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Re: 7 Kentucky Players Expected to Enter 2015 NBA Draft
« Reply #15 on: April 06, 2015, 09:18:01 AM »

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Can a player go back to college if not drafted?

they can pull out before a certain set date but if they're in it through draft night that's it.

Re: 7 Kentucky Players Expected to Enter 2015 NBA Draft
« Reply #16 on: April 06, 2015, 09:21:14 AM »

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Towns, Lyles, WCS, Booker are going in the 1st round
Dakari Johnson 2nd round

Harrison Twins probably will be undrafted

I think Dakari Johnson will be picked in the early second round. I don't know about the Harrison twins, I feel like they will both get drafted, probably on the second round. I just can't see both going undrafted.
Harrison twins --> poster children for the impact of having kids attend college for a year instead of jumping right to the NBA.  these 2 would have been first round picks coming out of high school and now after their sophomore years there's a legit discussion point that neither one could be drafted. 

is there anyone that doesn't see the benefit of that rule?

Re: 7 Kentucky Players Expected to Enter 2015 NBA Draft
« Reply #17 on: April 06, 2015, 09:23:22 AM »

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Towns, Lyles, WCS, Booker are going in the 1st round
Dakari Johnson 2nd round

Harrison Twins probably will be undrafted

I think Dakari Johnson will be picked in the early second round. I don't know about the Harrison twins, I feel like they will both get drafted, probably on the second round. I just can't see both going undrafted.
Harrison twins --> poster children for the impact of having kids attend college for a year instead of jumping right to the NBA.  these 2 would have been first round picks coming out of high school and now after their sophomore years there's a legit discussion point that neither one could be drafted. 

is there anyone that doesn't see the benefit of that rule?

I'm fairly sure the Harrison twins don't see the benefit.

Re: 7 Kentucky Players Expected to Enter 2015 NBA Draft
« Reply #18 on: April 06, 2015, 10:03:47 AM »

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Towns, Lyles, WCS, Booker are going in the 1st round
Dakari Johnson 2nd round

Harrison Twins probably will be undrafted

I think Dakari Johnson will be picked in the early second round. I don't know about the Harrison twins, I feel like they will both get drafted, probably on the second round. I just can't see both going undrafted.
Harrison twins --> poster children for the impact of having kids attend college for a year instead of jumping right to the NBA.  these 2 would have been first round picks coming out of high school and now after their sophomore years there's a legit discussion point that neither one could be drafted. 

is there anyone that doesn't see the benefit of that rule?

I'm fairly sure the Harrison twins don't see the benefit.
Yup.

Rule favors management of NBA teams by keeping them from having to choose on talent when they're 18, just another year of no wages for the Harrison twins.

Given that even talented players frequently wash out of the NBA rookie deals are often all you get too.

Re: 7 Kentucky Players Expected to Enter 2015 NBA Draft
« Reply #19 on: April 06, 2015, 01:03:13 PM »

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I think the Harrison twins are being slept on.  I predict both will end up having solid NBA careers. 
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PG: G. Hill/D. Schroder
SG: C. Lee/B. Hield/T. Luwawu
SF:  Giannis/J. Lamb/M. Kuzminskas
PF:  E. Ilyasova/J. Jerebko/R. Christmas
C:    N. Vucevic/K. Olynyk/E. Davis/C. Jefferson

Re: 7 Kentucky Players Expected to Enter 2015 NBA Draft
« Reply #20 on: April 06, 2015, 01:09:28 PM »

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I think the Harrison twins are being slept on.  I predict both will end up having solid NBA careers.

Last I heard, one is projected to go late in the second round, while the other undrafted.

Update: Ford has Andrew #56, Aaron at #80.

Re: 7 Kentucky Players Expected to Enter 2015 NBA Draft
« Reply #21 on: April 06, 2015, 01:17:00 PM »

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I don't think it is news 7 may enter. If it was on the low side like 3 then I would be shocked.

Re: 7 Kentucky Players Expected to Enter 2015 NBA Draft
« Reply #22 on: April 06, 2015, 01:19:54 PM »

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I think the Harrison twins are being slept on.  I predict both will end up having solid NBA careers.

Last I heard, one is projected to go late in the second round, while the other undrafted.

Update: Ford has Andrew #56, Aaron at #80.

This doesn't mean they have no chance of being solid NBA pros. 
DKC Seventy-Sixers:

PG: G. Hill/D. Schroder
SG: C. Lee/B. Hield/T. Luwawu
SF:  Giannis/J. Lamb/M. Kuzminskas
PF:  E. Ilyasova/J. Jerebko/R. Christmas
C:    N. Vucevic/K. Olynyk/E. Davis/C. Jefferson

Re: 7 Kentucky Players Expected to Enter 2015 NBA Draft
« Reply #23 on: April 06, 2015, 01:42:48 PM »

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I was surprised when I just looked up the twins' stats and neither shoots 40%.  Andrew at least has the benefit of being a good three-point shooter, but I understand now why those guys have fallen off the map a bit. 

