Rondo not getting playoff share?

[Eddie20]

Mean-spirited move, if you ask me.

Regardless of what Rajon Rondo did (or not), he did suit up in 2 playoff games.

Instead of just cutting losses and moving on, DAL is choosing to make this a media farce.

It is better to pin their playoff showing on Rajon Rondo than face the fact that THIS Dirk and Tyson are 4 years older than the ones that took the floor in 2011. It is also a sad showing that another player I like a lot (Chandler Parsons) was not able to suit up as well.

So let's ignore all these things and pin the loss on Rajon Rondo - by choosing to not play him playoff shares?

You kidding me?

Mark Cuban said some disparaging things about other players who left, too. I love Cuban, but at the end of the day you separate your personal feelings from some issues like this. Just cut your losses and move on.

We ALL have to account for the things we do. You can't be mean-spirited like this as an organization.

Do you think Rondo is holding himself accountable for how things transpired this season? Particularly, the postseason?

I am sure he is. According to KG's comments about him, he is a reflective - yet hardheaded at times - person.

I am also certain that there are other things at play with him as well that we don't know about - as we discussed before, Don.

I can also hope that Rick Carlylse and other DAL players are holding themselves accountable, too.

As Celtics Fans, we always discuss TEAM play. Team Play is what Celtics Basketball is all about. Other teams attempt to focus on team, but not many carry through with Team Ball.

Team Ball also means that you WIN and LOSE as a team.

If DAL beat HOU, overcame the issue with Rondo and Coach Carlylse, ended up winning that series and moving on I doubt that this would've happened.

Sounds like someone in DAL is unhappy that Tyson couldn't keep Dwight off the boards and The Bearded One did as he pleased.

As fans, sadly - we never know ALL the story. Only what ESPN and other media outlets feed us.

It also doesn't help that Rajon Rondo failed miserably Media 101. We have ALL discussed this on CelticsBlog before.

What are you talking about? You don't think that Mavs players not voting for him to get part of the playoff share is telling you who is to blame? It sounds like you don't want to know and/or accept the truth simply because it puts your boy in a negative light. So instead you continue to make unsubstantiated assumptions that ESPN has some sort of personal vendetta against such a marginal player.

"The truth was that the Mavs didn’t want Rondo, who was going to be replaced in the starting lineup regardless, pouting and rubbing off on other players, [Monta] Ellis in particular," MacMahon wrote. "Essentially, the Mavs made a drastic move in an attempt to do damage control on a chemistry crisis."

Being forced to the bench by a nonexistent injury is one thing, but it's another to have your teammates vote down your playoff share. That's what happened with Rondo and the Mavs this year, per Eddie Sefko of the Dallas Morning News.

For the playoffs, participating players receive shares of the revenue created by the league, with varying dollar figures for each round. Receiving playoff shares is contingent on a team vote, though, and Rondo's teammates decided he didn't earn his share.

[jpotter33]

Fully support it. If he's going to go half-arse through several games then just literally quit the team in the most important part of the season, he doesn't deserve that extra money. I mean, what happens when you just walk out of a regular job and don't show up? You get fired. This is like a bonus that he's not getting. Non-story.

[jpotter33]

Mean-spirited move, if you ask me.

Regardless of what Rajon Rondo did (or not), he did suit up in 2 playoff games.

Instead of just cutting losses and moving on, DAL is choosing to make this a media farce.

It is better to pin their playoff showing on Rajon Rondo than face the fact that THIS Dirk and Tyson are 4 years older than the ones that took the floor in 2011. It is also a sad showing that another player I like a lot (Chandler Parsons) was not able to suit up as well.

So let's ignore all these things and pin the loss on Rajon Rondo - by choosing to not play him playoff shares?

You kidding me?

Mark Cuban said some disparaging things about other players who left, too. I love Cuban, but at the end of the day you separate your personal feelings from some issues like this. Just cut your losses and move on.

We ALL have to account for the things we do. You can't be mean-spirited like this as an organization.

Do you think Rondo is holding himself accountable for how things transpired this season? Particularly, the postseason?

I am sure he is. According to KG's comments about him, he is a reflective - yet hardheaded at times - person.

I am also certain that there are other things at play with him as well that we don't know about - as we discussed before, Don.

I can also hope that Rick Carlylse and other DAL players are holding themselves accountable, too.

As Celtics Fans, we always discuss TEAM play. Team Play is what Celtics Basketball is all about. Other teams attempt to focus on team, but not many carry through with Team Ball.

Team Ball also means that you WIN and LOSE as a team.

If DAL beat HOU, overcame the issue with Rondo and Coach Carlylse, ended up winning that series and moving on I doubt that this would've happened.

