The Celtics have blown four drafts in a row.

[GreenWarrior]

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[CFAN38]

2011: JaJuan Johnson
2012: Sullinger and Fab Melo
2013: Olynyk
2014: Smart and Young

2011 to 2013 are all blown drafts. Smart at least plays good D but for a top 6 pick they should do better. Young looks like a less athletic Gerald Green.

In 2011 they looked long and hard at Chandler Parsons. In an interview he even said he was shocked they did not pick him.

2012, Sullinger will eat himself out of the league and in Jackie Mac's article today Danny admits they knew he had weight issues. Fab Melo. Need I say more?

2013, Draftexpress starts covering the Greek Freak after Ainge is seen scouting him personally. He reverts to his typical anti Euro bias and takes the safe choice in Olynyk who can not guard a locked door with a shotgun. Meanwhile Giannis Antetokounmpo is going to be well, we all know what he is going to be.

2014, the jury is still out. Hopefully after three drafts in a row the Boston "Brain Trust" will not blow it. Do not hold your breath.

Boston has not drafted a decent player since Bradley in 2010. That is just awful. Sullinger is injury prone and has not even tried to handle his weight. Instead he lies about it. Look up any of his interviews from last summer if you don't believe me. Olynyk plays terrified and is useless on D. Useless.

In the end all the people who are excited we have however many million draft picks should realize Boston has blown four drafts in a row and blown them bad. There is no way to debate it. Melo, Johnson and even Brooks who he was traded for are all out of the league, Sullinger has yet to play a full season and is about to be the next Oliver Miller. Olynyk will be playing in Greece in two years while the Greek we should have picked will be in the MVP race. Thanks "Brain Trust".

Hind-site is 20/20 DA has had some bad misses late in the draft but has been successful  though very conservative with his higher picks.

[Roy H.]

Sully was still good value for where we picked him.

KO still should turn out to be a rotation player.

It's too soon to tell on Smart and Young.

JJ and Melo are outright busts.  The chances of success are relatively low that far in the draft, but there were multiple other options.

So, Danny hit on 1 out of 3 picks, all of which were 20th and below.  That's probably about average, or a little better.

The jury is still out on KO, but he's been productive.  The only guys clearly better than him picked after him are Giannis and Gobert, although Plumlee and Dieng are also strong considerations.

[cb8883]

2011: JaJuan Johnson
2012: Sullinger and Fab Melo
2013: Olynyk
2014: Smart and Young

2011 to 2013 are all blown drafts. Smart at least plays good D but for a top 6 pick they should do better. Young looks like a less athletic Gerald Green.

In 2011 they looked long and hard at Chandler Parsons. In an interview he even said he was shocked they did not pick him.

2012, Sullinger will eat himself out of the league and in Jackie Mac's article today Danny admits they knew he had weight issues. Fab Melo. Need I say more?

2013, Draftexpress starts covering the Greek Freak after Ainge is seen scouting him personally. He reverts to his typical anti Euro bias and takes the safe choice in Olynyk who can not guard a locked door with a shotgun. Meanwhile Giannis Antetokounmpo is going to be well, we all know what he is going to be.

2014, the jury is still out. Hopefully after three drafts in a row the Boston "Brain Trust" will not blow it. Do not hold your breath.

Boston has not drafted a decent player since Bradley in 2010. That is just awful. Sullinger is injury prone and has not even tried to handle his weight. Instead he lies about it. Look up any of his interviews from last summer if you don't believe me. Olynyk plays terrified and is useless on D. Useless.

In the end all the people who are excited we have however many million draft picks should realize Boston has blown four drafts in a row and blown them bad. There is no way to debate it. Melo, Johnson and even Brooks who he was traded for are all out of the league, Sullinger has yet to play a full season and is about to be the next Oliver Miller. Olynyk will be playing in Greece in two years while the Greek we should have picked will be in the MVP race. Thanks "Brain Trust".

