Sources: 76ers center Joel Embiid suffers setback with right foot

[celticsclay]

LarBrd33, now would you admit there is cause for concern? Unless they're still sending smokescreens or Embiid, apparently the ultimate team guy, is willing to sit out the year, under the false pretense of injury, for another high pick.


http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/sixers/20150627_Embiid_s_last_CT_scan_raised_red_flag__Hinkie_says.html

The 76ers are close to making a decision that will dictate center Joel Embiid's immediate and long-term future, general manager Sam Hinkie said in a news conference Friday morning.

Hinkie said that another surgery has not been ruled out as an option, and that he can't see Embiid playing in either of the Sixers' two summer league teams.

Embiid, 21, missed all of what would have been his rookie season after surgery last June to repair the navicular bone in his right foot.

In March, nine months after his injury, Hinkie said Embiid had a CT scan that "looked right on schedule." Embiid started running, playing and doing more by the day, according to Hinkie.

Then Embiid underwent one more MRI as a precaution before summer league play.

"And it just looked different," Hinkie said, dropping his voice. ". . . And so it caused the surgeon to say, 'Well, that's different, that's different. What is that?' So let's get to the bottom of this, and that's the thing we've been working on."

Embiid was the third overall pick in the draft last year after playing one injury-shortened season at Kansas.

"He feels really good. That's part of what makes this - maybe confusing's the right word - confusing for him," Hinkie said, adding that Embiid is symptom-free. "Maybe confusing because he feels great, in fact he says, like, 'I can't believe how good I feel. I felt great for a while.' It seems hard to believe someone could be wrong."

Hinkie said that he had a meeting about Embiid on Friday morning and that the next step is to consult surgeon Robert Anderson in Charlotte, N.C. Hinkie said a decision on Embiid's treatment will include input from Embiid's representatives, the team's performance staff and medical experts.

well if they are sitting him out of summer leagues and the draft is over the smokescreen stuff can be put to rest. I would actually be shocked if he sits out another year. I can't remember a player really every doing that before to start a career.

[Eddie20]

LarBrd33, now would you admit there is cause for concern? Unless they're still sending smokescreens or Embiid, apparently the ultimate team guy, is willing to sit out the year, under the false pretense of injury, for another high pick.


http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/sixers/20150627_Embiid_s_last_CT_scan_raised_red_flag__Hinkie_says.html

The 76ers are close to making a decision that will dictate center Joel Embiid's immediate and long-term future, general manager Sam Hinkie said in a news conference Friday morning.

Hinkie said that another surgery has not been ruled out as an option, and that he can't see Embiid playing in either of the Sixers' two summer league teams.

Embiid, 21, missed all of what would have been his rookie season after surgery last June to repair the navicular bone in his right foot.

In March, nine months after his injury, Hinkie said Embiid had a CT scan that "looked right on schedule." Embiid started running, playing and doing more by the day, according to Hinkie.

Then Embiid underwent one more MRI as a precaution before summer league play.

"And it just looked different," Hinkie said, dropping his voice. ". . . And so it caused the surgeon to say, 'Well, that's different, that's different. What is that?' So let's get to the bottom of this, and that's the thing we've been working on."

Embiid was the third overall pick in the draft last year after playing one injury-shortened season at Kansas.

"He feels really good. That's part of what makes this - maybe confusing's the right word - confusing for him," Hinkie said, adding that Embiid is symptom-free. "Maybe confusing because he feels great, in fact he says, like, 'I can't believe how good I feel. I felt great for a while.' It seems hard to believe someone could be wrong."

Hinkie said that he had a meeting about Embiid on Friday morning and that the next step is to consult surgeon Robert Anderson in Charlotte, N.C. Hinkie said a decision on Embiid's treatment will include input from Embiid's representatives, the team's performance staff and medical experts.

well if they are sitting him out of summer leagues and the draft is over the smokescreen stuff can be put to rest. I would actually be shocked if he sits out another year. I can't remember a player really every doing that before to start a career.

I obviously agree, but I wouldn't put it passed LarBrd to still make the smokescreen suggestion.

[celticsclay]

https://youtu.be/Ik9_kXWL2y8

[Vermont Green]

This is very strange.  Player says foot feels great.  Surgeon says something doesn't look right, something that looked fine in March.

Why not just play him and if the foot blows out again, then have season ending surgery?

I guess if the surgeon says there is a risk not just of re-injury but the whole foot falling off or something, then you have to sit him.  It seems like either way, worst case is he misses another season.

[celticsclay]

This is very strange.  Player says foot feels great.  Surgeon says something doesn't look right, something that looked fine in March.

Why not just play him and if the foot blows out again, then have season ending surgery?

