If we get pick #15 or #16 in the draft, what do we trade to move up into top 8?

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Can we just look at Marcus Smart's value drop as an example of an unnamed draft pick's value? Right now some might ask for him and #15 for #8 but he was # in last year's draft. This is not because he is not a good player but rather that you know more or less what you are receiving! It's essentially like asking for #6 and #15 for #8... think about that kids.

[Beat LA]

If we actually do attempt to trade up, I have a feeling that the wheeling and dealing will exhibit something like this (sarcasm), ahaha -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8H2FIf1oH4

[mahcus smaht]

Can we just look at Marcus Smart's value drop as an example of an unnamed draft pick's value? Right now some might ask for him and #15 for #8 but he was # in last year's draft. This is not because he is not a good player but rather that you know more or less what you are receiving! It's essentially like asking for #6 and #15 for #8... think about that kids.

There are a few problems with your theory.
First, no one in there right minds is legitimately suggesting moving Smart and 15 for #8. LarBrd said it probably because he is grumpy we didnt get in the top 10 on our own so hes pulling a classic angry girlfriend tactic and making it seem like a simple problem is absolutely gigantic. Im pretty sure Sacramento would give up their #1 for Smart. Now I could be wrong, but Id think theyd at least consider it. Sacremento picks #6 this year.

Second, could you get Elfrid Payton (whom half this blog adores and I can see why) for the #10 pick? How about Nurkic for #16. What about Clarkson for #46.

Third, your idea to wait until the player is selected is a bit flawed. Sure value drops a bit as Im sure most teams hold out hope that a certain guy drops but unless a team is disapointed in the player they selected, that players value doesnt all of a sudden drop, not significantly at least. Once you get into the season it might start to drop if a player struggles (see Stauskas) but not immediately after being drafted. In fact, if I was in a front office, once I select a player I am buying into him. I am not looking to give up on him.

Before the draft materializes certain GMs may overate picks because of the mystery and potential behind them. however, once the draft order is set and the tiers of talent available come into focus the #8 pick is worth whoever goes #8. If the team at #8 wasnt happy with the options available they would have traded out then, simple as that.

[OutsiderBox]

Mahcus,

If someone walked up to you and offered you either WCS or the 6th pick in the daft which one would you take?

(The thing is, the Celtics, as it looks right now don't NEED all the delicious strings attached to that 6th pick and would prefer WCS but other front office might not be so high on the guy and trade him for less than they would the prestigious yet anonymous "6th pick")

[csfansince60s]

The answer to the question posed in topic is very simple........

The answer is "a whole crapload more than if we had the 10th pick" (or the #1 or #2 if we got real lucky like Cleveland did last year).

If that is Danny's desire to move into the top 8 to get someone he really likes, he is going to have to give up substantial assets that could have been used in other trades to bring established players here. You can spin this making  the playoffs thing anyway that you want (and there are some really inventive spins on here), but in the long and short run, it's gonna cost us more than it's worth, except maybe to the vendors at the Garden and ownership from the 2 playoff games at the Garden .

But, oh wait, I forgot, our young assets will be worth so much more because their value will go up so much when they get annihilated by the Cavs, and we'll have those to trade up to maybe the top 4-5 because those assets will have appreciated so much. And the "playoff experience" they will get by having their arses handed to them will be so good for them.

Our kids are likeable, gutsy and fun to watch. They played so well the last two months, their value has appreciated already.

[Rondo9]

The answer to the question posed in topic is very simple........

The answer is "a whole crapload more than if we had the 10th pick" (or the #1 or #2 if we got real lucky like Cleveland did last year).

If that is Danny's desire to move into the top 8 to get someone he really likes, he is going to have to give up substantial assets that could have been used in other trades to bring established players here. You can spin this making  the playoffs thing anyway that you want (and there are some really inventive spins on here), but in the long and short run, it's gonna cost us more than it's worth, except maybe to the vendors at the Garden and ownership from the 2 playoff games at the Garden .

But, oh wait, I forgot, our young assets will be worth so much more because their value will go up so much when they get annihilated by the Cavs, and we'll have those to trade up to maybe the top 4-5 because those assets will have appreciated so much. And the "playoff experience" they will get by having their arses handed to them will be so good for them.

