Russilo's Draft Notes

[Ilikesports17]

Kaminsky to Heat would be interesting. Gives an interesting rotation of Bosh, Whiteside and Kaminsky. SJ would be better though as Deng is kind of old. Booker is a dark horse there as a better backup to Wade is needed.

The Heat usually draft older players, so even if Booker were there, I'd doubt they go that route.

I agree which is why he is a darkhorse. Wonder if Riley would take Turner, Sully and KO for 10. Those guys are better than Kaminsky and Turner is a throw in to help bench as well.

Dragic, Wade, Deng, Bosh, Whiteside
Cole, Turner, Ennis, Sully, KO, Anderson


Nah just wishful thinking they don't want are guys... :-(

I added this above…

I think a good trade for both is for us to trade Suillinger and #16 (Heat take Grant or Dekker) for #10 (we take Johnson or Turner).

Two guys im least excited about.  Seems like you like players that have avg hops or something.

Seems like you have a lot to learn about basketball and think we should fill our roster with 2nd rd talent because they jump high.

naw.  I know what this lineup needs to balance itself out.   Not keep adding not so over the rim type players.

you don't get that everyone else on the team has to work extra hard on the defensive end to prevent their man from having open season under the rim.   Maybe if they don't have to work extra hard, our offense would perform better

 Defense wins championships

So you don't want Stanley Johnson or Myles Turner because they're weak defenders? Are we talking about the same players? Hence as to  why I put their full names.

you will get good effort from Johnson.  But lets not kid ourselves if you think he can handle top sfs like Leonard, Lebron, Durant etc.   Johnson lacks the size, explosiveness, good but not great length to slow these guys down.   Plus is only considered an average shooter.  Had issues finishing around the basket in college, so how do you think he is going to deal with this issue in the nba?

Turner with the length that he has is poor at finishing around the basket .  He has some kind of foot , hip issue will prevent him from being a good perimeter , PNR defender

he has tremendous physical tools here, including great size for his position, a strong frame, solid length, and excellent anticipation skills. Although he wasn't always able to show it alongside Rondae Hollis-Jefferson, Johnson has the potential to guard up to three positions at the NBA level, as he should have no problem bodying up most power forwards thanks to his strength and toughness. He is extremely physical when locked in, displaying tremendous footwork on the perimeter, being capable of hounding smaller perimeter players, and also doing a nice job of getting in the passing lanes—averaging an impressive 2.1 steals per-40 minutes pace adjusted and a decent amount of blocks as well

tipping the scales at a rock solid 243 pounds... He has good length as well, with a 6-11 ½ wingspan, and has a great combination of speed and power

From DraftExpress.com http://www.draftexpress.com/#ixzz3coBKTvIO
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[tazzmaniac]

Kaminsky to Heat would be interesting. Gives an interesting rotation of Bosh, Whiteside and Kaminsky. SJ would be better though as Deng is kind of old. Booker is a dark horse there as a better backup to Wade is needed.

The Heat usually draft older players, so even if Booker were there, I'd doubt they go that route.

I agree which is why he is a darkhorse. Wonder if Riley would take Turner, Sully and KO for 10. Those guys are better than Kaminsky and Turner is a throw in to help bench as well.

Dragic, Wade, Deng, Bosh, Whiteside
Cole, Turner, Ennis, Sully, KO, Anderson


Nah just wishful thinking they don't want are guys... :-(

I added this above…

I think a good trade for both is for us to trade Suillinger and #16 (Heat take Grant or Dekker) for #10 (we take Johnson or Turner).

Two guys im least excited about.  Seems like you like players that have avg hops or something.

Seems like you have a lot to learn about basketball and think we should fill our roster with 2nd rd talent because they jump high.

naw.  I know what this lineup needs to balance itself out.   Not keep adding not so over the rim type players.

you don't get that everyone else on the team has to work extra hard on the defensive end to prevent their man from having open season under the rim.   Maybe if they don't have to work extra hard, our offense would perform better

 Defense wins championships

So you don't want Stanley Johnson or Myles Turner because they're weak defenders? Are we talking about the same players? Hence as to  why I put their full names.

you will get good effort from Johnson.  But lets not kid ourselves if you think he can handle top sfs like Leonard, Lebron, Durant etc.   Johnson lacks the size, explosiveness, good but not great length to slow these guys down.   Plus is only considered an average shooter.  Had issues finishing around the basket in college, so how do you think he is going to deal with this issue in the nba?

