If we get pick #15 or #16 in the draft, what do we trade to move up into top 8?

[chambers]

Chambers I think my response(s) to you were probably not fair so I apologize. After the game last night that I was really excited we won I saw a number of comments about us ruining our draft pick or how we only won cause Cleveland did not try.It also seemed like there were two threads on it. I found that talk really grumpy and sour grapes from people and kind of upsetting cause it seemed like we could just enjoy a well fought win. I lashed out at you as a random thread that seemed base on these sentiments. It doesn't seem like it was your intention to be a downer or devalue the current season so again, apologies.

No problem Clay, good on you for being such a valiant co-supporter.
We both love this team, and I'm just as guilty of over reacting some times- the threads on this board definitely do just blend into one as far as pessimism/optimism goes sometime
My apologies for some of my comments- I think we are both super loyal fans who want the best for the C's.
TP for your sportsmanship.

[BDeCosta26]

I don't think all of the hate towards this thread is justified, but I disagree with you on tonight's game. They just looked off all night, and it probably had to do with us being extremely aggressive early on. Either way, a win is a win.

As for the actual thread, I'm not sure we can move down past 8, but I do think Detroit and Charlotte would entertain offers.

For Detroit, the other night showed that they need a stretch 4 next to AD, and KO would be a good fit there. However, they need a good wing as much as a power forward, so I would have to think they'd need to see someone like Oubre as the guy for them and a possible fall to 15. If they thought they could get him with our pick at 15, then I could see them doing some variation of your deal.

As for Charlotte, I'm still intrigued with Stephenson's potential. I'd do a Stephenson/#9 swap for Bradley/#15, because I still think Stephenson could be salvaged in our system. Furthermore, he only has next year guaranteed on his contract, so at worst we'd be trading Bradley for the #9 pick and two years less of his contract. We could then legitimately move IT to the starting lineup and run IT, Smart, Stephenson, KO/Sully, and (hopefully) WCS/Free Agent with a good balance between offense, defense, skill, and athleticism.

I like that idea of Bradley/#9 for Stephenson/#15. I love Bradley, and am one of his most vocal supporters round here but Stephenson, when engaged, is a slightly better player. Bradley shoots better, plays better D but Stephenson is no slouch himself on D, is a passable 3pt shooter and has better passing and rebound ability. I think him and Smart with IT off the bench would be quite a trifecta. Bradley's stock is up while Stephenson's is down so maybe you try to pry another asset from Charlotte, but even the straight swap you suggested saves us the LAC pick, the PHI 2nd and all the BRK picks. I doubt Danny gives a whole lot to move up 5-8 slots. But something that doesn't raid our assets and gets us into position to grab one of the Turner, WCS, Stanley Johnson group would be great. I really like AB but that deal is a good one for both sides.

Btw, excellent post Chambers, TP. The Kings are a real possibility it seems to me, and they'll be somewhere around 5-8. If they aren't gonna trade Cousins, they needa put some better talent around him and I think one of Sully/KO, our 1st, the LAC 1st and one of our early seconds could do it. One team I think is a possibility is Utah. They have a good, young roster who has played well since Gobert became the starter. They could make the playoffs next year with the right moves and good player development. Haywood looked good this year, Gobert is looking to fight with Noel and Smart for future DPOY awards, Favors is really good. Hood has potential. Zach Lowe, who I think is the best writer in basketball, said something a few weeks ago about Utah really wanting AB, and the possibility of swapping picks with them, adding Bradley and receiving Hood. Much as I like AB that's not a bad deal either.

I think moving up is a real possibility, and can be done without selling the farm. But if the right deal isn't there, I trust DA not to do anything too rash.

I don't see Charlotte considering that trade. I think the Stephenson trade was only for three years which is not going to hurt them for much longer. They are also a young team, so they will certainly value the draft pick higher then shedding Stephenson's contract.

Eh, Charlotte was shopping Stephenson pretty hard at the deadline. CHA has had a whole bunch of lottery picks in the past few years and the record is mixed. Also, they're not contending but they're certainly not rebuilding.