Our kids are likeable, gutsy and fun to watch. They played so well the last two months, their value has appreciated already.

They've traded Rondo, Green and the majority of the veterans and they got young players and draft picks. They keep on winning what more do you want?

[csfansince60s]

The answer to the question posed in topic is very simple........

The answer is "a whole crapload more than if we had the 10th pick" (or the #1 or #2 if we got real lucky like Cleveland did last year).

If that is Danny's desire to move into the top 8 to get someone he really likes, he is going to have to give up substantial assets that could have been used in other trades to bring established players here. You can spin this making  the playoffs thing anyway that you want (and there are some really inventive spins on here), but in the long and short run, it's gonna cost us more than it's worth, except maybe to the vendors at the Garden and ownership from the 2 playoff games at the Garden .

But, oh wait, I forgot, our young assets will be worth so much more because their value will go up so much when they get annihilated by the Cavs, and we'll have those to trade up to maybe the top 4-5 because those assets will have appreciated so much. And the "playoff experience" they will get by having their arses handed to them will be so good for them.

Our kids are likeable, gutsy and fun to watch. They played so well the last two months, their value has appreciated already.

They've traded Rondo, Green and the majority of the veterans and they got young players and draft picks. They keep on winning what more do you want?

I stand by my preference for getting the 10th pick and not making the playoffs versus the 16th pick and making the playoffs for the reasons I stated above.

Also, you pose a fair question, Rondo 9. In response, I guess I wanted my cake and wanted to eat it too.

I was very happy with Ainges moves and thrilled with the development of CBS as a professional coach and the performace of our team. I am more than OK with us trying to win AND winning the games that we did.

I'm NOT OK with the cHeat going 20-25 and the Nets going 22-26 since the first of the year. If they play .500 ball, the end result would've been that we played our hearts out, didn't get in and get #10 rather than 16, and the value of our players still goes up.

That's what I wanted, but the Leastern Conference sucks so bad, we get in because the cHeat, Nets, Pacers and Hornets fell apart. Danny said he didn't want this and I certainly didn't want this and because of key injuries throughout the year to the Pacers, cHeat, Hornets and Nets, we're in the playoffs and out of the lottery.

EDIT: cHeat just blew a lead in South Beach and lost. That's 20-26 now. That's our competition in the lEast for ya! There isn't any for the last two playoff spots, booby prizes.

[mahcus smaht]

Mahcus,

If someone walked up to you and offered you either WCS or the 6th pick in the daft which one would you take?

(The thing is, the Celtics, as it looks right now don't NEED all the delicious strings attached to that 6th pick and would prefer WCS but other front office might not be so high on the guy and trade him for less than they would the prestigious yet anonymous "6th pick")

I guess you are right, I hadnt looked at it that way but I think this is more the exception than the rule because I think when a team selects a player, his value goes way up just as a human thing. Now when the team is on the clock, that is when you pounce. When Sac is on the clock and they see the guys they really need (PFs and PGs) wont be BPA till pick 13 at the earliest, then you start talking to them about Sully and KO etc then the mystique of pick # 6 is gone because they know it isnt top 3 and they know Mudiay isnt falling to them etc.

[chambers]

The answer to the question posed in topic is very simple........

The answer is "a whole crapload more than if we had the 10th pick" (or the #1 or #2 if we got real lucky like Cleveland did last year).

If that is Danny's desire to move into the top 8 to get someone he really likes, he is going to have to give up substantial assets that could have been used in other trades to bring established players here. You can spin this making  the playoffs thing anyway that you want (and there are some really inventive spins on here), but in the long and short run, it's gonna cost us more than it's worth, except maybe to the vendors at the Garden and ownership from the 2 playoff games at the Garden .

But, oh wait, I forgot, our young assets will be worth so much more because their value will go up so much when they get annihilated by the Cavs, and we'll have those to trade up to maybe the top 4-5 because those assets will have appreciated so much. And the "playoff experience" they will get by having their arses handed to them will be so good for them.

Our kids are likeable, gutsy and fun to watch. They played so well the last two months, their value has appreciated already.

