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Would you like Noah on Celtics next year? How would you obtain him?

Yes. Trade Wallace and a first
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Yes. Use the Rondo TPE + a CHI 1st
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Yes. Not sure or other method
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Re: Noah to C's?
« Reply #30 on: May 18, 2015, 09:39:00 PM »

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agree Ilikesports17 ...  explore options first. Of course you go for Noah with 28 and the TPE if you can... but watching Noah vs Cleveland was painful.  He did nothing much at the defensive end as far as I could see...and his offense was ATROCIOUS.   

He is a pretty good rebounder, but just another non-finishing big on offense. I watched him on back to back possessions get a rebound a foot from the hoop and looked to pass it out... and also had Delevadova one on one in the post and passed it back out.

Grab him if better options fail... and only if its a TPE and late pick.  Like i said in an earlier post, I'd rather take a flyer on Ezeli or Dieng 
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Re: Noah to C's?
« Reply #31 on: May 18, 2015, 09:47:25 PM »

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Black hole on offense? He is probably the best playmaking big in the entire league. With our guards not exactly excelling in this area, he would be great in the high post. Why would anyone say no to Noah, especially if he came at a discount?
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Re: Noah to C's?
« Reply #32 on: May 18, 2015, 09:50:24 PM »

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Quote from: Ilikesports17 on May 18, 2015, 08:33:37 PM
Quote from: gpap on May 18, 2015, 08:29:51 PM
Quote from: crimson_stallion on May 18, 2015, 12:22:25 AM
There's no way Chicago gives him up for Wallace and a first.  If he did, I'd probably take it in a heart beat. 

Even though I really can't stand Noah, he definitely fills a need and would be a big upgrade for us at center. 

If you can get him that cheap, you really can't say no...though I'd have to cringe every time I watched him.

Why? Noah is EXACTLY what we need. He provides toughness and size which we DESPERATELY need. I'd give up anything to get him.
Anything?

He is an older player who is never healthy any more and is a black hole on offense

How many centers (or power forwards for that matter) get more assists than him and are better passers?

Calling Noah a "black hole" is wrong.

Seriously, he is probably the best passing big man in the league, and is certainly top five.

How on earth is he a black hole?


(Also, here: http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/player/_/stat/assists/sort/avgAssists/seasontype/2/position/centers )
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« Reply #33 on: May 18, 2015, 09:51:31 PM »

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Ill fit, he is an incredible passer but he is such a poor shooter than he can't spread the floor.
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« Reply #34 on: May 18, 2015, 09:53:26 PM »

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Quote from: Celtics4ever on May 18, 2015, 09:51:31 PM
Ill fit, he is an incredible passer but he is such a poor shooter than he can't spread the floor.

True, but him and Kelly would fit together awful nicely.
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« Reply #35 on: May 18, 2015, 09:55:40 PM »

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Quote from: jambr380 on May 18, 2015, 09:47:25 PM
Black hole on offense? He is probably the best playmaking big in the entire league. With our guards not exactly excelling in this area, he would be great in the high post. Why would anyone say not to Noah, especially if he came at a discount?

Yep.

At the right price, I'd be thrilled to see Noah on the current roster.
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« Reply #36 on: May 18, 2015, 10:13:28 PM »

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I would love to add Noah. On top of him being one of the best C's in the league I like the combo of Noah with more offensive minded backups Zeller and Olynyk.
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« Reply #37 on: May 18, 2015, 10:15:36 PM »

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He is a great passer, but so is rondo and rondo is often a black hole on offense.

Actually black hole is the wrong word because he doesnt kill posessions but he offers little to no threat to score.

When it gets to the point where teams put their players in fould trouble on you because they know you arent going to draw a foul and wont be able to score despite being covered by wing players that means you are a huge negative on offense.
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« Reply #38 on: May 18, 2015, 10:15:38 PM »

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Ah, jeez--saw the title to this thread and wondered if there was a Vonleh rumor starting.
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« Reply #39 on: May 18, 2015, 10:25:50 PM »

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He is a great passer, but so is rondo and rondo is often a black hole on offense.