I guess if the surgeon says there is a risk not just of re-injury but the whole foot falling off or something, then you have to sit him.  It seems like either way, worst case is he misses another season.

well obviously the worst case scenario is that it never heals and he is never able to play professional basketball..

[jambr380]

I know it would be great to prove LarBrd wrong  but I genuinely hope for Embiid's sake that his foot heals and he is ready to go. It has to be extremely frustrating for him.

It also may benefit us since the Suxers (legitimate typo, but am leaving it) apparently have interest in Smart and they have three potential star centers on their roster.

[LarBrd33]

LarBrd33, now would you admit there is cause for concern? Unless they're still sending smokescreens or Embiid, apparently the ultimate team guy, is willing to sit out the year, under the false pretense of injury, for another high pick.


http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/sixers/20150627_Embiid_s_last_CT_scan_raised_red_flag__Hinkie_says.html

The 76ers are close to making a decision that will dictate center Joel Embiid's immediate and long-term future, general manager Sam Hinkie said in a news conference Friday morning.

Hinkie said that another surgery has not been ruled out as an option, and that he can't see Embiid playing in either of the Sixers' two summer league teams.

Embiid, 21, missed all of what would have been his rookie season after surgery last June to repair the navicular bone in his right foot.

In March, nine months after his injury, Hinkie said Embiid had a CT scan that "looked right on schedule." Embiid started running, playing and doing more by the day, according to Hinkie.

Then Embiid underwent one more MRI as a precaution before summer league play.

"And it just looked different," Hinkie said, dropping his voice. ". . . And so it caused the surgeon to say, 'Well, that's different, that's different. What is that?' So let's get to the bottom of this, and that's the thing we've been working on."

Embiid was the third overall pick in the draft last year after playing one injury-shortened season at Kansas.

"He feels really good. That's part of what makes this - maybe confusing's the right word - confusing for him," Hinkie said, adding that Embiid is symptom-free. "Maybe confusing because he feels great, in fact he says, like, 'I can't believe how good I feel. I felt great for a while.' It seems hard to believe someone could be wrong."

Hinkie said that he had a meeting about Embiid on Friday morning and that the next step is to consult surgeon Robert Anderson in Charlotte, N.C. Hinkie said a decision on Embiid's treatment will include input from Embiid's representatives, the team's performance staff and medical experts.

well if they are sitting him out of summer leagues and the draft is over the smokescreen stuff can be put to rest. I would actually be shocked if he sits out another year. I can't remember a player really every doing that before to start a career.

Fellas, they still need to find a taker for one of their bigs... and as long as the belief is out there that Embiid could be done for the season, they can continue to pretend like they are perfectly comfortable keeping Okafor and Noel.   As soon as they say "Embiid's fine... dude is 100%... he'll play summer league", people will know that Philly has a little bit of an awkward situation to deal with.   

From that same article:

Embiid has been subjected to routine and regular CT scans and MRIs since the Sixers drafted him. They looked good, Hinkie said, until the pre-summer league check-up suddenly looked "different." That?s the word Hinkie used over and over again. That led to the reevaluation and the late-Saturday evening statement that freaked so many people out. After getting badgered by one reporter (take a guess which one), Hinkie said you can call it a setback if you'd like, but the way the doctors described it to him was that they expected the navicular bone to be ?even more healed? than it is.

The interesting and troubling part: Hinkie said Embiid has no symptoms. No pain. No soreness. It hasn?t bothered him in ?many, many weeks.? It?s just that the CT scan looked different.

"That?s part of what makes this ? maybe confusing is the right word ? confusing for [Embiid], but confusing because he feels great," Hinkie continued. "He says, 'I can?t believe how good I feel. I?ve felt great for a while. It?s hard to believe something could be wrong.'"

So that once again just lends more evidence to my assumption from day 1:  A routine check-up showed less healing than anticipated.  Whatever that means, nobody is confirming.

I'd be "concerned" if they came back and said he needed surgery.  BUt as long as they keep saying he feels 100%, feels no pain... feels physically ready to play... and is spotted dancing at night clubs,  I'll assume he's going to play at the start of the season.  *shrug*

[LarBrd33]

This is very strange.  Player says foot feels great.  Surgeon says something doesn't look right, something that looked fine in March.

Why not just play him and if the foot blows out again, then have season ending surgery?

I guess if the surgeon says there is a risk not just of re-injury but the whole foot falling off or something, then you have to sit him.  It seems like either way, worst case is he misses another season.

well obviously the worst case scenario is that it never heals and he is never able to play professional basketball..