Yep the top 10 pick would have been nice. But who says a star player will be available for a trade by the time those Brooklyn picks come to suffice?
This is the reality we are facing now- the injuries to other teams are a huge part of why we are in this playoff hunt. Bringing in Isaiah Thomas got us a few more wins- but he's a valuable asset in a trade down the line too because of that scoring he's provided.
And if moves are made like trading Bradley, or trading Sully on draft night then we may find that with some healthier Eastern Conference teams next season that we fall back into the top 10 draft picks.
Pistons will have Reggie Jackson, Pacers will have Paul George, Nets will start the season with their entire starting 5 healthy for the first time in 2 years, and the Heat will have Bosh, Whiteside, Anderson, Dragic and Wade all healthy and ready to go, so next year won't be the cinderella story we've witnessed this season.
Of course we could sign Kawahi Leonard or Jimmy Butler (unlikely but who knows).

But Danny will prepare correctly and he now knows how good Stevens is as a coach.
Let's take a few random examples:
-We may trade Sully+a Brooklyn pick to the Kings for Willie Cauley Stein or Porzingris.
-We may trade Bradley and our own pick for Mario Heznoja if he's there.

Leaves us with:
Smart
Young
Heznoja
Olynyk
Willie Cauley Stein/Zeller

Thomas
Crowder (re signed)

That's a bottom 8 team in 2015 but it's got serious talent under Brad Stevens wing.
Anyway, I'm just saying it's not all doom and gloom just yet. We have a ridiculous amount of picks and assets to get this team some real potential talent, and we'll also have some cap room.

[footey]

If Danny feels there is a guy in the top ten that is going to be a stud and can get him by trading up, he will figure out a package to get him.

[clover]

I'm surprised that Dakari Johnson isn't projected to go until #38 (DraftExpress). If that were the case, I really wouldn't mind either Dekker and Johnson, with a couple of picks left over to bundle elsewhere, or Johnson and as good a SF as the other three picks could bring back.

Still really young, seems fundamentally sound and like he might have been somewhat hidden on Kentucky's loaded squad, with WCS a junior playing ahead of him.

[BDeCosta26]

I think some people aren't realizing that you can't just tank like Philly did. That was an elaborate, planned losing effort. They traded everyone of any value, signed a roster of D-Leaguers and hired a coach who understood what he was getting into while still being pretty good at getting his guys to not give up.

But with us, we hired Stevens, who's proven himself to be one of the best young coaches in the game, and a winner on every level. He knew it would be rough at first, and by the start of this year he knew we would be likely to trade Rondo and Green, but we couldn't purposely make him lose. He's the reason were looking to be headed for the playoffs. He's the reason this team has done so well since those trades and he's one of our greatest assets, an asset no one talks about enough when discussing the C's current rebuild. There's no way Ainge would ever try to force them to lose to not make the playoffs just for a slightly higher draft pick. He wouldn't risk losing Stevens for that.

So as we get closer to draft day and more people start saying "Well, Ainge screwed us but not tanking harder just to lose in the first round", they should think of that aspect of things. Stevens is an absolutely excellent coach who is a major piece of the foundation to the next Celtics contender. And Ainge isn't going to alienate him by destroying the great work he's done since those trades just for a few draft slots. Especially when we have so many assets available to move up.

[celticsfan8591]

I don't think it's worth it to trade up in this draft.  We aren't getting into the top 5 (where I think it's very likely we'd come away with a good player) from 16, and I don't think the guys in the 6-10 range are so much better than the guys who will  be there at 15 that it's worth giving up multiple assets to move up.  I'd rather keep our picks and have multiple shots at drafting a useful player.

[D.o.s.]

I love that a head coach who hasn't posted a positive NBA record can be referred to, unironically, as a winner on every level.

[BDeCosta26]

I love that a head coach who hasn't posted a positive NBA record can be referred to, unironically, as a winner on every level.

It's a figure of speech to mean that he's a guy who's not gonna accept losing for any reason other than just not being good enough. We could easily pull back from the playoff race, sit a bunch of guys and jump 6 spots in the draft but a guy like Stevens won't accept that, he'll just go elsewhere. He got a wholly less talented Butler team to two straight final fours and has this team well over 500 since we traded our best players.

Maybe I should've said something like "He's a winner to the core" or something so you'd get what I meant. Do love how instead of addressing anything I actually said you make a cute little quip about a figure of speech.