League executive predicts Khris Middleton will receive $15mill/season

[Roy H.]

Here is a result for middleton and his equivalent contract as of today would be 10.73 millions.

Well, that's not necessarily true.  Maybe it's equivalent in average terms, but he'd receive the equivalent of $14.1 million next year.  That would put him as the 30th highest paid player in the NBA (compared to this year's salaries), more than guys like DeMarcus Cousins, Tony Parker, and Steph Curry.  The only non-superstars making more than him are generally the guys where you say "yep, he's overpaid".  It's certainly not the going rate for a starting, non-star wing; just because Dallas overpaid for Parsons doesn't mean other teams should follow suit, setting a new market for non-top tier talent.

[Irish Stew]

Here is a result for middleton and his equivalent contract as of today would be 10.73 millions.

Well, that's not necessarily true.  Maybe it's equivalent in average terms, but he'd receive the equivalent of $14.1 million next year.  That would put him as the 30th highest paid player in the NBA (compared to this year's salaries), more than guys like DeMarcus Cousins, Tony Parker, and Steph Curry.  The only non-superstars making more than him are generally the guys where you say "yep, he's overpaid".  It's certainly not the going rate for a starting, non-star wing; just because Dallas overpaid for Parsons doesn't mean other teams should follow suit, setting a new market for non-top tier talent.

LGC88 must be banging his head against the wall in frustration trying to explain that this long term  contract offer would be totally in line with future contracts and even a bargain possibly. Today he may become the 30th highest paid player, but as new contracts are signed as the cap explodes he will rapidly move back to 50th and way beyond. The only questions that need to be answered are: 1) Was Middleton's season indicative of a $10 million player? (remember that today's $10 million player is tomorrow's $15 million player) 2) Is there even more likely upside to this player? 3) Would he work well in Steven's system? I think that the answer to all three questions is a definite yes.

[wdleehi]

Here is a result for middleton and his equivalent contract as of today would be 10.73 millions.

Well, that's not necessarily true.  Maybe it's equivalent in average terms, but he'd receive the equivalent of $14.1 million next year.  That would put him as the 30th highest paid player in the NBA (compared to this year's salaries), more than guys like DeMarcus Cousins, Tony Parker, and Steph Curry.  The only non-superstars making more than him are generally the guys where you say "yep, he's overpaid".  It's certainly not the going rate for a starting, non-star wing; just because Dallas overpaid for Parsons doesn't mean other teams should follow suit, setting a new market for non-top tier talent.

LGC88 must be banging his head against the wall in frustration trying to explain that this long term  contract offer would be totally in line with future contracts and even a bargain possibly. Today he may become the 30th highest paid player, but as new contracts are signed as the cap explodes he will rapidly move back to 50th and way beyond. The only questions that need to be answered are: 1) Was Middleton's season indicative of a $10 million player? (remember that today's $10 million player is tomorrow's $15 million player) 2) Is there even more likely upside to this player? 3) Would he work well in Steven's system? I think that the answer to all three questions is a definite yes.

Except of course for the years where the cap hasn't exploded.  You know, the early years where the Celtics are still in the "add more talent" phase. 


That's where overpaying (which this would be) hurts the team.  (unless you want to wait those couple of years until the cap explodes to continue the talent adding phase)

[Moranis]

Here is a result for middleton and his equivalent contract as of today would be 10.73 millions.

Well, that's not necessarily true.  Maybe it's equivalent in average terms, but he'd receive the equivalent of $14.1 million next year.  That would put him as the 30th highest paid player in the NBA (compared to this year's salaries), more than guys like DeMarcus Cousins, Tony Parker, and Steph Curry.  The only non-superstars making more than him are generally the guys where you say "yep, he's overpaid".  It's certainly not the going rate for a starting, non-star wing; just because Dallas overpaid for Parsons doesn't mean other teams should follow suit, setting a new market for non-top tier talent.

LGC88 must be banging his head against the wall in frustration trying to explain that this long term  contract offer would be totally in line with future contracts and even a bargain possibly. Today he may become the 30th highest paid player, but as new contracts are signed as the cap explodes he will rapidly move back to 50th and way beyond. The only questions that need to be answered are: 1) Was Middleton's season indicative of a $10 million player? (remember that today's $10 million player is tomorrow's $15 million player) 2) Is there even more likely upside to this player? 3) Would he work well in Steven's system? I think that the answer to all three questions is a definite yes.

Except of course for the years where the cap hasn't exploded.  You know, the early years where the Celtics are still in the "add more talent" phase. 


That's where overpaying (which this would be) hurts the team.  (unless you want to wait those couple of years until the cap explodes to continue the talent adding phase)

Yeah, you can't do that math. 

I don't think the Bucks match 15 million of course I don't think anyone gives him 15 million either.  It certainly didn't work out for Dallas overpaying Parsons, and Parsons is better than Middleton. 

