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Re: Doc rivers snatches DEFEAT from the jaws of victory..!
« Reply #60 on: May 18, 2015, 10:41:34 AM »

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Doc has lost 5 series when up 3-2, two of which he was up 3-1.

2003 (Magic) vs. Pistons

2009 (Celtics) vs. Magic

2010 (Celtics) vs. Lakers (finals)

2012 (Celtics) vs. Heat

2015 (Clippers) vs Rockets

Also, he has lost 10+ games in a row with two different teams.
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Re: Doc rivers snatches DEFEAT from the jaws of victory..!
« Reply #61 on: May 18, 2015, 11:30:27 AM »

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Even though thats pretty bad, still miss him.

Re: Doc rivers snatches DEFEAT from the jaws of victory..!
« Reply #62 on: May 18, 2015, 11:37:57 AM »

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Well, we almost lost Round 1 to Atlanta in 2008 BECAUSE of Doc changing his rotation...Luckily, Ainge or somebody had him change back---and we won....But 2008's Championship was almost blown by him and him alone.

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And Doc is the reason the Celtics lost game 7 in 2010.  He changed his rotation for game 7 and barely played the bench, leaving Nate Robinson on the bench even though they had trouble scoring and scoring was the reason Nate was brought to Boston.  He also left Tony Allen on the bench when Ray couldn't hit a shot to save his life.  No, Tony couldn't hit a shot, but Tony would do what Tony always does, drive to the basket and draw fouls and make an impact on defense.  I really dislike Doc as a coach!

I agree that we lost game 7 because we were fatigued  but let's not forget that Perk had gotten hurt early in game 6, so Doc had to play the other bigs more. I dislike Doc as much anyone and take some joy in the Clippers blow up, but we lost that LA series because Perk got hurt, and THEN because Sheed had played too much and had nothing left. He also fouled out. You are right that Tony, Baby and Nate should all have played way more. Scal was always decent too and he only played a few seconds.

Re: Doc rivers snatches DEFEAT from the jaws of victory..!
« Reply #63 on: May 18, 2015, 11:55:26 AM »

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Well, we almost lost Round 1 to Atlanta in 2008 BECAUSE of Doc changing his rotation...Luckily, Ainge or somebody had him change back---and we won....But 2008's Championship was almost blown by him and him alone.

This x 100

And Doc is the reason the Celtics lost game 7 in 2010.  He changed his rotation for game 7 and barely played the bench, leaving Nate Robinson on the bench even though they had trouble scoring and scoring was the reason Nate was brought to Boston.  He also left Tony Allen on the bench when Ray couldn't hit a shot to save his life.  No, Tony couldn't hit a shot, but Tony would do what Tony always does, drive to the basket and draw fouls and make an impact on defense.  I really dislike Doc as a coach!

I agree that we lost game 7 because we were fatigued  but let's not forget that Perk had gotten hurt early in game 6, so Doc had to play the other bigs more. I dislike Doc as much anyone and take some joy in the Clippers blow up, but we lost that LA series because Perk got hurt, and THEN because Sheed had played too much and had nothing left. He also fouled out. You are right that Tony, Baby and Nate should all have played way more. Scal was always decent too and he only played a few seconds.

Nate played 2 minutes!  Think about that.  Shrek and Donkey just won a finals game for you and you don't play Nate in game 7?
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« Reply #64 on: May 18, 2015, 12:07:02 PM »

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I loved Doc as a coach overall.  But I agree that he seriously underplayed Tony Allen on a number of occasions.

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« Reply #65 on: May 18, 2015, 12:16:59 PM »

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I love him, but he really is overrated. My opinion.

Re: Doc rivers snatches DEFEAT from the jaws of victory..!
« Reply #66 on: May 18, 2015, 12:19:06 PM »

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Are we really misremembering 2010 to the point where more Scal and Nate would have won us the title?

What about calling Gasol's foul on Rondo? Or is that not something we can pin on Doc, so no use dredging up, you know, the actual reasons why we lost the game?
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« Reply #67 on: May 18, 2015, 12:25:06 PM »

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Are we really misremembering 2010 to the point where more Scal and Nate would have won us the title?

What about calling Gasol's foul on Rondo? Or is that not something we can pin on Doc, so no use dredging up, you know, the actual reasons why we lost the game?

The officiating fiasco in that series, especially at the end (only the most important part) is another topic entirely.  I agree with you on the effect of that bs situation.

I also think Doc and Rondo wouldn't be bashed to pieces around here if KG, Perk, Shaq, etc...had stayed healthy and there were 3 to 4 rings instead of 1.


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« Reply #68 on: May 18, 2015, 12:32:06 PM »

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Doc has lost 5 series when up 3-2, two of which he was up 3-1.

2003 (Magic) vs. Pistons

2009 (Celtics) vs. Magic

2010 (Celtics) vs. Lakers (finals)

2012 (Celtics) vs. Heat

2015 (Clippers) vs Rockets


It could also be argued that Doc was able to get his teams to over-achieve even getting to the point where they were up in any of those series. In all but the Clippers/Rockets series Doc's team were always the clear underdog.

Nobody really expected any of those teams to win, not until they were up in this series, at which point talent eventually won out, as it usually does.

I'm not excusing these failures to close out the series, but it wasn't like they were ever expected to be on that position in the first place. Personally, I don't care one iota. Doc is no longer the coach of the Celtics. I appreciate the championship he was able to being to Boston, and that's it.