Clay... why would that even be a possibility here?  He has been playing basketball for a couple months.  The dude has been going full-tilt.  He feels 100%.  He feels no pain.  He himself thinks he's ready.   The worst-case scenario is that they go, "Well... ok... you feel 100%, but the CT scan shows you'll never be 100%..."  At that point are you expecting him to never play basketball?  That doesn't make any sense.    Everything I've read about the guy is that he can play basketball right now.  He's in game shape RIGHT NOW.   The risk is re-injury.   

I have a partially torn ACL right now.   I'm not a high end athlete so it's not that huge of a deal.  It doesn't prevent me from jogging.    I could have surgery to fix it.   CT scans would show that I'm not 100%... and probably will never be 100% until I address this... but it's not going to prevent me from light jogging.  I'm taking a risk every day, while light jogging, that my partially torn ACL will turn into a full tear.  That's the risk with me.  But you're suggesting, "well it looks like LarBrd33 might never jog again"... why?  I've been jogging with this partial tear for 10 years.

Embiid feels ready to play basketball.   The CT Scans might show that he isn't fully healed.   There's no chance he'll "never play basketball" unless they decide he has to have ANOTHER surgery to try to fix it 100%... and then that surgery is botched.

My assumption is different than you guys.  My assumption is that Embiid is healthier now than Greg Oden was during his first attempt to come back from injury.  My assumption is that Embiid could suit up right now, play basketball, be effective... but that they want to make [dang] sure this doesn't end up another Greg Oden situation where they let him come back 95% healthy and make an ok situation terrible.  Fwiw, players play with risk every day.  Brandon Roy is a good example... his situation was concerning from day 1 and the inevitable happened... that's why Danny didn't want him when he was drafted.   Ray Allen played several years with screws in his ankles.   Steph Curry has been playing the last several years with papier-mache ankles of his own... but he's managed to have an MVP championship winning season.  There's still risk that Steph blows out his ankles.   

The situation with Embiid might be similar... is there a way to make him 100%... would a smaller corrective surgery help?... can they do something to secure his long-term future?... or does he just need to be one of those guys who plays with risk?   My assumption is that this is what they are discussing with doctors.

[MBunge]

LarBrd33, now would you admit there is cause for concern? Unless they're still sending smokescreens or Embiid, apparently the ultimate team guy, is willing to sit out the year, under the false pretense of injury, for another high pick.


http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/sixers/20150627_Embiid_s_last_CT_scan_raised_red_flag__Hinkie_says.html

The 76ers are close to making a decision that will dictate center Joel Embiid's immediate and long-term future, general manager Sam Hinkie said in a news conference Friday morning.

Hinkie said that another surgery has not been ruled out as an option, and that he can't see Embiid playing in either of the Sixers' two summer league teams.

Embiid, 21, missed all of what would have been his rookie season after surgery last June to repair the navicular bone in his right foot.

In March, nine months after his injury, Hinkie said Embiid had a CT scan that "looked right on schedule." Embiid started running, playing and doing more by the day, according to Hinkie.

Then Embiid underwent one more MRI as a precaution before summer league play.

"And it just looked different," Hinkie said, dropping his voice. ". . . And so it caused the surgeon to say, 'Well, that's different, that's different. What is that?' So let's get to the bottom of this, and that's the thing we've been working on."

Embiid was the third overall pick in the draft last year after playing one injury-shortened season at Kansas.

"He feels really good. That's part of what makes this - maybe confusing's the right word - confusing for him," Hinkie said, adding that Embiid is symptom-free. "Maybe confusing because he feels great, in fact he says, like, 'I can't believe how good I feel. I felt great for a while.' It seems hard to believe someone could be wrong."

Hinkie said that he had a meeting about Embiid on Friday morning and that the next step is to consult surgeon Robert Anderson in Charlotte, N.C. Hinkie said a decision on Embiid's treatment will include input from Embiid's representatives, the team's performance staff and medical experts.

well if they are sitting him out of summer leagues and the draft is over the smokescreen stuff can be put to rest. I would actually be shocked if he sits out another year. I can't remember a player really every doing that before to start a career.

Fellas, they still need to find a taker for one of their bigs... and as long as the belief is out there that Embiid could be done for the season, they can continue to pretend like they are perfectly comfortable keeping Okafor and Noel.   As soon as they say "Embiid's fine... dude is 100%... he'll play summer league", people will know that Philly has a little bit of an awkward situation to deal with.   

From that same article:

Embiid has been subjected to routine and regular CT scans and MRIs since the Sixers drafted him. They looked good, Hinkie said, until the pre-summer league check-up suddenly looked "different." That?s the word Hinkie used over and over again. That led to the reevaluation and the late-Saturday evening statement that freaked so many people out. After getting badgered by one reporter (take a guess which one), Hinkie said you can call it a setback if you'd like, but the way the doctors described it to him was that they expected the navicular bone to be ?even more healed? than it is.

