Chad Ford tweets about CHA as a possible Celtics trade partner with CBlog's KO

[Endless Paradise]

There's no hard-fast rule, no, but there's certainly trends. And one trend that's easily identifiable is that no top 10 draft pick has been acquired in recent seasons for a mid-first rounder and really late-first rounder.

[GryphMinuteMan]

I really hope we move up.  The main reason is I think that the draft order is going to get silly.  There is a real chance that people start picking wonky early (Rusell @ 2, Porzingis @ 3, Trey Lyles @ 7, Cameron Payne top 10, etc) and it will mess up the other teams.  Someone could really fall.  I am seeing Mudiay going 5th in some places, Stanley Johnson going outside the top 9, WCS going 9th, etc.  If we can move up we should absolutely do so. 

If Stanley Johnson, Mario Hezonja or WCS fall to 9 and we could move up with Kelly and 16, then come on we have to do it. We'd essentially have made the playoffs and gotten a lotto pick last year.  Best of both worlds.

Good post. I guess it really depends on if those 3 guys are available.

[clover]

I really hope we move up.  The main reason is I think that the draft order is going to get silly.  There is a real chance that people start picking wonky early (Rusell @ 2, Porzingis @ 3, Trey Lyles @ 7, Cameron Payne top 10, etc) and it will mess up the other teams.  Someone could really fall.  I am seeing Mudiay going 5th in some places, Stanley Johnson going outside the top 9, WCS going 9th, etc.  If we can move up we should absolutely do so. 

If Stanley Johnson, Mario Hezonja or WCS fall to 9 and we could move up with Kelly and 16, then come on we have to do it. We'd essentially have made the playoffs and gotten a lotto pick last year.  Best of both worlds.

Good post. I guess it really depends on if those 3 guys are available.

I'm not convinced that Johnson will be a better player than Justin Anderson.

[Boris Badenov]

It's also a reasonable trade if you look at the relative values of picks in Table 2 of the analysis done by 82games in the link below.

I disagree for the simple fact that the market for trading into the lottery has somewhat been set by last year's Chicago-Denver trade. Chicago traded the 16th and 19th picks, a second rounder in this year's draft, and took on a salary dump in exchange for the 11th pick. You're advocating getting an even higher pick with even worse draft picks and no kind of salary relief for the Hornets; it just doesn't seem realistic.

EP is right and there's a simple reason: that "draft pick value" chart ranks *productivity* by draft slot, not *trade value* by draft slot. The two things are completely different.

I've mentioned this before, but they're different simply because you can only have five guys on the court at one time, so two rotation guys just can't be "added up" to equal a star player. It's impossible.

[Tr1boy]

I really hope we move up.  The main reason is I think that the draft order is going to get silly.  There is a real chance that people start picking wonky early (Rusell @ 2, Porzingis @ 3, Trey Lyles @ 7, Cameron Payne top 10, etc) and it will mess up the other teams.  Someone could really fall.  I am seeing Mudiay going 5th in some places, Stanley Johnson going outside the top 9, WCS going 9th, etc.  If we can move up we should absolutely do so. 

If Stanley Johnson, Mario Hezonja or WCS fall to 9 and we could move up with Kelly and 16, then come on we have to do it. We'd essentially have made the playoffs and gotten a lotto pick last year.  Best of both worlds.

Good post. I guess it really depends on if those 3 guys are available.

I'm not convinced that Johnson will be a better player than Justin Anderson.

Same here.

[LGC88]

It's also a reasonable trade if you look at the relative values of picks in Table 2 of the analysis done by 82games in the link below.

I disagree for the simple fact that the market for trading into the lottery has somewhat been set by last year's Chicago-Denver trade. Chicago traded the 16th and 19th picks, a second rounder in this year's draft, and took on a salary dump in exchange for the 11th pick. You're advocating getting an even higher pick with even worse draft picks and no kind of salary relief for the Hornets; it just doesn't seem realistic.

EP is right and there's a simple reason: that "draft pick value" chart ranks *productivity* by draft slot, not *trade value* by draft slot. The two things are completely different.

I've mentioned this before, but they're different simply because you can only have five guys on the court at one time, so two rotation guys just can't be "added up" to equal a star player. It's impossible.

Yes Boris, I have read your post about the difference between NBA draft and other sports draft. It is indeed a valid point.
However in nba, it's about leverage. Maybe we are not the ideal partner for the #9 pick. I mean, I don't think Danny is desperate to draft at this position because Mario (the player he likes) won't be there and WCS probably won't be there either.
If I was Danny I would think that drafting Anderson at #16 or #20 (hypothetically) or giving lot of value to have a guy that might not be a huge upgrade compare to our pick, won't change much.
I'll let Charlotte in their predicament. Maybe they'll have better luck with Atlanta or OKC but the lower they go, the lower the value in return either.
This #9 pick doesn't have much value compare to the #4 to #6.