Turner with the length that he has is poor at finishing around the basket .  He has some kind of foot , hip issue will prevent him from being a good perimeter , PNR defender

Johnson has NBA size.  Better than Winslow.  Better than Crowder.  He's not an elite athlete but he is a very good one.  Johnson shooting percentages were 47.8/37.1/74.2. So I'd say he is at least an above average shooter especially when you consider his poor percentage at the rim.  As for that, I expect Johnson will finish better at the rim in the NBA.  Arizona's spacing was lousy because of their poor shooters.  Johnson may not be elite at anything but he is very good at a lot of things.  To top it off he just turned 19.  He's got a lot of potential but is also one of the safer picks in the draft.  I'd love for Ainge to trade up to get him.

[Eddie20]

Kaminsky to Heat would be interesting. Gives an interesting rotation of Bosh, Whiteside and Kaminsky. SJ would be better though as Deng is kind of old. Booker is a dark horse there as a better backup to Wade is needed.

The Heat usually draft older players, so even if Booker were there, I'd doubt they go that route.

I agree which is why he is a darkhorse. Wonder if Riley would take Turner, Sully and KO for 10. Those guys are better than Kaminsky and Turner is a throw in to help bench as well.

Dragic, Wade, Deng, Bosh, Whiteside
Cole, Turner, Ennis, Sully, KO, Anderson


Nah just wishful thinking they don't want are guys... :-(

I added this above…

I think a good trade for both is for us to trade Suillinger and #16 (Heat take Grant or Dekker) for #10 (we take Johnson or Turner).

Two guys im least excited about.  Seems like you like players that have avg hops or something.

Seems like you have a lot to learn about basketball and think we should fill our roster with 2nd rd talent because they jump high.

naw.  I know what this lineup needs to balance itself out.   Not keep adding not so over the rim type players.

you don't get that everyone else on the team has to work extra hard on the defensive end to prevent their man from having open season under the rim.   Maybe if they don't have to work extra hard, our offense would perform better

 Defense wins championships

So you don't want Stanley Johnson or Myles Turner because they're weak defenders? Are we talking about the same players? Hence as to  why I put their full names.

you will get good effort from Johnson.  But lets not kid ourselves if you think he can handle top sfs like Leonard, Lebron, Durant etc.   Johnson lacks the size, explosiveness, good but not great length to slow these guys down.   Plus is only considered an average shooter.  Had issues finishing around the basket in college, so how do you think he is going to deal with this issue in the nba?

Turner with the length that he has is poor at finishing around the basket .  He has some kind of foot , hip issue will prevent him from being a good perimeter , PNR defender

Johnson has NBA size.  Better than Winslow.  Better than Crowder.  He's not an elite athlete but he is a very good one.  Johnson shooting percentages were 47.8/37.1/74.2. So I'd say he is at least an above average shooter especially when you consider his poor percentage at the rim.  As for that, I expect Johnson will finish better at the rim in the NBA.  Arizona's spacing was lousy because of their poor shooters.  Johnson may not be elite at anything but he is very good at a lot of things.  To top it off he just turned 19.  He's got a lot of potential but is also one of the safer picks in the draft.  I'd love for Ainge to trade up to get him.

Good post.

Either Triboy doesn't know what he's saying or he's just spewing nonsense to try to rationalize his earlier statements. Johnson is one of the best perimeter defenders in the draft and Turner is one of the best interior defenders (averaged 4.7 BPG per 40 min). Not to mention that both prospects are only 19. Still, he'd prefer to take Mickey, Christmas, and Holmes to either of them, which makes my case of him simply wanting to add second round talent to our team. 

[Tr1boy]

Kaminsky to Heat would be interesting. Gives an interesting rotation of Bosh, Whiteside and Kaminsky. SJ would be better though as Deng is kind of old. Booker is a dark horse there as a better backup to Wade is needed.

The Heat usually draft older players, so even if Booker were there, I'd doubt they go that route.

I agree which is why he is a darkhorse. Wonder if Riley would take Turner, Sully and KO for 10. Those guys are better than Kaminsky and Turner is a throw in to help bench as well.