The interesting and troubling part: Hinkie said Embiid has no symptoms. No pain. No soreness. It hasn?t bothered him in ?many, many weeks.? It?s just that the CT scan looked different.

"That?s part of what makes this ? maybe confusing is the right word ? confusing for [Embiid], but confusing because he feels great," Hinkie continued. "He says, 'I can?t believe how good I feel. I?ve felt great for a while. It?s hard to believe something could be wrong.'"

So that once again just lends more evidence to my assumption from day 1:  A routine check-up showed less healing than anticipated.  Whatever that means, nobody is confirming.

I'd be "concerned" if they came back and said he needed surgery.  BUt as long as they keep saying he feels 100%, feels no pain... feels physically ready to play... and is spotted dancing at night clubs,  I'll assume he's going to play at the start of the season.  *shrug*

So it's okay for a Celtic fan to be blindly optimistic...as long as it's about a player on another team?

Mike

[colincb]

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So that once again just lends more evidence to my assumption from day 1:  A routine check-up showed less healing than anticipated.  Whatever that means, nobody is confirming. ...

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It means what it says. And now Embiid's been ruled out of summer league. He's no longer on schedule.

That's a setback.

[Who]

Hinkie pointed out that a year ago, while some had said it would be a 4- to 6-month recovery from surgery to repair the navicular bone in Embiid's right foot, that he had a more conservative estimate, at that time, of up to 8 months.

Embiid had the surgery on June 20, 2014, which makes it more than 12 months and there are still issues

Timetable keeps getting longer and longer ... And there are still problems!

Reminds me a bit of Sam Bowie in Kentucky (who was much more talented than Embiid) and his body just not healing the way doctors thought it should and had to sit out that 2nd year in a row because his body wasn't ready in time. Slow healer.

[Eddie20]

LarBrd33, do you find these statements, that you posted just minutes from each other, contradictory? On one hand, you say that Hinkie is a sneaky GM who is fooling everyone in not revealing Embiid is healthy and playing next weekend in order to not lose leverage in a trade. On the other, you sound as though you concede there is real concern for Embiid's foot and even acknowledge the possibility of him needing surgery again.

Fellas, they still need to find a taker for one of their bigs... and as long as the belief is out there that Embiid could be done for the season, they can continue to pretend like they are perfectly comfortable keeping Okafor and Noel.   As soon as they say "Embiid's fine... dude is 100%... he'll play summer league", people will know that Philly has a little bit of an awkward situation to deal with.

The situation with Embiid might be similar... is there a way to make him 100%... would a smaller corrective surgery help?... can they do something to secure his long-term future?... or does he just need to be one of those guys who plays with risk?   My assumption is that this is what they are discussing with doctors.

[RAAAAAAAANDY]

Hinkie pointed out that a year ago, while some had said it would be a 4- to 6-month recovery from surgery to repair the navicular bone in Embiid's right foot, that he had a more conservative estimate, at that time, of up to 8 months.

Embiid had the surgery on June 20, 2014, which makes it more than 12 months and there are still issues

Timetable keeps getting longer and longer ... And there are still problems!

Reminds me a bit of Sam Bowie in Kentucky (who was much more talented than Embiid) and his body just not healing the way doctors thought it should and had to sit out that 2nd year in a row because his body wasn't ready in time. Slow healer.

You're crazy if you think Sam Bowie was a better prospect than Embiid.

[jambr380]

Hinkie pointed out that a year ago, while some had said it would be a 4- to 6-month recovery from surgery to repair the navicular bone in Embiid's right foot, that he had a more conservative estimate, at that time, of up to 8 months.

Embiid had the surgery on June 20, 2014, which makes it more than 12 months and there are still issues

Timetable keeps getting longer and longer ... And there are still problems!

Reminds me a bit of Sam Bowie in Kentucky (who was much more talented than Embiid) and his body just not healing the way doctors thought it should and had to sit out that 2nd year in a row because his body wasn't ready in time. Slow healer.

You're crazy if you think Sam Bowie was a better prospect than Embiid.

There's always the idea that he was taken with a higher pick than Embiid and, you know, Michael Jordan. I don't really think it is an outlandish statement.

As for Embiid, hopefully he will be ready to play next season. When a player ends up just sucking, that is one thing; however when a player's career goes the way of Oden or Bowie, it just seems unfair.

[cltc5]

This blog was praying to every god known to man last year that this kid fell to us.  Lol.  Don't bel ecw the hype.  That applies to Winslow  this year too.