Sounds like someone in DAL is unhappy that Tyson couldn't keep Dwight off the boards and The Bearded One did as he pleased.

As fans, sadly - we never know ALL the story. Only what ESPN and other media outlets feed us.

It also doesn't help that Rajon Rondo failed miserably Media 101. We have ALL discussed this on CelticsBlog before.

What are you talking about? You don't think that Mavs players not voting for him to get part of the playoff share is telling you who is to blame? It sounds like you don't want to know and/or accept the truth simply because it puts your boy in a negative light. So instead you continue to make unsubstantiated assumptions that ESPN has some sort of personal vendetta against such a marginal player.

"The truth was that the Mavs didn’t want Rondo, who was going to be replaced in the starting lineup regardless, pouting and rubbing off on other players, [Monta] Ellis in particular," MacMahon wrote. "Essentially, the Mavs made a drastic move in an attempt to do damage control on a chemistry crisis."

Being forced to the bench by a nonexistent injury is one thing, but it's another to have your teammates vote down your playoff share. That's what happened with Rondo and the Mavs this year, per Eddie Sefko of the Dallas Morning News.

For the playoffs, participating players receive shares of the revenue created by the league, with varying dollar figures for each round. Receiving playoff shares is contingent on a team vote, though, and Rondo's teammates decided he didn't earn his share.

Chandler didn't have very kind words for him either.

[RJ87]

I imagine the relationship between Rondo and the other players/coach was even uglier than we've seen.   Cutting ties with him completely only 10 minutes into Game 2?... things must have gotten heated in the lockerroom during Rondo's short cancerous stay.

Except it was reported that Rondo's behavior had been good after the initial on court issue with Carlisle. Tim MacMahon basically reports whatever leak he gets and his most recent piece - http://espn.go.com/nba/playoffs/2015/story/_/id/12710897/rick-carlisle-eyes-rajon-rondo-no-jason-kidd - he talks about how much their relationship had improved since then. Even after game 2, there was no blowout, heated fight in the lockerroom. It was reported that Carlisle addressed the team briefly and Rondo left.

Rondo didn't work out there at all and lack of chemistry with his teammates seems to be a reason, but other than the initial incident with Carlisle several Mavs reporters had said Rondo pretty much was on his best behavior. But I know you'll continue to speculate and say otherwise.

[Boris Badenov]

This sounds like a bigger story than it really is when you do the math based on the numbers in that ESPN story from D.o.s.

Worst case Rondo missed out on $13,929.33, if you divide their playoff share equally by 15 guys (though Rondo gets less if they divide by minutes or games played or something else). 

Rondo made $12,909,091 this year, so for comparison if you make $50k a year, that's like finding out your boss handed out $50 Starbucks gift cards after you quit half way through a project ($53.95 to be exact), or it's like missing out on $107.90 bonus if you make $100k per year.

I don't think too many of us regular folks would care if that happened to us.

This could easily cost him millions on his next contract, though.

It's one thing to have issues with your coach, but in many such situations the players will still be loyal to each other.

Now Rondo may be more likely to be perceived as someone who's both difficult to coach and not well liked by his teammates. It could cost him dearly.

[GreenFaith1819]

I imagine the relationship between Rondo and the other players/coach was even uglier than we've seen.   Cutting ties with him completely only 10 minutes into Game 2?... things must have gotten heated in the lockerroom during Rondo's short cancerous stay.

Except it was reported that Rondo's behavior had been good after the initial on court issue with Carlisle. Tim MacMahon basically reports whatever leak he gets and his most recent piece - http://espn.go.com/nba/playoffs/2015/story/_/id/12710897/rick-carlisle-eyes-rajon-rondo-no-jason-kidd - he talks about how much their relationship had improved since then. Even after game 2, there was no blowout, heated fight in the lockerroom. It was reported that Carlisle addressed the team briefly and Rondo left.

Rondo didn't work out there at all and lack of chemistry with his teammates seems to be a reason, but other than the initial incident with Carlisle several Mavs reporters had said Rondo pretty much was on his best behavior. But I know you'll continue to speculate and say otherwise.

Good point, RJ.

Lot of speculation going on, and who's to say what the truth is?

Not sure if McMahon is reporting entire story or, as a Mavs Beat writer, perhaps he is picking and choosing sides.

[GreenFaith1819]

Mean-spirited move, if you ask me.

Regardless of what Rajon Rondo did (or not), he did suit up in 2 playoff games.

Instead of just cutting losses and moving on, DAL is choosing to make this a media farce.