Actually black hole is the wrong word because he doesnt kill posessions but he offers little to no threat to score.

When it gets to the point where teams put their players in fould trouble on you because they know you arent going to draw a foul and wont be able to score despite being covered by wing players that means you are a huge negative on offense.
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« Reply #40 on: May 18, 2015, 10:28:41 PM »

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Quote from: Ilikesports17 on May 18, 2015, 10:15:36 PM
He is a great passer, but so is rondo and rondo is often a black hole on offense.

Actually black hole is the wrong word because he doesnt kill posessions but he offers little to no threat to score.

When it gets to the point where teams put their players in fould trouble on you because they know you arent going to draw a foul and wont be able to score despite being covered by wing players that means you are a huge negative on offense.

Noah: 7.2 points and 4.7 assists in 30 mpg this season.
Smart: 7.8 points and 3.1 assists in 27 mpg this season.

Noah generated more points for his team than Smart did this season. Surely, Smart isn't a black hole on offense, is he?
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Re: Noah to C's?
« Reply #41 on: May 18, 2015, 10:36:23 PM »

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Quote from: clover on May 18, 2015, 10:15:38 PM
Ah, jeez--saw the title to this thread and wondered if there was a Vonleh rumor starting.

Noah Vonleh?

No thanks.
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Re: Noah to C's?
« Reply #42 on: May 18, 2015, 10:54:44 PM »

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Quote from: Rick Robeys Return on May 18, 2015, 09:33:38 PM
I love the idea of taking on Noah and his salary in exchange for a first (or some such). But I dont think the Rondo TPE $12.9 mill is big enough to take on Noah's $13.4 mill salary....

The season isn't over.  Noah's salary is 12.2 million and fits into the TPE until July 1. 
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Re: Noah to C's?
« Reply #43 on: May 18, 2015, 11:09:56 PM »

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Quote from: Lucky17 on May 18, 2015, 10:28:41 PM
Quote from: Ilikesports17 on May 18, 2015, 10:15:36 PM
He is a great passer, but so is rondo and rondo is often a black hole on offense.

Actually black hole is the wrong word because he doesnt kill posessions but he offers little to no threat to score.

When it gets to the point where teams put their players in fould trouble on you because they know you arent going to draw a foul and wont be able to score despite being covered by wing players that means you are a huge negative on offense.

Noah: 7.2 points and 4.7 assists in 30 mpg this season.
Smart: 7.8 points and 3.1 assists in 27 mpg this season.

Noah generated more points for his team than Smart did this season. Surely, Smart isn't a black hole on offense, is he?
Black hole is a bit strong as I admitted, but sure, 30 year old declining Joakim Noah added slightly more in terms of offense than 21 year old rookie defense first gaurd Marcus Smart, who was probably the 7th scoring option on a 7 seed in the east.

Its not exactly a ringing endorsement. I was harsh on blackhole but he just not a guy teams feel the need to account for.

In the playoffs those numbers are
Noah
Smart 9.3 ppg 1.3 apg in 23 mpg
Noah 5.8 ppg 3.2 apg in 33 mpg

So in 10 more mpg Noah added roughly .5 more points per game in the playoffs.
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Re: Noah to C's?
« Reply #44 on: May 19, 2015, 12:10:05 AM »

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Very good pick n roll defender when healthy, excellent passer, of course he can help.  I'd say Danny will at least be kicking the tires on him.  Maybe with the apparent changeover about to happen there, you could pry him away without giving up a ton.  It probably depends on whoever the new coach winds up being, assuming Thibs gets the boot.  Hope for D'Antoni...

You don't give up a ton for him because of the contract.  But contract aside, I would take Noah on my team for the next 3 or 4 years as starting center - absolutely.  He's a guy you can win a title with (even though he's never won one).
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