[tazzmaniac]

It's also a reasonable trade if you look at the relative values of picks in Table 2 of the analysis done by 82games in the link below.

I disagree for the simple fact that the market for trading into the lottery has somewhat been set by last year's Chicago-Denver trade. Chicago traded the 16th and 19th picks, a second rounder in this year's draft, and took on a salary dump in exchange for the 11th pick. You're advocating getting an even higher pick with even worse draft picks and no kind of salary relief for the Hornets; it just doesn't seem realistic.

EP is right and there's a simple reason: that "draft pick value" chart ranks *productivity* by draft slot, not *trade value* by draft slot. The two things are completely different.

I've mentioned this before, but they're different simply because you can only have five guys on the court at one time, so two rotation guys just can't be "added up" to equal a star player. It's impossible.

Yes Boris, I have read your post about the difference between NBA draft and other sports draft. It is indeed a valid point.
However in nba, it's about leverage. Maybe we are not the ideal partner for the #9 pick. I mean, I don't think Danny is desperate to draft at this position because Mario (the player he likes) won't be there and WCS probably won't be there either.
If I was Danny I would think that drafting Anderson at #16 or #20 (hypothetically) or giving lot of value to have a guy that might not be a huge upgrade compare to our pick, won't change much.
I'll let Charlotte in their predicament. Maybe they'll have better luck with Atlanta or OKC but the lower they go, the lower the value in return either.
This #9 pick doesn't have much value compare to the #4 to #6.

What is Charlotte's predicament?  Keep the #9 and get a good prospect?  That's a good predicament to have.  I don't see where we have leverage unless we actually have other interested trade partners (e.g. Detroit or Miami).   

[fairweatherfan]

I don't really have strong opinions on the move up, but I am enjoying how many people are assuming the title means we're talking about trading Olynyk, when it's really about Kevin O'Connor talking with Chad Ford.

Heck there are two KOs in the OP, and neither one is Oly.   

[GryphMinuteMan]

I really hope we move up.  The main reason is I think that the draft order is going to get silly.  There is a real chance that people start picking wonky early (Rusell @ 2, Porzingis @ 3, Trey Lyles @ 7, Cameron Payne top 10, etc) and it will mess up the other teams.  Someone could really fall.  I am seeing Mudiay going 5th in some places, Stanley Johnson going outside the top 9, WCS going 9th, etc.  If we can move up we should absolutely do so. 

If Stanley Johnson, Mario Hezonja or WCS fall to 9 and we could move up with Kelly and 16, then come on we have to do it. We'd essentially have made the playoffs and gotten a lotto pick last year.  Best of both worlds.

Good post. I guess it really depends on if those 3 guys are available.

I'm not convinced that Johnson will be a better player than Justin Anderson.

You should be convinced. My god, people love Anderson here.

[LGC88]

It's also a reasonable trade if you look at the relative values of picks in Table 2 of the analysis done by 82games in the link below.

I disagree for the simple fact that the market for trading into the lottery has somewhat been set by last year's Chicago-Denver trade. Chicago traded the 16th and 19th picks, a second rounder in this year's draft, and took on a salary dump in exchange for the 11th pick. You're advocating getting an even higher pick with even worse draft picks and no kind of salary relief for the Hornets; it just doesn't seem realistic.

EP is right and there's a simple reason: that "draft pick value" chart ranks *productivity* by draft slot, not *trade value* by draft slot. The two things are completely different.

I've mentioned this before, but they're different simply because you can only have five guys on the court at one time, so two rotation guys just can't be "added up" to equal a star player. It's impossible.

Yes Boris, I have read your post about the difference between NBA draft and other sports draft. It is indeed a valid point.
However in nba, it's about leverage. Maybe we are not the ideal partner for the #9 pick. I mean, I don't think Danny is desperate to draft at this position because Mario (the player he likes) won't be there and WCS probably won't be there either.
If I was Danny I would think that drafting Anderson at #16 or #20 (hypothetically) or giving lot of value to have a guy that might not be a huge upgrade compare to our pick, won't change much.
I'll let Charlotte in their predicament. Maybe they'll have better luck with Atlanta or OKC but the lower they go, the lower the value in return either.
This #9 pick doesn't have much value compare to the #4 to #6.

What is Charlotte's predicament?  Keep the #9 and get a good prospect?  That's a good predicament to have.  I don't see where we have leverage unless we actually have other interested trade partners (e.g. Detroit or Miami).