Bradley is a better fit for that team than Stephenson, they're on similar contracts and while Stephenson's value is pretty low after the disaster there this year, Bradley's is the highest it's been maybe ever. I could see the Cs thinking that to move up 6 spots in this draft by trading AB while also getting a guy who, when engaged, is probably the better player as a deal worth considering. And I could see CHA seeing that Bradley is not only a better fit for them but he's on a reasonable deal and still has upside. Trading back a few spots while also getting Bradley and ridding themselves of Stephenson's deal as a win. Especially if they can get the LAC pick or one of the PHI 2nds.

Everyone was so surprised when Lowe reported Ainge turned down offers for Bradley at the deadline. Outside of Smart and IT, who I think the FO sees as untouchable for almost anything, Bradley, KO and Sullinger are the assets we would have the easiest time moving, and they have more value to other teams than most C's fans would think. AB could fit on almost any team because he's a steady offensive contributor, he plays excellent D and doesn't need the ball in his hands to be successful. KO is a young 7 footer with real 3pt range and PG skills. Sullinger is a young big who's proven he can produce at the pro level. They have value , and I think among the Kings, Jazz, Pistons, Hornets or someone else a deal involving our pick- the LAC pick and Sully/AB/KO to move up a few spots has a good chance to present itself.

[KeepRondo]

I don't think all of the hate towards this thread is justified, but I disagree with you on tonight's game. They just looked off all night, and it probably had to do with us being extremely aggressive early on. Either way, a win is a win.

As for the actual thread, I'm not sure we can move down past 8, but I do think Detroit and Charlotte would entertain offers.

For Detroit, the other night showed that they need a stretch 4 next to AD, and KO would be a good fit there. However, they need a good wing as much as a power forward, so I would have to think they'd need to see someone like Oubre as the guy for them and a possible fall to 15. If they thought they could get him with our pick at 15, then I could see them doing some variation of your deal.

As for Charlotte, I'm still intrigued with Stephenson's potential. I'd do a Stephenson/#9 swap for Bradley/#15, because I still think Stephenson could be salvaged in our system. Furthermore, he only has next year guaranteed on his contract, so at worst we'd be trading Bradley for the #9 pick and two years less of his contract. We could then legitimately move IT to the starting lineup and run IT, Smart, Stephenson, KO/Sully, and (hopefully) WCS/Free Agent with a good balance between offense, defense, skill, and athleticism.

I like that idea of Bradley/#9 for Stephenson/#15. I love Bradley, and am one of his most vocal supporters round here but Stephenson, when engaged, is a slightly better player. Bradley shoots better, plays better D but Stephenson is no slouch himself on D, is a passable 3pt shooter and has better passing and rebound ability. I think him and Smart with IT off the bench would be quite a trifecta. Bradley's stock is up while Stephenson's is down so maybe you try to pry another asset from Charlotte, but even the straight swap you suggested saves us the LAC pick, the PHI 2nd and all the BRK picks. I doubt Danny gives a whole lot to move up 5-8 slots. But something that doesn't raid our assets and gets us into position to grab one of the Turner, WCS, Stanley Johnson group would be great. I really like AB but that deal is a good one for both sides.

Btw, excellent post Chambers, TP. The Kings are a real possibility it seems to me, and they'll be somewhere around 5-8. If they aren't gonna trade Cousins, they needa put some better talent around him and I think one of Sully/KO, our 1st, the LAC 1st and one of our early seconds could do it. One team I think is a possibility is Utah. They have a good, young roster who has played well since Gobert became the starter. They could make the playoffs next year with the right moves and good player development. Haywood looked good this year, Gobert is looking to fight with Noel and Smart for future DPOY awards, Favors is really good. Hood has potential. Zach Lowe, who I think is the best writer in basketball, said something a few weeks ago about Utah really wanting AB, and the possibility of swapping picks with them, adding Bradley and receiving Hood. Much as I like AB that's not a bad deal either.

I think moving up is a real possibility, and can be done without selling the farm. But if the right deal isn't there, I trust DA not to do anything too rash.

I don't see Charlotte considering that trade. I think the Stephenson trade was only for three years which is not going to hurt them for much longer. They are also a young team, so they will certainly value the draft pick higher then shedding Stephenson's contract.

