4) S&T using $12.9mm Rondo exception + future #2 for a scoring wing (M Ellis, Middleton)
You have to renounce that trade exception to create the cap space to do the free agent signings you mentioned.
Yep.
Which is why I maintain that the Celtics will not have big cap space this offseason. Ainge will use the TPEs, MLE, and keep cap holds from his UFAs in the event that he can use them in sign and trade.
You're basing this off on? You renounce the TPEs, trade/stretch Wallace, you'd have $29-$32+ million give or take in cap space.
See my edit above re: UFA cap holds.
Ainge would have to renounce a lot of potential assets to free up the cap space to lure a max free agent. It seems counter to his style.
Renouncing UFA cap holds is pointless to consider. If you're signing a free-agent you're after, you renounce them. It's really not worth giving thought to that.
The only one you wouldn't do is Crowder solely because his cap hold is very small, and you can sign him to a bigger contract after all our FAs signings, if any.
I think that's only if you a) are not bringing Bass or Jerebko back and b) not interested in signing and trading them to other teams for additional assets. I think both have value on the market.
I guess the question is whether Boston can land a franchise cornerstone in FA using cap space, or whether it's better to use the Rondo and Prince TPEs, sign and trade options, and the MLE to build a better roster. I think the second route is a more prudent use of assets.
I don't think you have to favor any one route to consider potential cap space. If a free-agent you're actually interested in wants to sign, none of those issues should impede the signing... and more importantly, you still retain your future assets.
And yes, the interest in bringing Bass and/or Jerebko is very very small to us. That said, their cap hold is quite higher than whatever we'd be willing to retain them for, so renouncing their rights is not that important once is all said and done.
And if the interest is in keeping Bass or Jerebko, and have enough left over to do the moves you want, then you simply go and do it and reduce their cap hold they might have on us.
There's a lot of things you can do whatever way you want to go about it.
The important part is that these issues shouldn't impede our team of creating cap space if the opportunity to sign a player of interest is available.
Well, yeah. There are a lot of options.
But if freeing up the maximum amount of cap space possible is the path to take, it involves burning a lot of assets that I believe a GM like Ainge could actually leverage into a greater return.
If Ainge does get signals from a free agent that Boston is high on the list, I'm sure we're see him clear that cap space. But that course of option seems counter to Ainge's MO.
I seem to remember Ainge commenting on how spending cap space yielded a comparatively poor return, because you have to overbid/outbid the competition. I'll see if I can find it.
You're not freeing up the maximum amount of cap space possible for the sake of doing it. You'd be doing it for a very specific purpose, and only then. So it isn't about "oh no Ainge renounced everything and got nothing out of it", that's really not the issue, but going after target players. Now are those target players worth it or not? That's another discussion entirely.
The point is that we have the ability and the ease to generate plenty of cap space if/when needed. Nothing more and nothing less.
As for spending cap space and yielding poor return, that's mostly about using cap space unwisely... mainly because you get stuck with the wrong players and their long contracts, and lose all the flexibility you have going for you.
That's not the case with this Summer and with this team. This Summer and this team's circumstances are quite peculiar. For example, we can spend all our cap space this year AND when 2016 comes around have cap space to spend once again, and plenty of it... that very rarely happens, it's not normal. And secondly, we have a lot of future and young assets to trade and develop, that's also very very unusual.
So take those comments with a grain of salt. For example, everyone talked about trying to get cap space during the big 3 era, or not keeping X players because of having a higher payroll, I was contrary to those visions. For free-agency I've been very averse about spending money if it isn't for the right player (when using cap space).... but with the new deals that come into effect soon, this is not the time for prudence as far as using cap space is concerned. It's time to outbid and overspend, else you'll be left behind.
But thankfully, if we don't manage to spend, we have other instruments at our disposal to improve the team, as the TPEs and draft picks.
In the end, the important part of this discussion is that cap space can be had if needed. It's not a matter of "I don't think we'd have a lot of cap space to spend", that's simply false. It's a choice, not a restriction.
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