You don't overpay for mid-level players, especially when you don't have your top tier players already on the roster.  Boston is better off not spending money than wasting it.  Because if you have cap room you have so much more flexibility i.e. you can claim guys off waivers (like Thomas Robinson), you can take on salary for 1st round picks (like Javelle McGee), you can take on players that teams need to dump (like Tyler Zeller - I realize that was a trade exception but the theory is the same), etc.

[TheTruthFot18]

So much for getting him. Wonder what T. Harris will command?

[oldutican]

Only way is sign & trade. Bucks are loaded on wing. KO and a pick could get it done.

[Irish Stew]

Worrying about players like McGee, TZeller, and Robinson is like rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic. Hoping that Aldridge will choose us or that the Spurs won't match Leonard is worth trying but is extremely unlikely to happen. Even maxing Middleton and having the Bucks not match has less than a 50% chance of being successful, but is a reasonable course of action compared to pie in the sky reaches. Combine the Middleton signing with a rim defender signing like Asik, Biyombo, or even a draftee and we're looking at a 45-50 team win team plus future cap space as the cap increases to grab that last piece that makes us a title contender. We have to adapt to the future NBA economic climate by anticipating and acting now.

[BornReady]

15 mill for middleton is an overpay
i would pay around 10 mil as he is improving but we have only seen much from this season

also comparing parsons contract of 15 mil is wrong cuz he was clearly overpaid by dallas in order to pry him from the rockets

[Evantime34]

Here is a result for middleton and his equivalent contract as of today would be 10.73 millions.

Well, that's not necessarily true.  Maybe it's equivalent in average terms, but he'd receive the equivalent of $14.1 million next year.  That would put him as the 30th highest paid player in the NBA (compared to this year's salaries), more than guys like DeMarcus Cousins, Tony Parker, and Steph Curry.  The only non-superstars making more than him are generally the guys where you say "yep, he's overpaid".  It's certainly not the going rate for a starting, non-star wing; just because Dallas overpaid for Parsons doesn't mean other teams should follow suit, setting a new market for non-top tier talent.

This offseason, it will become the going rate. We won't be able to sign this year's free agents at last year's numbers.

Except of course for the years where the cap hasn't exploded.  You know, the early years where the Celtics are still in the "add more talent" phase. 


That's where overpaying (which this would be) hurts the team.  (unless you want to wait those couple of years until the cap explodes to continue the talent adding phase)

If we aren't willing to pay enough to sign a quality free agent, then we haven't succeeded in the "add more talent" phase.

My opinion is that no one is going to want to take our offer if we are offering a deal that favors the C's. If we are unwilling to outbid or at least match on some players this summer then we will end up with no one. I'm not interested in saving our cap flexibility for next season, because more teams will have cap space and our flexibility will thus be devalued by the market.

Honestly as long as the C's are able to improve their play at the 3 and the 5 I will be happy. If they can trade for players that fill those needs on contracts that are more reasonable than the ones we would sign a potential free agent to, all the better.

What I am wary of is, refusing to go the extra mile on a free agent after exhausting other opportunities and coming away with no quality talent added this summer.

[wdleehi]

Here is a result for middleton and his equivalent contract as of today would be 10.73 millions.

Well, that's not necessarily true.  Maybe it's equivalent in average terms, but he'd receive the equivalent of $14.1 million next year.  That would put him as the 30th highest paid player in the NBA (compared to this year's salaries), more than guys like DeMarcus Cousins, Tony Parker, and Steph Curry.  The only non-superstars making more than him are generally the guys where you say "yep, he's overpaid".  It's certainly not the going rate for a starting, non-star wing; just because Dallas overpaid for Parsons doesn't mean other teams should follow suit, setting a new market for non-top tier talent.

This offseason, it will become the going rate. We won't be able to sign this year's free agents at last year's numbers.

Except of course for the years where the cap hasn't exploded.  You know, the early years where the Celtics are still in the "add more talent" phase. 


That's where overpaying (which this would be) hurts the team.  (unless you want to wait those couple of years until the cap explodes to continue the talent adding phase)

If we aren't willing to pay enough to sign a quality free agent, then we haven't succeeded in the "add more talent" phase.

My opinion is that no one is going to want to take our offer if we are offering a deal that favors the C's. If we are unwilling to outbid or at least match on some players this summer then we will end up with no one. I'm not interested in saving our cap flexibility for next season, because more teams will have cap space and our flexibility will thus be devalued by the market.

Honestly as long as the C's are able to improve their play at the 3 and the 5 I will be happy. If they can trade for players that fill those needs on contracts that are more reasonable than the ones we would sign a potential free agent to, all the better.

What I am wary of is, refusing to go the extra mile on a free agent after exhausting other opportunities and coming away with no quality talent added this summer.

Overpaying for talent is overpaying for talent. 