Well, I don't think Danny will give a player that can play nba level just to move up at #9.
Charlotte is apparently high on RJ Hunter. So it's THEIR predicament, not ours. Like we said, there are interesting players for us at #16, we are not desperate to reach #9 because there isn't a player we absolutely want there. So better luck for them with other teams. Or they simply pick RJH at #9

[Tr1boy]

I really hope we move up.  The main reason is I think that the draft order is going to get silly.  There is a real chance that people start picking wonky early (Rusell @ 2, Porzingis @ 3, Trey Lyles @ 7, Cameron Payne top 10, etc) and it will mess up the other teams.  Someone could really fall.  I am seeing Mudiay going 5th in some places, Stanley Johnson going outside the top 9, WCS going 9th, etc.  If we can move up we should absolutely do so. 

If Stanley Johnson, Mario Hezonja or WCS fall to 9 and we could move up with Kelly and 16, then come on we have to do it. We'd essentially have made the playoffs and gotten a lotto pick last year.  Best of both worlds.

Good post. I guess it really depends on if those 3 guys are available.

I'm not convinced that Johnson will be a better player than Justin Anderson.

You should be convinced. My god, people love Anderson here.

Anderson is a beast

[Ilikesports17]

I really hope we move up.  The main reason is I think that the draft order is going to get silly.  There is a real chance that people start picking wonky early (Rusell @ 2, Porzingis @ 3, Trey Lyles @ 7, Cameron Payne top 10, etc) and it will mess up the other teams.  Someone could really fall.  I am seeing Mudiay going 5th in some places, Stanley Johnson going outside the top 9, WCS going 9th, etc.  If we can move up we should absolutely do so. 

If Stanley Johnson, Mario Hezonja or WCS fall to 9 and we could move up with Kelly and 16, then come on we have to do it. We'd essentially have made the playoffs and gotten a lotto pick last year.  Best of both worlds.

Good post. I guess it really depends on if those 3 guys are available.

Well you are garunteed that one of those 3 will be there. Towns, Mudiay, Russell, Mudiay, Winslow Porzingis mke up the top 6, then Turner Johnson WCS  Hezonjaa figure to make up 7-10. At 9 you know 2 will be available.

[Evantime34]

I really hope we move up.  The main reason is I think that the draft order is going to get silly.  There is a real chance that people start picking wonky early (Rusell @ 2, Porzingis @ 3, Trey Lyles @ 7, Cameron Payne top 10, etc) and it will mess up the other teams.  Someone could really fall.  I am seeing Mudiay going 5th in some places, Stanley Johnson going outside the top 9, WCS going 9th, etc.  If we can move up we should absolutely do so. 

If Stanley Johnson, Mario Hezonja or WCS fall to 9 and we could move up with Kelly and 16, then come on we have to do it. We'd essentially have made the playoffs and gotten a lotto pick last year.  Best of both worlds.

Good post. I guess it really depends on if those 3 guys are available.

I'm not convinced that Johnson will be a better player than Justin Anderson.

You should be convinced. My god, people love Anderson here.

Anderson is a beast

Anderson did not show the ability to create for himself and others as a Junior. Stanley Johnson showed that as a freshman.

Surprised so many people love Anderson. I wouldn't be happy if we took him at 16.

[Evantime34]

It's also a reasonable trade if you look at the relative values of picks in Table 2 of the analysis done by 82games in the link below.

I disagree for the simple fact that the market for trading into the lottery has somewhat been set by last year's Chicago-Denver trade. Chicago traded the 16th and 19th picks, a second rounder in this year's draft, and took on a salary dump in exchange for the 11th pick. You're advocating getting an even higher pick with even worse draft picks and no kind of salary relief for the Hornets; it just doesn't seem realistic.

EP is right and there's a simple reason: that "draft pick value" chart ranks *productivity* by draft slot, not *trade value* by draft slot. The two things are completely different.

I've mentioned this before, but they're different simply because you can only have five guys on the court at one time, so two rotation guys just can't be "added up" to equal a star player. It's impossible.

Yes Boris, I have read your post about the difference between NBA draft and other sports draft. It is indeed a valid point.
However in nba, it's about leverage. Maybe we are not the ideal partner for the #9 pick. I mean, I don't think Danny is desperate to draft at this position because Mario (the player he likes) won't be there and WCS probably won't be there either.
If I was Danny I would think that drafting Anderson at #16 or #20 (hypothetically) or giving lot of value to have a guy that might not be a huge upgrade compare to our pick, won't change much.
I'll let Charlotte in their predicament. Maybe they'll have better luck with Atlanta or OKC but the lower they go, the lower the value in return either.
This #9 pick doesn't have much value compare to the #4 to #6.

I agree trade markets are always about leverage. With the quality in the lottery those picks will be in demand. The C's aren't the only team that wants to trade up.

[heyvik]

Ya know what - I'm just happy that there's chatter about the C's and extremely happy that this offseason is by far a LOT more interesting than years past! I LOVE that there's been chatter during early-mid June as opposed to the hours leading up to the draft.