Couldn't have said it better. Danny Ainge has a bias against euros. He also had some colossal misses with JJJ Flab Melo and KO. The Greek freak was the pick. Everyone saw it. Yet Danny passed on Giannis because he was a Euro. The irony of course is that KO plays defense like a stereotypical European too. This last draft was awful though. Ainge has the opportunity to tank and holds onto his garbage role players like Rondo and Bass thus costing this team the chance to get more ping pong balls for a top 3 pick. Instead we are left with Banks 2.0 and a D Leaguer. Ainge needs to be shown the door after this year. Please let CBS go to Indiana and lets get someone in here who is committed to building the right way. Philly Los Angeles Knicks are doing it the right way now. Let's emulate and make a strong commitment to tanking so 18 comes that much sooner.

[pearljammer10]

2011: JaJuan Johnson
2012: Sullinger and Fab Melo
2013: Olynyk
2014: Smart and Young

2011 to 2013 are all blown drafts. Smart at least plays good D but for a top 6 pick they should do better. Young looks like a less athletic Gerald Green.

In 2011 they looked long and hard at Chandler Parsons. In an interview he even said he was shocked they did not pick him.

2012, Sullinger will eat himself out of the league and in Jackie Mac's article today Danny admits they knew he had weight issues. Fab Melo. Need I say more?

2013, Draftexpress starts covering the Greek Freak after Ainge is seen scouting him personally. He reverts to his typical anti Euro bias and takes the safe choice in Olynyk who can not guard a locked door with a shotgun. Meanwhile Giannis Antetokounmpo is going to be well, we all know what he is going to be.

2014, the jury is still out. Hopefully after three drafts in a row the Boston "Brain Trust" will not blow it. Do not hold your breath.

Boston has not drafted a decent player since Bradley in 2010. That is just awful. Sullinger is injury prone and has not even tried to handle his weight. Instead he lies about it. Look up any of his interviews from last summer if you don't believe me. Olynyk plays terrified and is useless on D. Useless.

In the end all the people who are excited we have however many million draft picks should realize Boston has blown four drafts in a row and blown them bad. There is no way to debate it. Melo, Johnson and even Brooks who he was traded for are all out of the league, Sullinger has yet to play a full season and is about to be the next Oliver Miller. Olynyk will be playing in Greece in two years while the Greek we should have picked will be in the MVP race. Thanks "Brain Trust".

Couldn't have said it better. Danny Ainge has a bias against euros. He also had some colossal misses with JJJ Flab Melo and KO. The Greek freak was the pick. Everyone saw it. Yet Danny passed on Giannis because he was a Euro. The irony of course is that KO plays defense like a stereotypical European too. This last draft was awful though. Ainge has the opportunity to tank and holds onto his garbage role players like Rondo and Bass thus costing this team the chance to get more ping pong balls for a top 3 pick. Instead we are left with Banks 2.0 and a D Leaguer. Ainge needs to be shown the door after this year. Please let CBS go to Indiana and lets get someone in here who is committed to building the right way. Philly Los Angeles Knicks are doing it the right way now. Let's emulate and make a strong commitment to tanking so 18 comes that much sooner.

Haha.

Yeah Philly, LA, and NY are all looking real good. 

[GreenGoggles]

Ainge is a not a talented drafter, he's pretty average. He makes his money through trades.

[GreenGoggles]

2011: JaJuan Johnson
2012: Sullinger and Fab Melo
2013: Olynyk
2014: Smart and Young

2011 to 2013 are all blown drafts. Smart at least plays good D but for a top 6 pick they should do better. Young looks like a less athletic Gerald Green.

In 2011 they looked long and hard at Chandler Parsons. In an interview he even said he was shocked they did not pick him.

2012, Sullinger will eat himself out of the league and in Jackie Mac's article today Danny admits they knew he had weight issues. Fab Melo. Need I say more?

2013, Draftexpress starts covering the Greek Freak after Ainge is seen scouting him personally. He reverts to his typical anti Euro bias and takes the safe choice in Olynyk who can not guard a locked door with a shotgun. Meanwhile Giannis Antetokounmpo is going to be well, we all know what he is going to be.

2014, the jury is still out. Hopefully after three drafts in a row the Boston "Brain Trust" will not blow it. Do not hold your breath.

Boston has not drafted a decent player since Bradley in 2010. That is just awful. Sullinger is injury prone and has not even tried to handle his weight. Instead he lies about it. Look up any of his interviews from last summer if you don't believe me. Olynyk plays terrified and is useless on D. Useless.