Dragic, Wade, Deng, Bosh, Whiteside
Cole, Turner, Ennis, Sully, KO, Anderson


Nah just wishful thinking they don't want are guys... :-(

I added this above…

I think a good trade for both is for us to trade Suillinger and #16 (Heat take Grant or Dekker) for #10 (we take Johnson or Turner).

Two guys im least excited about.  Seems like you like players that have avg hops or something.

Seems like you have a lot to learn about basketball and think we should fill our roster with 2nd rd talent because they jump high.

naw.  I know what this lineup needs to balance itself out.   Not keep adding not so over the rim type players.

you don't get that everyone else on the team has to work extra hard on the defensive end to prevent their man from having open season under the rim.   Maybe if they don't have to work extra hard, our offense would perform better

 Defense wins championships

So you don't want Stanley Johnson or Myles Turner because they're weak defenders? Are we talking about the same players? Hence as to  why I put their full names.

you will get good effort from Johnson.  But lets not kid ourselves if you think he can handle top sfs like Leonard, Lebron, Durant etc.   Johnson lacks the size, explosiveness, good but not great length to slow these guys down.   Plus is only considered an average shooter.  Had issues finishing around the basket in college, so how do you think he is going to deal with this issue in the nba?

Turner with the length that he has is poor at finishing around the basket .  He has some kind of foot , hip issue will prevent him from being a good perimeter , PNR defender

Johnson has NBA size.  Better than Winslow.  Better than Crowder.  He's not an elite athlete but he is a very good one.  Johnson shooting percentages were 47.8/37.1/74.2. So I'd say he is at least an above average shooter especially when you consider his poor percentage at the rim.  As for that, I expect Johnson will finish better at the rim in the NBA.  Arizona's spacing was lousy because of their poor shooters.  Johnson may not be elite at anything but he is very good at a lot of things.  To top it off he just turned 19.  He's got a lot of potential but is also one of the safer picks in the draft.  I'd love for Ainge to trade up to get him.

Good post.

Either Triboy doesn't know what he's saying or he's just spewing nonsense to try to rationalize his earlier statements. Johnson is one of the best perimeter defenders in the draft and Turner is one of the best interior defenders (averaged 4.7 BPG per 40 min). Not to mention that both prospects are only 19. Still, he'd prefer to take Mickey, Christmas, and Holmes to either of them, which makes my case of him simply wanting to add second round talent to our team.

How do you spew out inaccurate statements and get away with it??  It just makes me smile

At 16
I prefer RJ Hunter, Oubre, Justin Anderson over Johnson
Kaminsky over Turner

At 28 or 33
One of Mickey, Christmas, Holmes over Alexander

[Eddie20]

Kaminsky to Heat would be interesting. Gives an interesting rotation of Bosh, Whiteside and Kaminsky. SJ would be better though as Deng is kind of old. Booker is a dark horse there as a better backup to Wade is needed.

The Heat usually draft older players, so even if Booker were there, I'd doubt they go that route.

I agree which is why he is a darkhorse. Wonder if Riley would take Turner, Sully and KO for 10. Those guys are better than Kaminsky and Turner is a throw in to help bench as well.

Dragic, Wade, Deng, Bosh, Whiteside
Cole, Turner, Ennis, Sully, KO, Anderson


Nah just wishful thinking they don't want are guys... :-(

I added this above…

I think a good trade for both is for us to trade Suillinger and #16 (Heat take Grant or Dekker) for #10 (we take Johnson or Turner).

Two guys im least excited about.  Seems like you like players that have avg hops or something.

Seems like you have a lot to learn about basketball and think we should fill our roster with 2nd rd talent because they jump high.

naw.  I know what this lineup needs to balance itself out.   Not keep adding not so over the rim type players.

you don't get that everyone else on the team has to work extra hard on the defensive end to prevent their man from having open season under the rim.   Maybe if they don't have to work extra hard, our offense would perform better

 Defense wins championships

So you don't want Stanley Johnson or Myles Turner because they're weak defenders? Are we talking about the same players? Hence as to  why I put their full names.

you will get good effort from Johnson.  But lets not kid ourselves if you think he can handle top sfs like Leonard, Lebron, Durant etc.   Johnson lacks the size, explosiveness, good but not great length to slow these guys down.   Plus is only considered an average shooter.  Had issues finishing around the basket in college, so how do you think he is going to deal with this issue in the nba?

