Any interest in Frank Kaminsky?

[2short]

While I do like the blend ainge has put together we all have to realize that EVERYONE on our roster is tradable i.e. part of a package.  So of course we draft for need if we get a good pick, otherwise its best player available.  Get them signed on a rookie contract and look for trades that help the team the most.  If I'm a power forward on this team I don't want any more log jam there than we already have

[Rosco917]

Everyone's comparing him with Kelly. He has better stats, and leadership than KO. He's more mobile, and longer than KO.

Honestly, I feel KO's days are numbered.

[Vermont Green]

I think we still have to be in the mode where we take the best player available.  There seems to be a lot of interesting bigs that we may get a shot at including Kaminski, Turner, and Lyles.  Hard to say who else may be on the board but I would be happy with any of these guys.

This may create some roster imbalance but so be it.  We can sort that out later.  If we packaged for example Olynyk and a draft pick, we could get other draft picks or a player at a position of need without much trouble I would think.

[chambers]

I'm not convinced on Kaminsky yet. Haven't watched his tourney games yet but my big concern is how he'll do against length.

He is intriguing but I can't work out what his NBA ceiling is....

Is he Andrea Bargnani, Tyler Hansborough or Pau Gasol?
Very unique/high upside talent that can shoot and play any position.

[chambers]

I'm not thinking the C's will be picking high enough to land a top big.

But I'm really curious about this guy at the 3:

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Aleksandar-Vezenkov-6429/stats/

Very young, but lots of professional experience. Can shoot with range. Good size. Must be scrappy and hard-nosed with all those rebounds.

Definitely a worthy look in the 2nd round.
Seems a bit out of control with the ball at times on the fast break but is a deadeye shooter with some physicality ala Sasha Pavolovic but less silky and more rough around the edges technically.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_jYDtCk2KHU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_jYDtCk2KHU

[Eddie20]

Everyone's comparing him with Kelly. He has better stats, and leadership than KO. He's more mobile, and longer than KO.

Honestly, I feel KO's days are numbered.

Where is it that you're getting that Kaminsky's stats are better than Olynyk's? Below is a comparison between Olynyk's last year at Gonzaga vs Kaminsy's numbers this season. Keep in mind though that Olynyk played that season as a Junior after redshirting the previous season. While Kaminsky has played 4 consecutive seasons and has more collegiate experience. Also, when comparing numbers try to factor in the the minutes per game edge Kaminsky has over Olynyk.


MPG-
KO 26.4
FK 32.9

PPG-
KO 17.8
FK 18.4

RPG-
KO 7.3
FK 8.1

APG-
KO 1.7
FK 2.8

BPG-
KO 1.1
FK 1.6

PER-
KO 36.2
FK 35.5

FG%
KO 62.9
FK 55.9

FT%
KO 77.6
FK 76.1

True Shooting %
KO 67.5
FK 63.4

[Tr1boy]

I'm not convinced on Kaminsky yet. Haven't watched his tourney games yet but my big concern is how he'll do against length.

He is intriguing but I can't work out what his NBA ceiling is....

Is he Andrea Bargnani, Tyler Hansborough or Pau Gasol?
Very unique/high upside talent that can shoot and play any position.

Then try watch some games first.  He did well vs Okafor earlier this season also

He is a legit 7'0 ft tall pf/c.  7'1-7'2 wingspan(or longer).  When he dunks can bend his elbows, have the ball behind his head before dunking(it's not like he can jump very high either). Something KO nor Dakari Johnson can do

And i would say is closer to Pau Gasol skill wise/shot blocking capabilities

[Eddie20]

I'm not convinced on Kaminsky yet. Haven't watched his tourney games yet but my big concern is how he'll do against length.

He is intriguing but I can't work out what his NBA ceiling is....

Is he Andrea Bargnani, Tyler Hansborough or Pau Gasol?
Very unique/high upside talent that can shoot and play any position.

Then try watch some games first.  He did well vs Okafor earlier this season also

He is a legit 7'0 ft tall pf/c.  7'1-7'2 wingspan(or longer).  When he dunks can bend his elbows, have the ball behind his head before dunking(it's not like he can jump very high either). Something KO nor Dakari Johnson can do

And i would say is closer to Pau Gasol skill wise/shot blocking capabilities

You keep posting these wingspan numbers on Kaminsky, but where are you getting it from? For comparison, Cauley-Stein and Towns who are much longer than Kaminsky, have wingspans of 7-2 and 7-3.

[Tr1boy]

I'm not convinced on Kaminsky yet. Haven't watched his tourney games yet but my big concern is how he'll do against length.

He is intriguing but I can't work out what his NBA ceiling is....

Is he Andrea Bargnani, Tyler Hansborough or Pau Gasol?
Very unique/high upside talent that can shoot and play any position.

Then try watch some games first.  He did well vs Okafor earlier this season also

He is a legit 7'0 ft tall pf/c.  7'1-7'2 wingspan(or longer).  When he dunks can bend his elbows, have the ball behind his head before dunking(it's not like he can jump very high either). Something KO nor Dakari Johnson can do

And i would say is closer to Pau Gasol skill wise/shot blocking capabilities

You keep posting these wingspan numbers on Kaminsky, but where are you getting it from? For comparison, Cauley-Stein and Towns who are much longer than Kaminsky, have wingspans of 7-2 and 7-3.

