If their fascination with Hunter is for real could 16 and Zeller get it done?

Vonleh, Hawes, Jefferson, Zeller, Marvin Williams, possibly Biyombo if they re-sign him - they don't need another big.

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I could see AB and Zeller for 9. They dumped Lance then Henderson, Mo, Maxiell, Big AL and Bismack are FAs. They should want a established SG and a Big so they can focus on resigning Big AL only.

Don't they already have one Zeller? Why do they need another one?
Other Z is a PF. If they lose Bismack they need a backup Center. Hawes isn't reliable and Zeller is way more efficient.