I'd go against the grain on Dakari Johnson.  There just aren't many teams who have a use for plodding post centers anymore.  He reminds me so much of Perk, but honestly I think Perk only worked out as well as he did because of KG.  Perhaps the stars could align for Johnson by landing him with Anthony Davis in New Orleans, but I think approximately 29 other scenarios don't work out nearly as well for him. 

Towns could be great if he wants it, WCS will be good.  I'd take Lyles without hesitation in the mid-to-late first round - looks like a clone of Tobias Harris to me.  I didn't watch Booker enough to make a worthwhile opinion. 

Re: 7 Kentucky Players Expected to Enter 2015 NBA Draft
« Reply #24 on: April 06, 2015, 02:03:04 PM »

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Danny will draft from Kentucky to make James young comfortable, and because rondos (and most Kentucky alumni success) means he will roll dice again. Syracuse bros and purdue bros

Re: 7 Kentucky Players Expected to Enter 2015 NBA Draft
« Reply #25 on: April 06, 2015, 02:07:19 PM »

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I think the Harrison twins are being slept on.  I predict both will end up having solid NBA careers.

Last I heard, one is projected to go late in the second round, while the other undrafted.

Update: Ford has Andrew #56, Aaron at #80.

This doesn't mean they have no chance of being solid NBA pros.

No, but things don't look as promising as it did in HS for the twins.

Re: 7 Kentucky Players Expected to Enter 2015 NBA Draft
« Reply #26 on: April 06, 2015, 03:05:17 PM »

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Towns, Lyles, WCS, Booker are going in the 1st round
Dakari Johnson 2nd round

Harrison Twins probably will be undrafted

I think Dakari Johnson will be picked in the early second round. I don't know about the Harrison twins, I feel like they will both get drafted, probably on the second round. I just can't see both going undrafted.
Harrison twins --> poster children for the impact of having kids attend college for a year instead of jumping right to the NBA.  these 2 would have been first round picks coming out of high school and now after their sophomore years there's a legit discussion point that neither one could be drafted. 

is there anyone that doesn't see the benefit of that rule?

I'm fairly sure the Harrison twins don't see the benefit.
Yup.

Rule favors management of NBA teams by keeping them from having to choose on talent when they're 18, just another year of no wages for the Harrison twins.

Given that even talented players frequently wash out of the NBA rookie deals are often all you get too.

Players should be able to enter the draft out of high school. If they are undrafted they should be able to play in college. Players should be payed and able to get endorsements in college. If an underclassman is undrafted they should be able to stay playing in college. All this would be much more fair for the player. Unfortunately the colleges and NBA owners don't care much about that.
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Re: 7 Kentucky Players Expected to Enter 2015 NBA Draft
« Reply #27 on: April 06, 2015, 04:18:55 PM »

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Towns, Lyles, WCS, Booker are going in the 1st round
Dakari Johnson 2nd round

Harrison Twins probably will be undrafted

I think Dakari Johnson will be picked in the early second round. I don't know about the Harrison twins, I feel like they will both get drafted, probably on the second round. I just can't see both going undrafted.
Harrison twins --> poster children for the impact of having kids attend college for a year instead of jumping right to the NBA.  these 2 would have been first round picks coming out of high school and now after their sophomore years there's a legit discussion point that neither one could be drafted. 

is there anyone that doesn't see the benefit of that rule?

I'm fairly sure the Harrison twins don't see the benefit.
Yup.

Rule favors management of NBA teams by keeping them from having to choose on talent when they're 18, just another year of no wages for the Harrison twins.

Given that even talented players frequently wash out of the NBA rookie deals are often all you get too.

Players should be able to enter the draft out of high school. If they are undrafted they should be able to play in college. Players should be payed and able to get endorsements in college. If an underclassman is undrafted they should be able to stay playing in college. All this would be much more fair for the player. Unfortunately the colleges and NBA owners don't care much about that.

Nor should they care about that.  They are trying to produce the best product they can, and delayed draft eligibility helps (Harrison twins being a great example).  I understand that some straight from high school guys were/are  Hall of Famers, but I firmly believe that overall, later entry produces a better product.

I fully accept there are two sides to this argument, and that the current system would have been hurtful to KG, Kobe, etc.  However, there is one pro-high school eligibility argument that I roll my eyes at and that is the "It's not fair to the kid to deny him the opportunity if he's ready" argument. 