That has nothing to do with a contract favoring the Celtics, its about finding fair contracts.  Sure, they may have to be small overpayment, but 15 million a year is a terrible contract. 

[Donoghus]

You don't overpay for third tier talent in the NBA.  That's what gets you in cap hell.  Especially when you're in the rebuilding phase. 

Keep the flexibility rather than overspend.   There's other ways to get talent to Boston.  Big one being trades which I think this team is set up to do whether its now or a year from now. 

[Evantime34]

Here is a result for middleton and his equivalent contract as of today would be 10.73 millions.

Well, that's not necessarily true.  Maybe it's equivalent in average terms, but he'd receive the equivalent of $14.1 million next year.  That would put him as the 30th highest paid player in the NBA (compared to this year's salaries), more than guys like DeMarcus Cousins, Tony Parker, and Steph Curry.  The only non-superstars making more than him are generally the guys where you say "yep, he's overpaid".  It's certainly not the going rate for a starting, non-star wing; just because Dallas overpaid for Parsons doesn't mean other teams should follow suit, setting a new market for non-top tier talent.

This offseason, it will become the going rate. We won't be able to sign this year's free agents at last year's numbers.

Except of course for the years where the cap hasn't exploded.  You know, the early years where the Celtics are still in the "add more talent" phase. 


That's where overpaying (which this would be) hurts the team.  (unless you want to wait those couple of years until the cap explodes to continue the talent adding phase)

If we aren't willing to pay enough to sign a quality free agent, then we haven't succeeded in the "add more talent" phase.

My opinion is that no one is going to want to take our offer if we are offering a deal that favors the C's. If we are unwilling to outbid or at least match on some players this summer then we will end up with no one. I'm not interested in saving our cap flexibility for next season, because more teams will have cap space and our flexibility will thus be devalued by the market.

Honestly as long as the C's are able to improve their play at the 3 and the 5 I will be happy. If they can trade for players that fill those needs on contracts that are more reasonable than the ones we would sign a potential free agent to, all the better.

What I am wary of is, refusing to go the extra mile on a free agent after exhausting other opportunities and coming away with no quality talent added this summer.

Overpaying for talent is overpaying for talent. 


That has nothing to do with a contract favoring the Celtics, its about finding fair contracts.  Sure, they may have to be small overpayment, but 15 million a year is a terrible contract.

I agree overpaying for talent is overpaying for talent. I don't agree that $15 MM will be anything more than a slight overpay when we see the contracts handed out this offseason.

[wdleehi]

Here is a result for middleton and his equivalent contract as of today would be 10.73 millions.

Well, that's not necessarily true.  Maybe it's equivalent in average terms, but he'd receive the equivalent of $14.1 million next year.  That would put him as the 30th highest paid player in the NBA (compared to this year's salaries), more than guys like DeMarcus Cousins, Tony Parker, and Steph Curry.  The only non-superstars making more than him are generally the guys where you say "yep, he's overpaid".  It's certainly not the going rate for a starting, non-star wing; just because Dallas overpaid for Parsons doesn't mean other teams should follow suit, setting a new market for non-top tier talent.

This offseason, it will become the going rate. We won't be able to sign this year's free agents at last year's numbers.

Except of course for the years where the cap hasn't exploded.  You know, the early years where the Celtics are still in the "add more talent" phase. 


That's where overpaying (which this would be) hurts the team.  (unless you want to wait those couple of years until the cap explodes to continue the talent adding phase)

If we aren't willing to pay enough to sign a quality free agent, then we haven't succeeded in the "add more talent" phase.

My opinion is that no one is going to want to take our offer if we are offering a deal that favors the C's. If we are unwilling to outbid or at least match on some players this summer then we will end up with no one. I'm not interested in saving our cap flexibility for next season, because more teams will have cap space and our flexibility will thus be devalued by the market.

Honestly as long as the C's are able to improve their play at the 3 and the 5 I will be happy. If they can trade for players that fill those needs on contracts that are more reasonable than the ones we would sign a potential free agent to, all the better.

What I am wary of is, refusing to go the extra mile on a free agent after exhausting other opportunities and coming away with no quality talent added this summer.

Overpaying for talent is overpaying for talent. 


That has nothing to do with a contract favoring the Celtics, its about finding fair contracts.  Sure, they may have to be small overpayment, but 15 million a year is a terrible contract.

I agree overpaying for talent is overpaying for talent. I don't agree that $15 MM will be anything more than a slight overpay when we see the contracts handed out this offseason.

Just because other teams overpay for players, doesn't mean we want to see the Celtics overpay for players.  We want the opposite.  We want to be the team that stays smart with their money while other teams blow all their found money on the first players that says yes to them. 

[Csfan1984]

Not news with cap going up its expected. Also expected Bucks match any offer.

[Moranis]

Middleton at 15 million a year is ridiculous.  Even at the 10.73 million fuzzy math number, it is still ridiculous.