It is better to pin their playoff showing on Rajon Rondo than face the fact that THIS Dirk and Tyson are 4 years older than the ones that took the floor in 2011. It is also a sad showing that another player I like a lot (Chandler Parsons) was not able to suit up as well.

So let's ignore all these things and pin the loss on Rajon Rondo - by choosing to not play him playoff shares?

You kidding me?

Mark Cuban said some disparaging things about other players who left, too. I love Cuban, but at the end of the day you separate your personal feelings from some issues like this. Just cut your losses and move on.

We ALL have to account for the things we do. You can't be mean-spirited like this as an organization.

Do you think Rondo is holding himself accountable for how things transpired this season? Particularly, the postseason?

I am sure he is. According to KG's comments about him, he is a reflective - yet hardheaded at times - person.

I am also certain that there are other things at play with him as well that we don't know about - as we discussed before, Don.

I can also hope that Rick Carlylse and other DAL players are holding themselves accountable, too.

As Celtics Fans, we always discuss TEAM play. Team Play is what Celtics Basketball is all about. Other teams attempt to focus on team, but not many carry through with Team Ball.

Team Ball also means that you WIN and LOSE as a team.

If DAL beat HOU, overcame the issue with Rondo and Coach Carlylse, ended up winning that series and moving on I doubt that this would've happened.

Sounds like someone in DAL is unhappy that Tyson couldn't keep Dwight off the boards and The Bearded One did as he pleased.

As fans, sadly - we never know ALL the story. Only what ESPN and other media outlets feed us.

It also doesn't help that Rajon Rondo failed miserably Media 101. We have ALL discussed this on CelticsBlog before.

What are you talking about? You don't think that Mavs players not voting for him to get part of the playoff share is telling you who is to blame? It sounds like you don't want to know and/or accept the truth simply because it puts your boy in a negative light. So instead you continue to make unsubstantiated assumptions that ESPN has some sort of personal vendetta against such a marginal player.

"The truth was that the Mavs didn’t want Rondo, who was going to be replaced in the starting lineup regardless, pouting and rubbing off on other players, [Monta] Ellis in particular," MacMahon wrote. "Essentially, the Mavs made a drastic move in an attempt to do damage control on a chemistry crisis."

Being forced to the bench by a nonexistent injury is one thing, but it's another to have your teammates vote down your playoff share. That's what happened with Rondo and the Mavs this year, per Eddie Sefko of the Dallas Morning News.

For the playoffs, participating players receive shares of the revenue created by the league, with varying dollar figures for each round. Receiving playoff shares is contingent on a team vote, though, and Rondo's teammates decided he didn't earn his share.

Chandler didn't have very kind words for him either.

Link, please?

And - earlier in the thread - it was reported that Rajon Rondo wasn't even on the list to be voted on.

Now I'm a bit confused by the stories here....I'm assuming that the perception of him not even being on the roster to be voted on for shares was way above the Mavs players' heads, anyway - not the Mavs players choice themselves.

This, I'm assuming by the conflicting stories here - seemed to be on Mavs ownership.

[Eddie20]

I imagine the relationship between Rondo and the other players/coach was even uglier than we've seen.   Cutting ties with him completely only 10 minutes into Game 2?... things must have gotten heated in the lockerroom during Rondo's short cancerous stay.

Except it was reported that Rondo's behavior had been good after the initial on court issue with Carlisle. Tim MacMahon basically reports whatever leak he gets and his most recent piece - http://espn.go.com/nba/playoffs/2015/story/_/id/12710897/rick-carlisle-eyes-rajon-rondo-no-jason-kidd - he talks about how much their relationship had improved since then. Even after game 2, there was no blowout, heated fight in the lockerroom. It was reported that Carlisle addressed the team briefly and Rondo left.

Rondo didn't work out there at all and lack of chemistry with his teammates seems to be a reason, but other than the initial incident with Carlisle several Mavs reporters had said Rondo pretty much was on his best behavior. But I know you'll continue to speculate and say otherwise.

That's not entirely true. It was reported that Carlisle and Rondo pretty much ignored each other following the locker room blowup. After game 2, Carlisle addressed the team briefly, but didn't address Rondo specifically. Rondo left, didn't talk to reporters, and that was that.

You can listen to McMahon talk about Rondo here. His interview starts around the 6:30 mark.

https://player.fm/series/grantland-sports/nba-after-dark-42315

[RJ87]

I imagine the relationship between Rondo and the other players/coach was even uglier than we've seen.   Cutting ties with him completely only 10 minutes into Game 2?... things must have gotten heated in the lockerroom during Rondo's short cancerous stay.

