Simmons/Windhorst Podcast

[Evantime34]

I agree with their assessment of the current team and they don't have any stars. With the C's getting swept there isn't any reason to argue that point.

However, I have faith that we are going to add a player who could stop on a top 10 team. Who that player is I'm not sure, but I wouldn't be surprised if it is Marcus Smart by next year.

To me the best part of the podcast was the stories about how the LeBron and Pierce beef started, it's that type of insider info that I tune into the bsreport for.

[Casperian]

Spot on.  I was saying pretty much the same thing in the threads and getting ripped apart for it. 

Oh noes, how could they?

Who would've thought Celtics fans on a Celtics forum might want to enjoy the Celtics' playoff run while it lasted?

Are you okay, or does it still hurt?

[Evantime34]

Spot on.  I was saying pretty much the same thing in the threads and getting ripped apart for it. 

Oh noes, how could they?

Who would've thought Celtics fans on a Celtics forum might want to enjoy the Celtics' playoff run while it lasted?

Are you okay, or does it still hurt?

My problem with the negative people was never them accurately stating that this team isn't currently great. My problem was with those who won't even entertain the idea that we could get better this offseason without the benefit of a lotto pick (I'm pretty sure this wasn't you thought LarBrd33).

I was not trying to hear how awful this team would be long term when I was trying to enjoy a truly unexpected playoff run.

[Celtics4ever]

If we rip this team apart further and tank hard next year, where is this star coming from that puts us  in the Playoffs in 2017?

I am glad we made the playoffs it was fun even though we got swept.   I don't think we will make them next year with several teams bouncing back unless Ainge pulls off a miracle, which is less likely given how he usually wins any trades he does.   GMs look  at the KG trade, the Rondo trade and PP to NJ deals and see he flat out fleeced the other teams.   I would be scared to deal with him because he so good at what he does.

We really need to find an Al Jefferson level talent at 16 again.  We have some cash but I am skeptical what we can bring in.

I think we lack talent, in some ways we lack size, and we have some guys who are not athletic.   We need to improve all three and develop the guys we have.

[Evantime34]

If we rip this team apart further and tank hard next year, where is this star coming from that puts us  in the Playoffs in 2017?

I am glad we made the playoffs it was fun even though we got swept.   I don't think we will make them next year with several teams bouncing back unless Ainge pulls off a miracle, which is less likely given how he usually wins any trades he does.   GMs look  at the KG trade, the Rondo trade and PP to NJ deals and see he flat out fleeced the other teams.   I would be scared to deal with him because he so good at what he does.

We really need to find an Al Jefferson level talent at 16 again.  We have some cash but I am skeptical what we can bring in.

I think we lack talent, in some ways we lack size, and we have some guys who are not athletic.   We need to improve all three and develop the guys we have.

Who do you think is going to be better than us in the Atlantic?

[aporel#18]

Celtics are a better team than Cleveland, the LeBrons just happen to have a lot more talent on their roster, but they aren't a great TEAM. They are assembled to win, have talented players and all the calls in the world, but against a real great team they have little chance.

Celtics need a lot of talent, they're not a couple pieces away, it will take 2-3 years to develop/trade/draft the next Celtics contending team. There are no shortcuts and the best thing is preparing ourself for the trip.

Simmons and Windhorst are not basketball experts, they're communicators but they don't know the trade like Ainge or Coach Stevens. I'd trust the real pros, and take podcasts and "experts" for what they are: entertainment.

[indeedproceed]

Celtics are a better team than Cleveland, the LeBrons just happen to have a lot more talent on their roster, but they aren't a great TEAM. They are assembled to win, have talented players and all the calls in the world, but against a real great team they have little chance.

Celtics need a lot of talent, they're not a couple pieces away, it will take 2-3 years to develop/trade/draft the next Celtics contending team. There are no shortcuts and the best thing is preparing ourself for the trip.

Simmons and Windhorst are not basketball experts, they're communicators but they don't know the trade like Ainge or Coach Stevens. I'd trust the real pros, and take podcasts and "experts" for what they are: entertainment.

Look, I'm a better sprinter than he is. I train harder, I have better form, and I want to win more than he does. Sure, he's faster than I am, almost absurdly so, but I'm a better runner if we're not talking about who is faster.