In the end all the people who are excited we have however many million draft picks should realize Boston has blown four drafts in a row and blown them bad. There is no way to debate it. Melo, Johnson and even Brooks who he was traded for are all out of the league, Sullinger has yet to play a full season and is about to be the next Oliver Miller. Olynyk will be playing in Greece in two years while the Greek we should have picked will be in the MVP race. Thanks "Brain Trust".

Couldn't have said it better. Danny Ainge has a bias against euros. He also had some colossal misses with JJJ Flab Melo and KO. The Greek freak was the pick. Everyone saw it. Yet Danny passed on Giannis because he was a Euro. The irony of course is that KO plays defense like a stereotypical European too. This last draft was awful though. Ainge has the opportunity to tank and holds onto his garbage role players like Rondo and Bass thus costing this team the chance to get more ping pong balls for a top 3 pick. Instead we are left with Banks 2.0 and a D Leaguer. Ainge needs to be shown the door after this year. Please let CBS go to Indiana and lets get someone in here who is committed to building the right way. Philly Los Angeles Knicks are doing it the right way now. Let's emulate and make a strong commitment to tanking so 18 comes that much sooner.

Haha.

Yeah Philly, LA, and NY are all looking real good. 

Philly is in a better position than we are. Better, more valuable assets.

[wdleehi]

I am perfectly happy with Ainge as a drafter.  Like all GMs, he has had misses.  But unlike a lot of GMs, he is not afraid to admit it and move those mistakes on to other teams who still think they may be able to get something out of them. 

[manl_lui]

 

yea right, assuming on draft position, Danny did fine...JJJ was towards the end of the draft

Sully at 21 was a steal, and who after Sully was better?

KO and Giannis, KO isn't THAT bad. Besides the poor defense, his offense has been solid. I think at 13, drafting a rotational player is good. Let's visit this topic again 5 years down the line

Smart and Young are still rookies for god's sake!

[pokeKingCurtis]

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[cb8883]

2011: JaJuan Johnson
2012: Sullinger and Fab Melo
2013: Olynyk
2014: Smart and Young

2011 to 2013 are all blown drafts. Smart at least plays good D but for a top 6 pick they should do better. Young looks like a less athletic Gerald Green.

In 2011 they looked long and hard at Chandler Parsons. In an interview he even said he was shocked they did not pick him.

2012, Sullinger will eat himself out of the league and in Jackie Mac's article today Danny admits they knew he had weight issues. Fab Melo. Need I say more?

2013, Draftexpress starts covering the Greek Freak after Ainge is seen scouting him personally. He reverts to his typical anti Euro bias and takes the safe choice in Olynyk who can not guard a locked door with a shotgun. Meanwhile Giannis Antetokounmpo is going to be well, we all know what he is going to be.

2014, the jury is still out. Hopefully after three drafts in a row the Boston "Brain Trust" will not blow it. Do not hold your breath.

Boston has not drafted a decent player since Bradley in 2010. That is just awful. Sullinger is injury prone and has not even tried to handle his weight. Instead he lies about it. Look up any of his interviews from last summer if you don't believe me. Olynyk plays terrified and is useless on D. Useless.

In the end all the people who are excited we have however many million draft picks should realize Boston has blown four drafts in a row and blown them bad. There is no way to debate it. Melo, Johnson and even Brooks who he was traded for are all out of the league, Sullinger has yet to play a full season and is about to be the next Oliver Miller. Olynyk will be playing in Greece in two years while the Greek we should have picked will be in the MVP race. Thanks "Brain Trust".

Couldn't have said it better. Danny Ainge has a bias against euros. He also had some colossal misses with JJJ Flab Melo and KO. The Greek freak was the pick. Everyone saw it. Yet Danny passed on Giannis because he was a Euro. The irony of course is that KO plays defense like a stereotypical European too. This last draft was awful though. Ainge has the opportunity to tank and holds onto his garbage role players like Rondo and Bass thus costing this team the chance to get more ping pong balls for a top 3 pick. Instead we are left with Banks 2.0 and a D Leaguer. Ainge needs to be shown the door after this year. Please let CBS go to Indiana and lets get someone in here who is committed to building the right way. Philly Los Angeles Knicks are doing it the right way now. Let's emulate and make a strong commitment to tanking so 18 comes that much sooner.