Turner with the length that he has is poor at finishing around the basket .  He has some kind of foot , hip issue will prevent him from being a good perimeter , PNR defender

Johnson has NBA size.  Better than Winslow.  Better than Crowder.  He's not an elite athlete but he is a very good one.  Johnson shooting percentages were 47.8/37.1/74.2. So I'd say he is at least an above average shooter especially when you consider his poor percentage at the rim.  As for that, I expect Johnson will finish better at the rim in the NBA.  Arizona's spacing was lousy because of their poor shooters.  Johnson may not be elite at anything but he is very good at a lot of things.  To top it off he just turned 19.  He's got a lot of potential but is also one of the safer picks in the draft.  I'd love for Ainge to trade up to get him.

Good post.

Either Triboy doesn't know what he's saying or he's just spewing nonsense to try to rationalize his earlier statements. Johnson is one of the best perimeter defenders in the draft and Turner is one of the best interior defenders (averaged 4.7 BPG per 40 min). Not to mention that both prospects are only 19. Still, he'd prefer to take Mickey, Christmas, and Holmes to either of them, which makes my case of him simply wanting to add second round talent to our team.

How do you spew out inaccurate statements and get away with it??  It just makes me smile

At 16
I prefer RJ Hunter, Oubre, Justin Anderson over Johnson
Kaminsky over Turner

At 28 or 33
One of Mickey, Christmas, Holmes over Alexander

You could make a case for the #28 or #33 because all 4 will be DLeague bound. However, you said, "I know what this lineup needs to balance itself out", is that why you would prefer Hunter over Johnson or Kaminsky over Turner?  You think Hunter, who can only guard one position, and Kaminsky, who's short arms, lack of athletic ability, and redundant skillset to Olynyk, is balancing our lineup?

You may not like either player, but don't try to quantify it by saying it's because of their lack of defense.

[clover]

That is pricey to give up Sully to move up 6 spots. I'd do it for SJ. I was hoping keep the pick though some how. Which is why I said Turner, Sully and KO. Would love SJ and Portis.

It is, unless we can get then to go for Sullinger, Turner, #28, and perhaps some future 2nd rd picks for #10 and Ennis (for salary filler).

That works for me.

#11 is good enough, and Indy could use a PF. Sully alone would be fair IMO.

[Evantime34]

I think pretty much every team from 8 to 14 is a possible trade up candidate.

I would be ecstatic if Stanley Johnson or Myles Turner were the targets of such a trade up.

Stanley Johnson didn't shot a ton of lift last year, but he said that his freshman year in Arizona is the first time he started strength training. With his physical profile, I expect his explosiveness to improve under an NBA training regimen. He has the length and the strength to guard 2-4 and I think he is the best shot creator of anyone we have a chance of drafting. When he was locked in last year he was an elite defender, and when he wasn't locked in it was due to the mental lapses that every 19 year old makes. He has the physical tools to be elite in this league, and the mentality to get the most out of those tools.

[Tr1boy]

I think pretty much every team from 8 to 14 is a possible trade up candidate.

I would be ecstatic if Stanley Johnson or Myles Turner were the targets of such a trade up.

Stanley Johnson didn't shot a ton of lift last year, but he said that his freshman year in Arizona is the first time he started strength training. With his physical profile, I expect his explosiveness to improve under an NBA training regimen. He has the length and the strength to guard 2-4 and I think he is the best shot creator of anyone we have a chance of drafting. When he was locked in last year he was an elite defender, and when he wasn't locked in it was due to the mental lapses that every 19 year old makes. He has the physical tools to be elite in this league, and the mentality to get the most out of those tools.

You just dont become explosive. You either have it or dont.