Eh, Charlotte was shopping Stephenson pretty hard at the deadline. CHA has had a whole bunch of lottery picks in the past few years and the record is mixed. Also, they're not contending but they're certainly not rebuilding.

Bradley is a better fit for that team than Stephenson, they're on similar contracts and while Stephenson's value is pretty low after the disaster there this year, Bradley's is the highest it's been maybe ever. I could see the Cs thinking that to move up 6 spots in this draft by trading AB while also getting a guy who, when engaged, is probably the better player as a deal worth considering. And I could see CHA seeing that Bradley is not only a better fit for them but he's on a reasonable deal and still has upside. Trading back a few spots while also getting Bradley and ridding themselves of Stephenson's deal as a win. Especially if they can get the LAC pick or one of the PHI 2nds.

Everyone was so surprised when Lowe reported Ainge turned down offers for Bradley at the deadline. Outside of Smart and IT, who I think the FO sees as untouchable for almost anything, Bradley, KO and Sullinger are the assets we would have the easiest time moving, and they have more value to other teams than most C's fans would think. AB could fit on almost any team because he's a steady offensive contributor, he plays excellent D and doesn't need the ball in his hands to be successful. KO is a young 7 footer with real 3pt range and PG skills. Sullinger is a young big who's proven he can produce at the pro level. They have value , and I think among the Kings, Jazz, Pistons, Hornets or someone else a deal involving our pick- the LAC pick and Sully/AB/KO to move up a few spots has a good chance to present itself.

I think any team would be shopping Stephenson but I don't see Charlotte giving up a draft pick in the top 9 to get rid of him. Even if you sweeten the pot and include Bradley.

Maybe if this was a different draft class but there will be too much talent available for a small market team to pass up.

[Celtics4ever]

Charlotte was shopping Stephenson pretty hard at the deadline

There is a reason, and it is not good.  We should avoid him at all costs.

[celticsclay]

Chambers I think my response(s) to you were probably not fair so I apologize. After the game last night that I was really excited we won I saw a number of comments about us ruining our draft pick or how we only won cause Cleveland did not try.It also seemed like there were two threads on it. I found that talk really grumpy and sour grapes from people and kind of upsetting cause it seemed like we could just enjoy a well fought win. I lashed out at you as a random thread that seemed base on these sentiments. It doesn't seem like it was your intention to be a downer or devalue the current season so again, apologies.

TP back to you. Lets go Celtics!!!!!!

No problem Clay, good on you for being such a valiant co-supporter.
We both love this team, and I'm just as guilty of over reacting some times- the threads on this board definitely do just blend into one as far as pessimism/optimism goes sometime
My apologies for some of my comments- I think we are both super loyal fans who want the best for the C's.
TP for your sportsmanship.

[JHTruth]

No way we move up that much w/o giving up a Smart or Sully. Sigh just have to take the midfirst

[LarBrd33]

#15 + Marcus Smart probably gets you in the Top 8

[Celts Fan 508]

No way we move up that much w/o giving up a Smart or Sully. Sigh just have to take the midfirst

I would absolutely give up Sully and the 15 pick to move up even 5 spots, but I would not give up Smart.

[mahcus smaht]

#15 + Marcus Smart probably gets you in the Top 8

Thats also a massive overpay.

Although it might be what it takes.

If Im Danny, Im taking the Brooklyn picks and Smart off the table. Anyone else can be had in a move up to the top eight. 

I think the best option would be KO/Sully + # 15 + another first thats not a Brooklyn 1st for #6. Maybe youd could replace the second #1 with Turner because hes proven he can play some point. That way Sac Town gets their PF along with Turner who can help run the offense until grant or Dunn or whoever they take at 15 develops

Collison Grant/Dunn
Mclemore Stauskas
Gay
Sullinger/KO
Cousins

Tho that may not be enough unless they really like either one of KO and Sully

[clover]

I don't get the giving up Smart or KO in order to move up in the draft. (Sully on the other hand...)

We can pretty well conclude that Danny's not going to keep and make all four of his picks in the draft, however, so consolidation on some level seems pretty likely--if he doesn't trade picks for an established player.

It took two not-great, future 2nd rounders for Danny to move up from #16 to #13 two years ago, so one could expect that two immediate, great 2nd rounders could get him up from #15 to about #10--if he has a willing partner there. Or, swap the Clips pick for one of those 2nd rounders and he probably gets up to around #9.