Haha.

Yeah Philly, LA, and NY are all looking real good. 

I'd take a top 3 pick in this year's draft over anyone on this roster. Hence the Knicks and Lakers have much better futures. 76ers have the most young talent including two young bigs any of us would want. But yes keep the faith of Banks 2.0 being the answer. I'm going to bet on the proverbial nut punch.

[spikelovetheCelts]

You can insult me all you would like but you have no counter to my actual argument. I am correct. Regarding the "Hindsight" line of debate, I specifically point out there were players Boston scouted extensively that Boston passed on, Antetokounmpo and Parsons. Boston has drafted awfully in 2011, 2012, 2013. 2014 is still in the air but early results are mixed at best. If you want to attack me for "whining" or "complaining" I hope living as a mindless yes man is to your liking.

Johnson and Melo were bad but if you miss 1 person after then you have some room to gripe. Sully would be picked again higher. Bradley would go higher. KO works hard he may not be the Greek freak but he would still be drafted right at same slot.
Who do you want to conduct our future drafts over Danny. You could not name 5 better than him with a track record.

[More Banners]

Sully, KO, and Smart were and are each a good pick for position, and solid, long time NBA players, health permitting. 3 in a row. That's pretty good.

Smart is starting on a possible playoff team in his rookie year. Ain't bad.

Weight aside, Sully is a heck of a player.

when KO can play a. It more quickly on reads, look out. A big that can shoot and pass is a heck of a weapon.

What's the gripe again ?

[TwinTower14]

This is funny - Sully, KO and Smart are all good picks!  Smart will be a top 10 PG in this league when he hits his prime years.  I think Ainge's biggest regret will be not taking Giannis.  I think in general Ainge has been terrific in the draft especially where he has been picking most years....

[Celtics4ever]

Ainge is not perfect, he has a penchant for drafting tweeners.  Sometimes, I think he looks for a guy that can play who has value but might have some flaws that scared off others.  When it works it is brilliant when it does not, them it is chalked up to their flaws. 

I hope he goes for some athletic bigs this year.  I hope CBS can strengthen his college drafting skills with his connections.

You could not name 5 better than him with a track record.

Pat Riley gets value where he drafts - MIA
OKC are superb drafters- OKC
Bird was a good drafter - IND
Isiah Thomas was excellent at drafting. _ NYC got a lot of NBA players
Pop/ RC Buford get value as well. -SA
Neil Oshey gets value - PORT  Lilliard, Aldridge\

I think that is five who draft better than are currently drafting for their teams.  I named six overall.

Ainge is not on this list as a drafter

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/232776/Study-Finds-Isiah-Thomas-As-Best-Drafting-GM-Since-1989

That being said, I think still overall Ainge is the one of the best GMs in the NBA.   Draftee is not his strongest asset but he is not terrible at it either.

Sully, KO and Smart are all good picks!

Will you say that if Sully continues to eat himself out of the league?  Jury is till out, all three have a place in the NBA but I would not say that all three are good.   I am delighted with Smart;s effort and I think he will work hard in the off season to improve.   KO and Sully were guys who are limited athletically, this trend on our bigs needs to stop.    CBS trusts Jonas a lot more down the stretch than KO and takes him out for defensive possessions all the time.   He has a fondness for two way guys as do all coaches.

I would rather have Giannis or Dieng than KO.   That does not mean KO is terrible, I just think the others are better than him.  In fact, put Dieng on this roster instead of KO and we have our rim protector.

9.7 PPG,  8.5 RPG, 2 APG and 1.7 BPG   for Dieng on 50% FG

10.3 PPG,  5 RPG, 1.8 APG and .7 BPG   for Olynyk on 49% FG

http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/2534781/gorgui-dieng

http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/2489663/kelly-olynyk

Now Kelly can spread the floor something Dieng cannot but I would still almost have rather taken Dieng.  Dieng is two years old 25 to KOs 23 ( soon to be 24).