You might be able to improve slightly and jump quicker or higher, move a little quicker depending how much you improve your strength/fitness but thats about it

Johnson does not have a "fast twitch" type body.  A guy with similar build but has a faster twitch is Jarell Martin. A case again where you either have it or dont bc martin is chubbier than Johnson

Look i like Johnson but i rather take one of the three i listed above 1st.  We already have a johnson like player on the team, Jae Crowder

[Tr1boy]

If you have a choice between adding johnson and oubre (similar level prospect),considering how unathletic overall the Celts is as a team, I would choose Oubre or Anderson

RJ Hunter is a top two or three shooter of the entire draft plus has really good size, length for a sg. Celts could also use 3 pt shooting. So that is why again I would take him over Johnson

[Evantime34]

If you have a choice between adding johnson and oubre (similar level prospect),considering how unathletic overall the Celts is as a team, I would choose Oubre or Anderson

RJ Hunter is a top two or three shooter of the entire draft plus has really good size, length for a sg. Celts could also use 3 pt shooting. So that is why again I would take him over Johnson

I think you are really underestimating how athletic Stanley Johnson is. Strength and quickness are also facets of athleticism. Johnson has a very quick first step and is strong as an ox.

The C's lack shot creation a lot more than they lack athleticism. Oubre and Anderson aren't even in the same stratosphere as Johnson when it comes to creating their own shot.

[Eddie20]

I think pretty much every team from 8 to 14 is a possible trade up candidate.

I would be ecstatic if Stanley Johnson or Myles Turner were the targets of such a trade up.

Stanley Johnson didn't shot a ton of lift last year, but he said that his freshman year in Arizona is the first time he started strength training. With his physical profile, I expect his explosiveness to improve under an NBA training regimen. He has the length and the strength to guard 2-4 and I think he is the best shot creator of anyone we have a chance of drafting. When he was locked in last year he was an elite defender, and when he wasn't locked in it was due to the mental lapses that every 19 year old makes. He has the physical tools to be elite in this league, and the mentality to get the most out of those tools.

You just dont become explosive. You either have it or dont.

You might be able to improve slightly and jump quicker or higher, move a little quicker depending how much you improve your strength/fitness but thats about it

Johnson does not have a "fast twitch" type body.  A guy with similar build but has a faster twitch is Jarell Martin. A case again where you either have it or dont bc martin is chubbier than Johnson

Look i like Johnson but i rather take one of the three i listed above 1st.  We already have a johnson like player on the team, Jae Crowder

Judging by your comments you were probably against drafting Pierce too.

Oh, and Crowder is to Johnson what Pressey is to Isaiah.

[slamtheking]

If you have a choice between adding johnson and oubre (similar level prospect),considering how unathletic overall the Celts is as a team, I would choose Oubre or Anderson

RJ Hunter is a top two or three shooter of the entire draft plus has really good size, length for a sg. Celts could also use 3 pt shooting. So that is why again I would take him over Johnson

The thing is this with your posts about who you like and don't like -- you severely skew towards "athletic" types regardless of overall skill levels.  If you don't think that's the case, you should review your posts because that's how your coming across.  It's fine if that's how you intend it but based on what you've just covered in the recent couple of posts, it doesn't seem that way.

The analysis of the Hunter choice -- that's a solid viewpoint that doesn't come across in other posts.  Shooting over defense as a more critical need.  Others may not agree in the preference but it's definitely a valid point.

the choice of Oubre or Anderson is an example of the opposite.  this is where you're going for what you perceive as a more athletic player simply for that reason.  Johnson, by all accounts, is considered athletic enough to play/defend 2 or 3 positions in the NBA.  He's got the physical build to play physically right now - not wait for his frame to fill out.  the other 2, not so much.  Oubre's motor has come into question, not so with Johnson.  The skillset variances between them can be debated but if 2 guys are of similar skillsets but one has a questionable desire while the other one is fully committed, I'll take fully committed 10 times out of 10.  As for Anderson, he does not have the physical presence of Johnson which is why he's rated lower as well as not expected to be as versatile a defender.

[Tr1boy]

I think pretty much every team from 8 to 14 is a possible trade up candidate.

I would be ecstatic if Stanley Johnson or Myles Turner were the targets of such a trade up.

Stanley Johnson didn't shot a ton of lift last year, but he said that his freshman year in Arizona is the first time he started strength training. With his physical profile, I expect his explosiveness to improve under an NBA training regimen. He has the length and the strength to guard 2-4 and I think he is the best shot creator of anyone we have a chance of drafting. When he was locked in last year he was an elite defender, and when he wasn't locked in it was due to the mental lapses that every 19 year old makes. He has the physical tools to be elite in this league, and the mentality to get the most out of those tools.

You just dont become explosive. You either have it or dont.