This whole thread seems like nothing but a bunch of chest thumping. "See, I was right, Doc sucks!", honestly, I find it all pretty funny. Sad, but funny. Why do people care?

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« Reply #69 on: May 18, 2015, 12:36:09 PM »

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Re: Doc rivers snatches DEFEAT from the jaws of victory..!
« Reply #70 on: May 18, 2015, 01:21:24 PM »

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Well, we almost lost Round 1 to Atlanta in 2008 BECAUSE of Doc changing his rotation...Luckily, Ainge or somebody had him change back---and we won....But 2008's Championship was almost blown by him and him alone.

This x 100

And Doc is the reason the Celtics lost game 7 in 2010.  He changed his rotation for game 7 and barely played the bench, leaving Nate Robinson on the bench even though they had trouble scoring and scoring was the reason Nate was brought to Boston.  He also left Tony Allen on the bench when Ray couldn't hit a shot to save his life.  No, Tony couldn't hit a shot, but Tony would do what Tony always does, drive to the basket and draw fouls and make an impact on defense.  I really dislike Doc as a coach!

There were so many simple adjustments that he could have done throughout that series that would have put us over the top, but he never made any of them.  It's like he was incapable of doing so, and I guess that that's probably the case on a whole.  He never changed the offense, either, as our guys got older, and if you want to specifically talk about the 2010 finals, why not Marquis Daniels?  Yes, he was injured earlier on, but he was available, iirc, throughout that series, and he could have made a big difference, imo.  Even Michael Finley could have helped.  Yes, Michael Finley.  I know that I'll get a lot of flack for saying that, but he could have won us a game or two in the finals, imo, especially in game 3 after Artest kneed Ray in the thigh, rendering him useless, and yet we fought all the way back against the refs, everything, only to lose by, what, 5-7 points?  Really?  Doc also never utilized Sheed or even JO correctly, treating them as Perk, offensively.  Both guys really perform better when they score, and some players are just like that.  It helps them feel that they're a part of the game, and Doc never recognized this.  JO at least liked to play the post and could have made a big difference at times, but he never got any shots inside, and yet, when he went to Phoenix and Golden State right afterwards, he looked rejuvenated.  I get that the Suns have the best medical staff in the league, but still.  Rivers did the same thing with Jason Terry, as well.

All in all, I think that Doc is a master motivator, but a crappy x's and o's guy, not to mention his KC Jones-like attitude in regard to playing younger guys.  Look at how well Sheed played with the Knicks in his last year before he had to retire due to injury.  In 8-9 fewer minutes per game, at age 38, he rebounded at the same rate and blocked close to his totals in 2009-10, and why was that?  Because Woodson understood how to get his head in the game.  Any time he was in there, they got him the ball, and good things happened because he always had mismatches.  Meanwhile, in 2009-10, Doc refused to make him a focal point of the offense as soon as he checked even when he was being guarded by Lamar Odom and Luke Walton. :o Luke Walton!  Are you freakin' kidding me?  Ugh.

The only thing Doc did that was really impressive to me was his limiting of minutes in 09-10.  It's hard to do that, but he did it, and we got all the way to the brink of a title because of it, in addition to other factors.  The same strategy should have been applied in the subsequent years, imo, but they wanted homecourt after 'losing' game 7, which is perfectly understandable, but is also more of a knee jerk reaction, and we suffered in the playoffs because the older guys, particularly KG, had played more minutes during said campaign.  He also might have been hurt, but he wore down in that series against Miami, which likely never would have happened if Doc had kept the big picture in mind.  Sigh.

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« Reply #71 on: May 18, 2015, 01:34:31 PM »

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Are we really misremembering 2010 to the point where more Scal and Nate would have won us the title?

What about calling Gasol's foul on Rondo? Or is that not something we can pin on Doc, so no use dredging up, you know, the actual reasons why we lost the game?

Which one, lol ;D, unless of course you're talking about Wade's foul on Rondo in game 2 of the 2012 ecf.

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« Reply #72 on: May 18, 2015, 01:36:54 PM »

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I think the fact that people on this message board are complaining that Doc didn't play guys like Marquis Daniels and Michael Finley in the last game of the entire season explains why Doc is getting paid millions to coach in the NBA and we are talking about it on a forum.
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Re: Doc rivers snatches DEFEAT from the jaws of victory..!
« Reply #73 on: May 18, 2015, 02:09:10 PM »

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Are we really misremembering 2010 to the point where more Scal and Nate would have won us the title?

What about calling Gasol's foul on Rondo? Or is that not something we can pin on Doc, so no use dredging up, you know, the actual reasons why we lost the game?

Which one, lol ;D, unless of course you're talking about Wade's foul on Rondo in game 2 of the 2012 ecf.

Did you not watch the series or something? There is only one true uncalled Gasol foul on Rondo for 2010.
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« Reply #74 on: May 18, 2015, 03:11:18 PM »

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I think the fact that people on this message board are complaining that Doc didn't play guys like Marquis Daniels and Michael Finley in the last game of the entire season explains why Doc is getting paid millions to coach in the NBA and we are talking about it on a forum.

Not people, one person talked about Finley and Daniels.  I was talking about the Shrek and Donkey game where Nate helped win that game, but only played 2 minutes in the crucial game 7, a game the Celtics couldn't score and they had the guy they brought in to help scoring sitting on the bench for the entire games, with the exception of 2 minutes. 
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