Except it was reported that Rondo's behavior had been good after the initial on court issue with Carlisle. Tim MacMahon basically reports whatever leak he gets and his most recent piece - http://espn.go.com/nba/playoffs/2015/story/_/id/12710897/rick-carlisle-eyes-rajon-rondo-no-jason-kidd - he talks about how much their relationship had improved since then. Even after game 2, there was no blowout, heated fight in the lockerroom. It was reported that Carlisle addressed the team briefly and Rondo left.

Rondo didn't work out there at all and lack of chemistry with his teammates seems to be a reason, but other than the initial incident with Carlisle several Mavs reporters had said Rondo pretty much was on his best behavior. But I know you'll continue to speculate and say otherwise.

Good point, RJ.

Lot of speculation going on, and who's to say what the truth is?

Not sure if McMahon is reporting entire story or, as a Mavs Beat writer, perhaps he is picking and choosing sides.

He's actually a big Rondo critic and hasn't hesitated to be negative about him. If he had something juicy to spill, he'd do it. About a month ago, he wrote a pretty interesting article about Monta's ongoing personality issues and the lockerroom stuff surrounding Monta. When someone on Twitter asked if Rondo was influencing him, he said Monta's issues preceded Rondo's arrival and that Rondo had been on his best behavior since the Carlisle blow up.

[CelticSooner]

There's already a report out there that the Lakers are trying to low ball him and he isn't a huge priority after what transpired this season. I don't see anyone giving him close to a max deal. He might make about what he makes now $12 mill if that.

[celticsclay]

I imagine the relationship between Rondo and the other players/coach was even uglier than we've seen.   Cutting ties with him completely only 10 minutes into Game 2?... things must have gotten heated in the lockerroom during Rondo's short cancerous stay.

Except it was reported that Rondo's behavior had been good after the initial on court issue with Carlisle. Tim MacMahon basically reports whatever leak he gets and his most recent piece - http://espn.go.com/nba/playoffs/2015/story/_/id/12710897/rick-carlisle-eyes-rajon-rondo-no-jason-kidd - he talks about how much their relationship had improved since then. Even after game 2, there was no blowout, heated fight in the lockerroom. It was reported that Carlisle addressed the team briefly and Rondo left.

Rondo didn't work out there at all and lack of chemistry with his teammates seems to be a reason, but other than the initial incident with Carlisle several Mavs reporters had said Rondo pretty much was on his best behavior. But I know you'll continue to speculate and say otherwise.

Good point, RJ.

Lot of speculation going on, and who's to say what the truth is?

Not sure if McMahon is reporting entire story or, as a Mavs Beat writer, perhaps he is picking and choosing sides.

He's actually a big Rondo critic and hasn't hesitated to be negative about him. If he had something juicy to spill, he'd do it. About a month ago, he wrote a pretty interesting article about Monta's ongoing personality issues and the lockerroom stuff surrounding Monta. When someone on Twitter asked if Rondo was influencing him, he said Monta's issues preceded Rondo's arrival and that Rondo had been on his best behavior since the Carlisle blow up.

I was really hoping there would be a lengthy discussion of whether Rondo receives 14k or not. Man... offseason

[RJ87]

There's already a report out there that the Lakers are trying to low ball him and he isn't a huge priority after what transpired this season. I don't see anyone giving him close to a max deal. He might make about what he makes now $12 mill if that.

I expect he'll likely sign a 2 year deal in the range of $20m, with the 2nd year being a team or player option. Basically a one year, show us what you have left deal.

[Endless Paradise]

The running idea is that the list of players to be compensated omitted Rondo and no one in the locker room raised any objections, which is most certainly telling in itself.

Also, re: Tyson Chandler:

“We traded a lot of pieces for a point guard that’s not with us.”

He didn't quite throw Rondo under the bus.

[D Dub]

There's already a report out there that the Lakers are trying to low ball him and he isn't a huge priority after what transpired this season. I don't see anyone giving him close to a max deal. He might make about what he makes now $12 mill if that.

I expect he'll likely sign a 2 year deal in the range of $20m, with the 2nd year being a team or player option. Basically a one year, show us what you have left deal.

Why pay Rondo $10m when no one else in the league is willing to give him 5? 

[GreenFaith1819]

The running idea is that the list of players to be compensated omitted Rondo and no one in the locker room raised any objections, which is most certainly telling in itself.

Also, re: Tyson Chandler:

“We traded a lot of pieces for a point guard that’s not with us.”

He didn't quite throw Rondo under the bus.

Running Ideas are not truth.

And even in that Podcast, whoever Chris is says some pretty disparaging things about Rick Carlylse as well.

Some pretty disparaging comments said about Cuban as well - placing the blame at HIS feet.