[OutsiderBox]

Why can't we just wait until Willie Cauley-Stein is drafted and then make a move a la Spurs getting Kawhi! You see, "6th overall pick" has much more value to it than Willie Cauley-Stein because of the variables involved with having such a high selection (i.e.- players falling, history of the pick etc.) as opposed to a raw offensive player who you know will give you some of the most impactful yet non-glamorous thing a top prospect can give you; defense. Now you should all keep in mind that the two teams most likely to draft WCS (Denver, Sacramento) both have young, promising centers that I believe the organizations are high on so, with the thought process that they don't need WCS but still drafted him as an asset (if they even comprehend the term or such a basic yet futuristic concept) they might value him less than what he actually is worth. So Danny can wait for them to draft him, offer them a player at a position they need or an asset they think they might desire (James Young and some picks anyone) and they might bite (especially Denver as they will come to realize they can wait on a promising prospect like Young and cash in on the pick we're giving them, while Sacramento will want a Win-Now option so if we can offer them Evan Turner, a ball handler they might think they need and a sign and trade with Brandon Bass with maybe a couple of second rounders or a deep first or such thrown in we would be in great position). I still don't understand why not more people are suggesting this option as the Spurs where able to confuse the Pacers by not trading for a pick and rather waiting for the player to be drafted, offering a player that fits one of their so-called positional needs and receiving a desired prospect without paying for the flexibility of the pick  but for the desired player. And honestly, why would we want the 6th or 7th overall pick, the player we want is WCS not Kristaps Porzingis or Mario Hezonja or whatever, we only care about 1 player. Furthermore, trading for the pick would be incredibly problematic if a team ahead of us fancied WCS and so we would look like fools giving up Sully and some firsts for Edited.  Profanity and masked profanity are against forum rules and may result in discipline.ing Mario Hezonja.

Trade for the player we want not the pick the player is PROJECTED to be taken at.

P.S.- On all the Stephenson bullEdited.  Profanity and masked profanity are against forum rules and may result in discipline.: YES! YES! YES! Brad Stevens has proven to make players want to give their all regardless of their reputation coming in, capitalize on Bradley's value (and Charlotte's desire for what he brings) by snagging a better player at 100% and their first rounder. EXCELLENT! I would have paid Lance 9 mil any day and I believe he is more than salvageable! Even through his DNPs he is a trooper and not complaining as much as he is reputed to. I love it especially since we can offer our #15 and Charlotte's #12 for WCS and snag a need and a potential beast 2-way player in Lance for the mid-range jump shooting, oft-overrated Bradley! AWESOME IDEA I Edited.  Profanity and masked profanity are against forum rules and may result in discipline.ING LOVE IT SO MUCH I'M USING CAP AND I WON'T STOP!

[SHAQATTACK]

Sully or KO ...could be expendable for the RIGHT pick or big.

Not sure DA is ready to give up AB......he has so much sweat and tears in developing him. And I would bet he won't trade Smart either.  They seem loyal to the core.

[SHAQATTACK]

Charlotte was shopping Stephenson pretty hard at the deadline

There is a reason, and it is not good.  We should avoid him at all costs.

Yup....I follow some of the Hornets blogs .  Stevenson is bad news .    Give me ET any day over Lance .no more head case players

[Eddie20]

#15 + Marcus Smart probably gets you in the Top 8

Think about what you just said. Using draft projections here. You're saying the following statement:

Based on Chad Ford's rankings:

- Hezonja > Smart and Dekker

Based on Draft Express rankings:

- Porzingis > Smart and Dekker


Would you like to retract that statement?

[Donoghus]

#15 + Marcus Smart probably gets you in the Top 8

Think about what you just said. Using draft projections here. You're saying the following statement:

Based on Chad Ford's rankings:

- Hezonja > Smart and Dekker

Based on Draft Express rankings:

- Porzingis > Smart and Dekker


Would you like to retract that statement?

Oh, its a horrible idea.  You're trading the 6th pick in LAST YEAR's draft plus the 15th in this year's to move up into the TOP 8!  Not even the top 5 or top 3.    Makes no sense.