[More Banners]

Celtics are a better team than Cleveland, the LeBrons just happen to have a lot more talent on their roster, but they aren't a great TEAM. They are assembled to win, have talented players and all the calls in the world, but against a real great team they have little chance.

Celtics need a lot of talent, they're not a couple pieces away, it will take 2-3 years to develop/trade/draft the next Celtics contending team. There are no shortcuts and the best thing is preparing ourself for the trip.

Simmons and Windhorst are not basketball experts, they're communicators but they don't know the trade like Ainge or Coach Stevens. I'd trust the real pros, and take podcasts and "experts" for what they are: entertainment.

The worst to first transformation has happened, and we do have the trade bait, perhaps, to do it again, however...

Shorter contracts and an increasing cap will really cut down on the fire sales.

Making the playoffs sent a strong message that the Cs play to win. Let's hope that has some appeal.

[fairweatherfan]

Celtics are a better team than Cleveland, the LeBrons just happen to have a lot more talent on their roster, but they aren't a great TEAM. They are assembled to win, have talented players and all the calls in the world, but against a real great team they have little chance.

Celtics need a lot of talent, they're not a couple pieces away, it will take 2-3 years to develop/trade/draft the next Celtics contending team. There are no shortcuts and the best thing is preparing ourself for the trip.

Simmons and Windhorst are not basketball experts, they're communicators but they don't know the trade like Ainge or Coach Stevens. I'd trust the real pros, and take podcasts and "experts" for what they are: entertainment.

Look, I'm a better sprinter than he is. I train harder, I have better form, and I want to win more than he does. Sure, he's faster than I am, almost absurdly so, but I'm a better runner if we're not talking about who is faster.

After all this time, you still don't see?  The sprinting doesn't happen here *points to track through chain link fence, as it's currently closed to people not fast enough to make the team*.  It happens HERE *points to ur heart*. 

So in a sense, you were the better sprinter all along.  But in another, more accurate sense, that guy can dust you without even trying.  But he can't dust your heart.  He can never dust your heart.

[PhoSita]

Celtics are a better team than Cleveland, the LeBrons just happen to have a lot more talent on their roster, but they aren't a great TEAM. They are assembled to win, have talented players and all the calls in the world, but against a real great team they have little chance.

Celtics need a lot of talent, they're not a couple pieces away, it will take 2-3 years to develop/trade/draft the next Celtics contending team. There are no shortcuts and the best thing is preparing ourself for the trip.

Simmons and Windhorst are not basketball experts, they're communicators but they don't know the trade like Ainge or Coach Stevens. I'd trust the real pros, and take podcasts and "experts" for what they are: entertainment.

Look, I'm a better sprinter than he is. I train harder, I have better form, and I want to win more than he does. Sure, he's faster than I am, almost absurdly so, but I'm a better runner if we're not talking about who is faster.

After all this time, you still don't see?  The sprinting doesn't happen here *points to track through chain link fence, as it's currently closed to people not fast enough to make the team*.  It happens HERE *points to ur heart*. 

So in a sense, you were the better sprinter all along.  But in another, more accurate sense, that guy can dust you without even trying.  But he can't dust your heart.  He can never dust your heart.

But it doesn't even matter!  He only made the team because he used PEDs!  Everyone on the track team just uses PEDs!

Clearly the only way to get on the track team is to start drinking, doing drugs, and shirking all exercise.  Just completely ruin your body.  Then, friends and family will intervene, send you to a great rehab center, get you some physical therapy.  Hook you up with everything you need to be in peak physical shape. 

Hitting rock bottom is the only way to make the track team.  Let's get drinking!  I heard Sam Hinkie talking to one of his pals in AP calc about getting high in the woods behind the baseball field.  Let's head over there now.

[indeedproceed]

Celtics are a better team than Cleveland, the LeBrons just happen to have a lot more talent on their roster, but they aren't a great TEAM. They are assembled to win, have talented players and all the calls in the world, but against a real great team they have little chance.

Celtics need a lot of talent, they're not a couple pieces away, it will take 2-3 years to develop/trade/draft the next Celtics contending team. There are no shortcuts and the best thing is preparing ourself for the trip.

