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I've been thinking about this for awhile and if I'm a top tier free agent, there is no way I sign with a Danny Ainge run team assuming money is the same.  Here is why.  I would have to believe that the odds of me making the end of a 4 year contract in Boston is less than 10%.  This afterall is the guy that traded for and then away Kevin Garnett.  A guy whose tinkering was so much that Ray Allen choose to leave for half the money.  A guy that traded away Paul Pierce and who has said multiple times would have traded Larry Bird.  A guy who couldn't stand Antoine Walker's game so much that he immediately trades him away and then re-acquires him a few years a later, only to let him walk again.  A guy that wouldn't re-sign James Posey because he wanted an extra year on a mid-level contract.  Who acquires, re-signs, and then trades away Jeff Green who had a very reasonable contract.  Who consistently tried to move Rajon Rondo before finally pulling the trigger.

So I'm Marc Gasol or some other top tier free agent, why on earth would I willingly choose Boston when I know I will be constantly in trade rumors before ultimately getting traded at some point in time?  Heck Garnett even had a no trade clause and that didn't stop Ainge from trying to and ultimately trading him away.  Why would I want to put up with that headache?  I mean the money is the same and it isn't like Boston is set up to win titles for the next ten years.  There is no incentive for me to sign for Ainge and in fact Ainge would be the biggest reason to not sign in Boston if I was a free agent (and don't get me started on the crappy weather, high taxes, etc.).
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Re: Why would any top tier free agent sign for a team run by Ainge
« Reply #1 on: May 19, 2015, 07:57:53 AM »

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I wasn't happy with the Posey decision, but all the other trades can be explained by one word- rebuilding.  Ainge did the right thing.  Would you prefer to have continued to march out the entire 2008 team in 2015?  That would be dumb.

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The counter to that argument is how KG and Pierce both still praise playing for the Celtics.

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I wasn't happy with the Posey decision, but all the other trades can be explained by one word- rebuilding.  Ainge did the right thing.  Would you prefer to have continued to march out the entire 2008 team in 2015?  That would be dumb.
I'm not a player.  We the fans can applaud the decision, but we are not players.
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The counter to that argument is how KG and Pierce both still praise playing for the Celtics.
Exactly. Perk too.  Rondo was teary when he came back also.

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The counter to that argument is how KG and Pierce both still praise playing for the Celtics.
What about Allen, Rondo, etc. and I don't recall seeing Pierce re-sign in Boston when he went to Washington.  In fact Boston was never in contention.  Pierce and KG are smart so I'm not surprised by their public statements, but I think privately there is probably more honesty.
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The counter to that argument is how KG and Pierce both still praise playing for the Celtics.
Exactly. Perk too.  Rondo was teary when he came back also.
teary to play for the fans is not the same thing.  Do you think Rondo would ever re-sign for Ainge if he had other options?
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I would be reluctant to if I was, but hopefully these guys aren't prepped up on Trader Danny as well as long time Boston fans, heck Ainge recently mentioned that most young guys coming into the league only know of the KG,PP and the Doc championship team and very little if any dating back further.
Maybe that is Danny's spin to cover his own behind ha ha.
Virtually every trade you mentioned did send each player to a better situation , each one of those teams was at a stage further along in its development than Boston was when he traded them.
So hopefully all the Player agents have stored that up in Ainge's favour this summer. ;D
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The counter to that argument is how KG and Pierce both still praise playing for the Celtics.
Exactly. Perk too.  Rondo was teary when he came back also.
teary to play for the fans is not the same thing.  Do you think Rondo would ever re-sign for Ainge if he had other options?
Absolutely if we were contenders and offered as good a deal as the other teams offered.

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The counter to that argument is how KG and Pierce both still praise playing for the Celtics.
What about Allen, Rondo, etc. and I don't recall seeing Pierce re-sign in Boston when he went to Washington.  In fact Boston was never in contention.  Pierce and KG are smart so I'm not surprised by their public statements, but I think privately there is probably more honesty.
Because Pierce wanted to make a splash in the playoffs and Boston didn't offer that.  Plus he wasn't recruited by Boston because signing old veterans has a negative effect on a rebuild.

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Simple.  If you are a max-type free agent, you don't think you're not going to live up to your contract and be traded.  The other guys around you might not be good enough, and you know Ainge will do what he can to get better guys around you.  But if you think you're the star, ego alone will keep you from thinking you might be trade bait.

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I'm sure there are 29 other reasons to not play for the 29 other GMs in the league, a high majority of them much much worse than Ainge.

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This thread makes no sense to me. I suggest you go by every franchise in the league, and you'll see similar patterns to that from which you allude to, to say nothing about how out of context the whole thing is and exaggerated to boot.

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I'm sure there are 29 other reasons to not play for the 29 other GMs in the league, a high majority of them much much worse than Ainge.

I'd go with this.  So you sign in LAL, where they traded away Odom (twice), Bynum, tried to trade away Gasol, let Ariza walk after he helped them win a championship.

Or do you sign with Miami who waived Mike Miller after he took a discount to come play there in the first place?  Or ships out cornerstone guys like Shaq or Tim Hardaway, or veterans like Antoine Walker to one of the worst teams in the league.  Hey they traded for Shawn Marion at one trade deadline, then traded him away at the next.  At least the C's let Jeff Green stick around for 2 full seasons (plus the season he sat out).

So you play for Morey and the Rockets?  Didn't he refer to players as nothing but mercenaries (although when I google it, I'm not finding anything)?  Gave a current player's number away (Lin) to try to lure a free agent.  Criticizes the contract Parsons signed (referring to how he wouldn't be able to trade Parsons, why sign a player to a contract you'll just try to trade later?).

Or you play for the Bulls, whose owner openly criticized the Celtics for being too loyal to their players in the past?

Or do you sign with the Mavericks, who had their own big 3, but let a prime Steve Nash walk because they didn't think he would be worth the money, then cut the team's longest tenured player in Michael Finley?  The team who didn't give Tyson Chandler the contract he wanted after helping them to a championship, so they let him walk only to trade for him back after a few seasons while still on the same contract they didn't want to offer him in the first place?  Actually, hasn't that whole team just been considered Dirk and a bunch of mercenaries for the last several years now (this season for instance, besides Dirk, they didn't have a single player who had been on the team 2 seasons prior).

I'm sure if I actually followed these teams (or any of the other teams in the league) I could come up with many more examples.


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Re: Why would any top tier free agent sign for a team run by Ainge
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I don't think this is a big deal. I am surprised it is not but I don't think it is. I struggle to think of any players who have avoided signing with a team because they have a lot of roster turnover.

I think the most important impression Ainge gives to prospective FAs is that Ainge knows how to build an NBA Championship team. He has done it before. He has proven himself. Unlike 90% of the rest of the GMs in the league. And if you come to Boston, Ainge will give you a chance to win a Championship.