Estimates found online(writers)

We wont know officially until the combine. But its not shorter than 7 ft.  And how do you know its not as long as wcs. Wcs may have a longer wingspan than 7'2 also.

Not sure why you dislike kaminsky so much

[Eddie20]

I'm not convinced on Kaminsky yet. Haven't watched his tourney games yet but my big concern is how he'll do against length.

He is intriguing but I can't work out what his NBA ceiling is....

Is he Andrea Bargnani, Tyler Hansborough or Pau Gasol?
Very unique/high upside talent that can shoot and play any position.

Then try watch some games first.  He did well vs Okafor earlier this season also

He is a legit 7'0 ft tall pf/c.  7'1-7'2 wingspan(or longer).  When he dunks can bend his elbows, have the ball behind his head before dunking(it's not like he can jump very high either). Something KO nor Dakari Johnson can do

And i would say is closer to Pau Gasol skill wise/shot blocking capabilities

You keep posting these wingspan numbers on Kaminsky, but where are you getting it from? For comparison, Cauley-Stein and Towns who are much longer than Kaminsky, have wingspans of 7-2 and 7-3.

Estimates found online(writers)

We wont know officially until the combine. But its not shorter than 7 ft.  And how do you know its not as long as wcs. Wcs may have a longer wingspan than 7'2 also.

Not sure why you dislike kaminsky so much

Can you provide links to the writers (plural) that suggest Kaminsky's wingspan is "7-1, 7-2, or longer"? I find that to be an extremely bold and inaccurate statement.

WCS and Town's measurements were from
UK's pro day.

I don't dislike Kaminsky, but take pause when I see you constantly overrate him simply because he puts up numbers versus opposition that is usually younger and smaller than he is. Drafting him would also limit the minutes we'd be able to distribute between 4 players (Sullinger, Olynyk, Zeller, Kaminsky) that all need minutes. This isnt even taking into consideration the lack of defense, athleticism, weakness defending the p&r, defending in space, that potential frontline has. So what's the alternative? Trading Olynyk while his value (poor play) is low? Trading Sullinger while his value (injury) is low?

[TheTruthFot18]

We already have KO. They put up very similar stats in the final year before going to the NBA.

[Tr1boy]

I'm not convinced on Kaminsky yet. Haven't watched his tourney games yet but my big concern is how he'll do against length.

He is intriguing but I can't work out what his NBA ceiling is....

Is he Andrea Bargnani, Tyler Hansborough or Pau Gasol?
Very unique/high upside talent that can shoot and play any position.

Then try watch some games first.  He did well vs Okafor earlier this season also

He is a legit 7'0 ft tall pf/c.  7'1-7'2 wingspan(or longer).  When he dunks can bend his elbows, have the ball behind his head before dunking(it's not like he can jump very high either). Something KO nor Dakari Johnson can do

And i would say is closer to Pau Gasol skill wise/shot blocking capabilities

You keep posting these wingspan numbers on Kaminsky, but where are you getting it from? For comparison, Cauley-Stein and Towns who are much longer than Kaminsky, have wingspans of 7-2 and 7-3.

Estimates found online(writers)

We wont know officially until the combine. But its not shorter than 7 ft.  And how do you know its not as long as wcs. Wcs may have a longer wingspan than 7'2 also.

Not sure why you dislike kaminsky so much

Can you provide links to the writers (plural) that suggest Kaminsky's wingspan is "7-1, 7-2, or longer"? I find that to be an extremely bold and inaccurate statement.

WCS and Town's measurements were from
UK's pro day.

I don't dislike Kaminsky, but take pause when I see you constantly overrate him simply because he puts up numbers versus opposition that is usually younger and smaller than he is. Drafting him would also limit the minutes we'd be able to distribute between 4 players (Sullinger, Olynyk, Zeller, Kaminsky) that all need minutes. This isnt even taking into consideration the lack of defense, athleticism, weakness defending the p&r, defending in space, that potential frontline has. So what's the alternative? Trading Olynyk while his value (poor play) is low? Trading Sullinger while his value (injury) is low?

How are you coming  up with the conclusion kaminsky has a shorter wingspan than wcs?

I already explained that he is capable to bend his elbows, have the ball behind his head to dunk with two hands. Unless you got a very good leaping ability ,you cant do that with a short wingspan

We wont know his official wingspan measurements until the combine

[KGs Knee]

I would take a flier on him, potentially with the Clippers pick (if he is available and we don't draft a center with our own pick).

I'm not enamored with him, from what I have seen, but he should have a decent NBA career as a solid backup center at worst though.

[Eddie20]

I'm not convinced on Kaminsky yet. Haven't watched his tourney games yet but my big concern is how he'll do against length.

He is intriguing but I can't work out what his NBA ceiling is....

Is he Andrea Bargnani, Tyler Hansborough or Pau Gasol?
Very unique/high upside talent that can shoot and play any position.