So what?  Practically every other job (outside of the arts or entrepreneurship) has the same situation.  What if you are an incredibly talented electrician, but you drop out of apprenticeship school a month before graduating - you can't get a job until you finish the apprenticeship, no matter how talented you are.  Just pick the college major and drop out 10 credit hours short of getting your degree.  That will preclude you from being eligible for most jobs.  You can argue that it's arbitrary and unfair, but it is the easiest way for the employer to be comfortable that they are hiring a reasonably qualified person.  You make rules geared toward the norm, you don't make rules based upon the rare and spectacular exception.

And if you want to compare pro athletes with artists or entrepreneurs, I'll disagree on this basis:  by definition, I'm doing both of those things on my own dime.  Team-based athletes are "asking" someone to hire them at their company.  The company can and should be able to determine the criteria for hiring. 

If I'm buying a house, I want to know that it was built by trained and certified experts.  Maybe the most talented plumber alive thought that school wasn't for him, so he isn't certified.  Good for him, but he's not getting my business.  As a consumer of the NBA's product, I want the best product possible for my money.  That may slightly inconvenience two or three 18 year olds per year who aren't interested in school.  As a consumer, I'm OK with that.

Re: 7 Kentucky Players Expected to Enter 2015 NBA Draft
« Reply #28 on: April 06, 2015, 04:23:09 PM »

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Towns, Lyles, WCS, Booker are going in the 1st round
Dakari Johnson 2nd round

Harrison Twins probably will be undrafted

I think Dakari Johnson will be picked in the early second round. I don't know about the Harrison twins, I feel like they will both get drafted, probably on the second round. I just can't see both going undrafted.
Harrison twins --> poster children for the impact of having kids attend college for a year instead of jumping right to the NBA.  these 2 would have been first round picks coming out of high school and now after their sophomore years there's a legit discussion point that neither one could be drafted. 

is there anyone that doesn't see the benefit of that rule?

I'm fairly sure the Harrison twins don't see the benefit.
Yup.

Rule favors management of NBA teams by keeping them from having to choose on talent when they're 18, just another year of no wages for the Harrison twins.

Given that even talented players frequently wash out of the NBA rookie deals are often all you get too.

Players should be able to enter the draft out of high school. If they are undrafted they should be able to play in college. Players should be payed and able to get endorsements in college. If an underclassman is undrafted they should be able to stay playing in college. All this would be much more fair for the player. Unfortunately the colleges and NBA owners don't care much about that.

I'd like to see a version of the baseball model adopted - you can come out of HS, but be prepared to spend some time in the D-League if you can't cut it yet.  If you don't come out after HS, you're ineligible for the draft for 2-3 years.  Go to college or go to a foreign league and work on your game.  Obviously there'd have to be opportunities for early entry guys to back out like they have now, but this would keep the guys who don't want to go to college out, and reduce turnover of the players who do go.

Re: 7 Kentucky Players Expected to Enter 2015 NBA Draft
« Reply #29 on: April 06, 2015, 04:39:22 PM »

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Nor should they care about that.  They are trying to produce the best product they can, and delayed draft eligibility helps (Harrison twins being a great example).  I understand that some straight from high school guys were/are  Hall of Famers, but I firmly believe that overall, later entry produces a better product.

I fully accept there are two sides to this argument, and that the current system would have been hurtful to KG, Kobe, etc.  However, there is one pro-high school eligibility argument that I roll my eyes at and that is the "It's not fair to the kid to deny him the opportunity if he's ready" argument. 

So what?  Practically every other job (outside of the arts or entrepreneurship) has the same situation.  What if you are an incredibly talented electrician, but you drop out of apprenticeship school a month before graduating - you can't get a job until you finish the apprenticeship, no matter how talented you are.  Just pick the college major and drop out 10 credit hours short of getting your degree.  That will preclude you from being eligible for most jobs.  You can argue that it's arbitrary and unfair, but it is the easiest way for the employer to be comfortable that they are hiring a reasonably qualified person.  You make rules geared toward the norm, you don't make rules based upon the rare and spectacular exception.

And if you want to compare pro athletes with artists or entrepreneurs, I'll disagree on this basis:  by definition, I'm doing both of those things on my own dime.  Team-based athletes are "asking" someone to hire them at their company.  The company can and should be able to determine the criteria for hiring. 

If I'm buying a house, I want to know that it was built by trained and certified experts.  Maybe the most talented plumber alive thought that school wasn't for him, so he isn't certified.  Good for him, but he's not getting my business.  As a consumer of the NBA's product, I want the best product possible for my money.  That may slightly inconvenience two or three 18 year olds per year who aren't interested in school.  As a consumer, I'm OK with that.
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