Simmons and Windhorst are not basketball experts, they're communicators but they don't know the trade like Ainge or Coach Stevens. I'd trust the real pros, and take podcasts and "experts" for what they are: entertainment.

Look, I'm a better sprinter than he is. I train harder, I have better form, and I want to win more than he does. Sure, he's faster than I am, almost absurdly so, but I'm a better runner if we're not talking about who is faster.

After all this time, you still don't see?  The sprinting doesn't happen here *points to track through chain link fence, as it's currently closed to people not fast enough to make the team*.  It happens HERE *points to ur heart*. 

So in a sense, you were the better sprinter all along.  But in another, more accurate sense, that guy can dust you without even trying.  But he can't dust your heart.  He can never dust your heart.

haha. Well played.

[wdleehi]

The biggest hampering on the Celtics player in terms of trade is none of them have that "wow potential" connected to them.  They are a collection of solid to good players that will play hard. 


That, and the non-lotto picks this season will make trading for a star a challenge. 


That's why I think this will be another offseasons of filling up on future trade pieces.  To move the solid players for a chance at the "wow potential" to move later.

[fairweatherfan]

Celtics are a better team than Cleveland, the LeBrons just happen to have a lot more talent on their roster, but they aren't a great TEAM. They are assembled to win, have talented players and all the calls in the world, but against a real great team they have little chance.

Celtics need a lot of talent, they're not a couple pieces away, it will take 2-3 years to develop/trade/draft the next Celtics contending team. There are no shortcuts and the best thing is preparing ourself for the trip.

Simmons and Windhorst are not basketball experts, they're communicators but they don't know the trade like Ainge or Coach Stevens. I'd trust the real pros, and take podcasts and "experts" for what they are: entertainment.

Look, I'm a better sprinter than he is. I train harder, I have better form, and I want to win more than he does. Sure, he's faster than I am, almost absurdly so, but I'm a better runner if we're not talking about who is faster.

After all this time, you still don't see?  The sprinting doesn't happen here *points to track through chain link fence, as it's currently closed to people not fast enough to make the team*.  It happens HERE *points to ur heart*. 

So in a sense, you were the better sprinter all along.  But in another, more accurate sense, that guy can dust you without even trying.  But he can't dust your heart.  He can never dust your heart.

But it doesn't even matter!  He only made the team because he used PEDs!  Everyone on the track team just uses PEDs!

Clearly the only way to get on the track team is to start drinking, doing drugs, and shirking all exercise.  Just completely ruin your body.  Then, friends and family will intervene, send you to a great rehab center, get you some physical therapy.  Hook you up with everything you need to be in peak physical shape. 

Hitting rock bottom is the only way to make the track team.  Let's get drinking!  I heard Sam Hinkie talking to one of his pals in AP calc about getting high in the woods behind the baseball field.  Let's head over there now.

Hahaha.  Let's stack our team with guys who aren't very good runners, but might be someday!  And some of them should have broken legs.  Or already be on a track team in a different state.  We'll be a lock for the 2020 sectionals!

[PhoSita]

The biggest hampering on the Celtics player in terms of trade is none of them have that "wow potential" connected to them.  They are a collection of solid to good players that will play hard. 


That, and the non-lotto picks this season will make trading for a star a challenge. 


That's why I think this will be another offseasons of filling up on future trade pieces.  To move the solid players for a chance at the "wow potential" to move later.

Put another way, the conundrum for the Celtics is that teams are rarely in a position to trade lottery picks or lottery talents for decent young role players on affordable contracts.  Yet, it rarely makes sense to trade decent young role players on affordable contracts unless you are getting a lottery pick or a lottery talent in return.

Except when you're looking to tear down your team for the sole purpose of losing games, that is.


Anytime a star player becomes available for trade, other teams in the same position as the Celtics but with a top pick or young prospects who have that "potential star" shine to them will step in and trump the pile of role players and decent future picks that the Celtics can offer.

[Evantime34]

That's why I think this will be another offseasons of filling up on future trade pieces.  To move the solid players for a chance at the "wow potential" to move later.

I can see that happening, but that has to be the worst case scenario right? I think the development of our young players will improve the team incrementally.

It seems that the prevailing wisdom on this board seems that if the C's don't make any moves then they will be back in the lottery next year which I don't agree with.