Then try watch some games first.  He did well vs Okafor earlier this season also

He is a legit 7'0 ft tall pf/c.  7'1-7'2 wingspan(or longer).  When he dunks can bend his elbows, have the ball behind his head before dunking(it's not like he can jump very high either). Something KO nor Dakari Johnson can do

And i would say is closer to Pau Gasol skill wise/shot blocking capabilities

You keep posting these wingspan numbers on Kaminsky, but where are you getting it from? For comparison, Cauley-Stein and Towns who are much longer than Kaminsky, have wingspans of 7-2 and 7-3.

Estimates found online(writers)

We wont know officially until the combine. But its not shorter than 7 ft.  And how do you know its not as long as wcs. Wcs may have a longer wingspan than 7'2 also.

Not sure why you dislike kaminsky so much

Can you provide links to the writers (plural) that suggest Kaminsky's wingspan is "7-1, 7-2, or longer"? I find that to be an extremely bold and inaccurate statement.

WCS and Town's measurements were from
UK's pro day.

I don't dislike Kaminsky, but take pause when I see you constantly overrate him simply because he puts up numbers versus opposition that is usually younger and smaller than he is. Drafting him would also limit the minutes we'd be able to distribute between 4 players (Sullinger, Olynyk, Zeller, Kaminsky) that all need minutes. This isnt even taking into consideration the lack of defense, athleticism, weakness defending the p&r, defending in space, that potential frontline has. So what's the alternative? Trading Olynyk while his value (poor play) is low? Trading Sullinger while his value (injury) is low?

How are you coming  up with the conclusion kaminsky has a shorter wingspan than wcs?

I already explained that he is capable to bend his elbows, have the ball behind his head to dunk with two hands. Unless you got a very good leaping ability ,you cant do that with a short wingspan

We wont know his official wingspan measurements until the combine

Pretty obvious, no? I mean Tommy probably has a longer wingspan that Gorman, but we don't know exactly either.

Let's say Kaminsky has a 7-2 wingspan for the sake of argument. He averages 0.5 blocks per game more than Olynyk (6-10 wingspan) did in approximately 6 mpg more. So would you agree then that he is an extremely awful shot blocker, especially considering his "great length"? Blocks is one stat that definitely translates on the next level.

[Tr1boy]

I'm not convinced on Kaminsky yet. Haven't watched his tourney games yet but my big concern is how he'll do against length.

He is intriguing but I can't work out what his NBA ceiling is....

Is he Andrea Bargnani, Tyler Hansborough or Pau Gasol?
Very unique/high upside talent that can shoot and play any position.

Then try watch some games first.  He did well vs Okafor earlier this season also

He is a legit 7'0 ft tall pf/c.  7'1-7'2 wingspan(or longer).  When he dunks can bend his elbows, have the ball behind his head before dunking(it's not like he can jump very high either). Something KO nor Dakari Johnson can do

And i would say is closer to Pau Gasol skill wise/shot blocking capabilities

You keep posting these wingspan numbers on Kaminsky, but where are you getting it from? For comparison, Cauley-Stein and Towns who are much longer than Kaminsky, have wingspans of 7-2 and 7-3.

Estimates found online(writers)

We wont know officially until the combine. But its not shorter than 7 ft.  And how do you know its not as long as wcs. Wcs may have a longer wingspan than 7'2 also.

Not sure why you dislike kaminsky so much

Can you provide links to the writers (plural) that suggest Kaminsky's wingspan is "7-1, 7-2, or longer"? I find that to be an extremely bold and inaccurate statement.

WCS and Town's measurements were from
UK's pro day.

I don't dislike Kaminsky, but take pause when I see you constantly overrate him simply because he puts up numbers versus opposition that is usually younger and smaller than he is. Drafting him would also limit the minutes we'd be able to distribute between 4 players (Sullinger, Olynyk, Zeller, Kaminsky) that all need minutes. This isnt even taking into consideration the lack of defense, athleticism, weakness defending the p&r, defending in space, that potential frontline has. So what's the alternative? Trading Olynyk while his value (poor play) is low? Trading Sullinger while his value (injury) is low?

How are you coming  up with the conclusion kaminsky has a shorter wingspan than wcs?

I already explained that he is capable to bend his elbows, have the ball behind his head to dunk with two hands. Unless you got a very good leaping ability ,you cant do that with a short wingspan

We wont know his official wingspan measurements until the combine

Pretty obvious, no? I mean Tommy probably has a longer wingspan that Gorman, but we don't know exactly either.

Let's say Kaminsky has a 7-2 wingspan for the sake of argument. He averages 0.5 blocks per game more than Olynyk (6-10 wingspan) did in approximately 6 mpg more. So would you agree then that he is an extremely awful shot blocker, especially considering his "great length"? Blocks is one stat that definitely translates on the next level.

Kaminsky also had a 7 and 6 block games this season.  The most KO did in one game in his last year in college was 3.   

Kaminsky probably has altered or bothered many more shots than KO was able to

Kaminsky is not going to be a shot blocking machine in the nba but I bet he will bother/alter more shots than KO and even Zeller