You might be able to improve slightly and jump quicker or higher, move a little quicker depending how much you improve your strength/fitness but thats about it

Johnson does not have a "fast twitch" type body.  A guy with similar build but has a faster twitch is Jarell Martin. A case again where you either have it or dont bc martin is chubbier than Johnson

Look i like Johnson but i rather take one of the three i listed above 1st.  We already have a johnson like player on the team, Jae Crowder

Judging by your comments you were probably against drafting Pierce too.

Oh, and Crowder is to Johnson what Pressey is to Isaiah.

Judging by the post above, you prob didnt realize how athletic Pierce just prior to the draft and first several years starting his NBA career

Can Johnson dunk like Pierce/jump as high? Is he as quick? Shoot and handle the ball like Pierce?  What do you think Eddie20

http://youtu.be/rSvcN0XLJ6M

[Eddie20]

I think pretty much every team from 8 to 14 is a possible trade up candidate.

I would be ecstatic if Stanley Johnson or Myles Turner were the targets of such a trade up.

Stanley Johnson didn't shot a ton of lift last year, but he said that his freshman year in Arizona is the first time he started strength training. With his physical profile, I expect his explosiveness to improve under an NBA training regimen. He has the length and the strength to guard 2-4 and I think he is the best shot creator of anyone we have a chance of drafting. When he was locked in last year he was an elite defender, and when he wasn't locked in it was due to the mental lapses that every 19 year old makes. He has the physical tools to be elite in this league, and the mentality to get the most out of those tools.

You just dont become explosive. You either have it or dont.

You might be able to improve slightly and jump quicker or higher, move a little quicker depending how much you improve your strength/fitness but thats about it

Johnson does not have a "fast twitch" type body.  A guy with similar build but has a faster twitch is Jarell Martin. A case again where you either have it or dont bc martin is chubbier than Johnson

Look i like Johnson but i rather take one of the three i listed above 1st.  We already have a johnson like player on the team, Jae Crowder

Judging by your comments you were probably against drafting Pierce too.

Oh, and Crowder is to Johnson what Pressey is to Isaiah.

Judging by the post above, you prob didnt realize how athletic Pierce just prior to the draft and first several years starting his NBA career

Can Johnson dunk like Pierce/jump as high? Is he as quick? Shoot and handle the ball like Pierce?  What do you think Eddie20

I don't need to see videos, I remember the arguments. Pierce slipped in the draft because they thought he had average athleticism. I always thought Pierce was underrated athletically, just like Johnson is being underrated athletically now.

[Evantime34]

I think pretty much every team from 8 to 14 is a possible trade up candidate.

I would be ecstatic if Stanley Johnson or Myles Turner were the targets of such a trade up.

Stanley Johnson didn't shot a ton of lift last year, but he said that his freshman year in Arizona is the first time he started strength training. With his physical profile, I expect his explosiveness to improve under an NBA training regimen. He has the length and the strength to guard 2-4 and I think he is the best shot creator of anyone we have a chance of drafting. When he was locked in last year he was an elite defender, and when he wasn't locked in it was due to the mental lapses that every 19 year old makes. He has the physical tools to be elite in this league, and the mentality to get the most out of those tools.

You just dont become explosive. You either have it or dont.

You might be able to improve slightly and jump quicker or higher, move a little quicker depending how much you improve your strength/fitness but thats about it

Johnson does not have a "fast twitch" type body.  A guy with similar build but has a faster twitch is Jarell Martin. A case again where you either have it or dont bc martin is chubbier than Johnson

Look i like Johnson but i rather take one of the three i listed above 1st.  We already have a johnson like player on the team, Jae Crowder

Judging by your comments you were probably against drafting Pierce too.

Oh, and Crowder is to Johnson what Pressey is to Isaiah.

Judging by the post above, you prob didnt realize how athletic Pierce just prior to the draft and first several years starting his NBA career

Can Johnson dunk like Pierce/jump as high? Is he as quick? Shoot and handle the ball like Pierce?  What do you think Eddie20

Pierce got more athletic once he started training like an NBA player. If you compare his college highlights with Stanley's college highlights they are getting similar height on their dunks. The difference is a lot of Pierce's highlight at kansas came as a Junior where Stanley was doing comparable athletic feats as a freshman.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8ZMW9OviPU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mRLdTvXxS-o